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mhm, i just think that csms kick but in general

Tyranic Marta wrote:mhm, i just think that csms kick but in general

They can't do that,we have Orks(who's gods will play with Chaos Gods) and Nids.
Then we have Emperor,my favorite ending is that Star Child stomps everything.

You guys are talking tabletop wise, lore wise is a pretty different story, short of exterminatus an ork world typically stays an ork world. They reproduce too fast an numerous to wipe off the planet.

Kill a space marine (csm or not) how long does it take to train a marine back to that level?

Kill an Ork it takes less than a year before 12 more sprout from it's death ready and able to rip out throats.
Orks all day erry day

And yes Gork and Mork would probably slaughter the Chaos Gods if it ever came down to them fighting.

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:You guys are talking tabletop wise, lore wise is a pretty different story, short of exterminatus an ork world typically stays an ork world. They reproduce too fast an numerous to wipe off the planet.

Kill a space marine (csm or not) how long does it take to train a marine back to that level?

Kill an Ork it takes less than a year before 12 more sprout from it's death ready and able to rip out throats.
Orks all day erry day

And yes Gork and Mork would probably slaughter the Chaos Gods if it ever came down to them fighting.

I was talking about fluff,I never include game mechanics and I've provided evidence.
Necrons are better than Orks(especially on Naval level,you have no idea how Necron stats are nerfed in BFG).

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

And yes Gork and Mork would probably slaughter the Chaos Gods if it ever came down to them fighting.

Seriously? no...just no. are gork and mork even real gods? arent the orks just bio weapons created by the old ones? and even if they do exist, the chaos gods can make their followers sprout tentacles and drag whole worlds screaming into the warp, what have gork and mork ever done?

even in the fluff the orks get trounced one on one by just about everyone. they have poor quality troops, inferior tech, and zero discipline. the orks would overrun the galaxy by sheer weight of numbers IF they united and thats a gigantic if as in not going to happen. its like pointing out that cockroaches would dominate the world after a nuclear war, its possible but at the same time completely improbable.

I have to agree that the crons are the pound for pound heaviest hitters ironically this means that they will fall the same way the have in the past, the other races realize they are the biggest threat and briefly unite to rolfstomp them.

my moneys still on chaos

Maledictus wrote:

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

And yes Gork and Mork would probably slaughter the Chaos Gods if it ever came down to them fighting.

Seriously? no...just no. are gork and mork even real gods? arent the orks just bio weapons created by the old ones? and even if they do exist, the chaos gods can make their followers sprout tentacles and drag whole worlds screaming into the warp, what have gork and mork ever done?

even in the fluff the orks get trounced one on one by just about everyone. they have poor quality troops, inferior tech, and zero discipline. the orks would overrun the galaxy by sheer weight of numbers IF they united and thats a gigantic if as in not going to happen. its like pointing out that cockroaches would dominate the world after a nuclear war, its possible but at the same time completely improbable.

I have to agree that the crons are the pound for pound heaviest hitters ironically this means that they will fall the same way the have in the past, the other races realize they are the biggest threat and briefly unite to rolfstomp them.

my moneys still on chaos

They are real gods,Orks are possibly the biggest race in the galaxy.
Necrons can't be really roflstomped by physical means,current forces are just raiders not full indicative of their power,current races would never unite.Only way to defeat Necrons is to use psychic powers.

IvanTih wrote:

Maledictus wrote:

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:

And yes Gork and Mork would probably slaughter the Chaos Gods if it ever came down to them fighting.

Seriously? no...just no. are gork and mork even real gods? arent the orks just bio weapons created by the old ones? and even if they do exist, the chaos gods can make their followers sprout tentacles and drag whole worlds screaming into the warp, what have gork and mork ever done?

even in the fluff the orks get trounced one on one by just about everyone. they have poor quality troops, inferior tech, and zero discipline. the orks would overrun the galaxy by sheer weight of numbers IF they united and thats a gigantic if as in not going to happen. its like pointing out that cockroaches would dominate the world after a nuclear war, its possible but at the same time completely improbable.

I have to agree that the crons are the pound for pound heaviest hitters ironically this means that they will fall the same way the have in the past, the other races realize they are the biggest threat and briefly unite to rolfstomp them.

my moneys still on chaos

They are real gods,Orks are possibly the biggest race in the galaxy.
Necrons can't be really roflstomped by physical means,current forces are just raiders not full indicative of their power,current races would never unite.Only way to defeat Necrons is to use psychic powers.

phychic powers....chaos...erm cough cough.

the chaos gods are the most powerful psychic entities out there hands down. and again if gork and mork are so powerful why don't the manifest themselves in any meaningful way? if they do exist (you're right, they do http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gork_and_Mork) then my theory is either that they are aspects of khorne (unlikely) or that they are to unfocused/poorly realized as a result of the orks primitive mentality to be effective in the physical universe (possible).

@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

I havnt read the books, and i am basing my ideas, purely on personal likes and experience, sorry if im not pro enough to read the books

IvanTih wrote:@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

The emp is a contender sure, but there are four chaos gods. even if the big e does die and come back as a god its still four on one.

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

The emp is a contender sure, but there are four chaos gods. even if the big e does die and come back as a god its still four on one.

The material states when the Emperor awakenes the Chaos gets stomped(Xenology implies that Star Child fluff is still vaild).

But he wont wake up cause hes so close to death its not funny, they cant keep him alive and when he does die slaanesh will eat his soul


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+ dead emporor

IvanTih wrote:

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

The emp is a contender sure, but there are four chaos gods. even if the big e does die and come back as a god its still four on one.

The material states when the Emperor awakenes the Chaos gets stomped(Xenology implies that Star Child fluff is still vaild).

I'm pretty sure that it states that he wakes up and butts heads with chaos not that he wins. that would be like ruining the ending of the proverbial 40k novel. also unless i'm mistaken, and i may well be, the sensei/star child fluff was retconned out of existence some time ago. so yeah, where does the "material" state that the emp wins?

It has to be orks. I mean, you just cannot kill them all.

Hell, even if they run out if tech (unlikely) they just go feral, like on Armageddon.

And let's face it, the more feral an ork gets, the more cunning they get (ambush tactics, booby traps, the whole Snikrot thing)

S_P

I think it's obvious who I'm rooting for.

Just wait for a few years while we get some of our fancy schmancy tech pulled out of the soil, and then you'll see why Necrons once were the terror of the galaxy.

but in the apocalypse necron fluff it says that necrons dont consider the current armies fighting them to be enough of a threat to raise the epic stuff they have, which means that necrons are gonna have to wait awhile to get that stuff.... lolz

Tyranic Marta wrote:but in the apocalypse necron fluff it says that necrons dont consider the current armies fighting them to be enough of a threat to raise the epic stuff they have, which means that necrons are gonna have to wait awhile to get that stuff.... lolz

Okay, so we've got a bit of hubris.

mhm

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

The emp is a contender sure, but there are four chaos gods. even if the big e does die and come back as a god its still four on one.

The material states when the Emperor awakenes the Chaos gets stomped(Xenology implies that Star Child fluff is still vaild).

I'm pretty sure that it states that he wakes up and butts heads with chaos not that he wins. that would be like ruining the ending of the proverbial 40k novel. also unless i'm mistaken, and i may well be, the sensei/star child fluff was retconned out of existence some time ago. so yeah, where does the "material" state that the emp wins?

Xenology implies that the fluff is still vaild and I have the book.

Im going to be devils advocate and say that implied fluff is just that implied, you cant argue on the basis of something that isnt written down plain

From the Ork codex: "Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other Gods with a raucous laugh."

Yes Gork and Mork are Gods. Gods that have the unwavering worship by the most numerous race in the galaxy.

K

Orks should come to necrons and fight. Necrons gain power. Orks are happy with fighting and C'tan are pleased. Necrons build a whole lot of monoliths and take it to the nids. Nids dead, now the galaxy can get back to fighting as usual. All eldar and dark eldar given to the necrons to keep c'tan happy. Tau fights IOM and while this is happening necrons decide to decimate IOM. That also ends chaos. Finally everything is simple again and we can get back to battling.

firefight232 wrote:Orks should come to necrons and fight. Necrons gain power. Orks are happy with fighting and C'tan are pleased. Necrons build a whole lot of monoliths and take it to the nids. Nids dead, now the galaxy can get back to fighting as usual. All eldar and dark eldar given to the necrons to keep c'tan happy. Tau fights IOM and while this is happening necrons decide to decimate IOM. That also ends chaos. Finally everything is simple again and we can get back to battling.

so so wrong.

IvanTih wrote:

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Maledictus wrote:

IvanTih wrote:@Maledictus
You forget the Emperor,the First Lord of Change said that when the Emperor dies "the real war begins".
He also limits their powers on the material world.

The emp is a contender sure, but there are four chaos gods. even if the big e does die and come back as a god its still four on one.

The material states when the Emperor awakenes the Chaos gets stomped(Xenology implies that Star Child fluff is still vaild).

I'm pretty sure that it states that he wakes up and butts heads with chaos not that he wins. that would be like ruining the ending of the proverbial 40k novel. also unless i'm mistaken, and i may well be, the sensei/star child fluff was retconned out of existence some time ago. so yeah, where does the "material" state that the emp wins?

Xenology implies that the fluff is still vaild and I have the book.

What page number is that? i just realized that my next door neighbor owns it as well.

I think if it comes down to it necrons would outlast the others. You really can't fail with the c'tan on your side. The c'tan will probably find the hive fleets yummy and gobble up the nids.

Also if necrons are robots and the c'tan control them. If you kill the c'tan do the necrons also die. Can you even kill the c'tan? Maybe the emperor or like the chaos gods or gork and mork or something like that.

firefight232 wrote:I think if it comes down to it necrons would outlast the others. You really can't fail with the c'tan on your side. The c'tan will probably find the hive fleets yummy and gobble up the nids.

Also if necrons are robots and the c'tan control them. If you kill the c'tan do the necrons also die. Can you even kill the c'tan? Maybe the emperor or like the chaos gods or gork and mork or something like that.

-.- No. Just no. You need to read more of this place to find out why so many people hate the necrons. They cannot win.

There is one huge flaw in the C'tan logic, they are vulnerable to psychic attacks. Tyranids have no sense of fear, meaning they won't become disorganized by their presence, and the hive mind would overwelm them with psychic creatures.

so simple its scary, good bye necrons, ok i thin we can happily extingush them from the argument, excellent, 1 down 6 to go


BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

The weakness of the chaos gods is that tyranids kill their source of power and the hivemind represses the warp. As the tyranids gain ground, chaos loses ground.