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Arakasi wrote:Mmmm... Chaos Knights. I really should be more excited for the Orks though...

It’s ok to be excited by the Chaos knights, I know I am! 2nd Edition boxset Orks are pretty hard to get excited about

MegaDave wrote:Are those the old battlemasters chaos knights?!

They are indeed MegaDave. Just them and the archers to finish the Chaos element of my BattleMasters collection

mcmattila wrote:Those High Elf shields came out really nicely! I should also try out mold-making and casting at some point...

Thanks mcmatilla, they’re not too shabby a replacement. The process is a bit laborious and time consuming but the results are pretty decent once you get the hang of it... I’ll let you know when I do!

Don Qui Hotep wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
I'm glad to see that you decided to eschew the inexplicable swastika armband that was present on the official version of the model
Oh dear. I'm really not sure what they were thinking back then!

Possibly not as inexplicable as you might think!
I would hazard a guess that maybe it was a further subtle poke at Margaret Thacher (who old Ghazy is named in honour of), who was the Prime Minister of England back when what would eventually become GW was just starting to coalesce. And depending on who ask, she was either very good for England and did great things, or was very bad and in the eyes of some, on par with Hitler himself.

Further point of interest, it's not actually a Nazi swastika, which all face clock-wise. This once is more likely a Manji, given it's thickness and the that it faces counter clock-wise.
I don't think even GW would have been that outright ballsy in calling out old Maggie as a Nazi.

That's me, learned! Thanks for the details. I am never sure whether or not to believe whether Thrakka was named after Thatcher, the only official word was a former exec denying it but granted that was probably a PR move. I don't think that Warhammer 40k has any particular social analysis built in, all the critique is quite explicit: here's a binary choice between anarchy and fascism, aren't they both pretty bad? I feel like in the early days everything was a little bit tongue-in-cheek, with the orks getting a lot of bandwidth for comedy in particular.

 gobert wrote:

Don QuiHotep wrote:Nice to see the original Ghazkhul! That's a fun model. I'm glad to see that you decided to eschew the inexplicable swastika armband that was present on the official version of the model:

Spoiler:

Oh dear. I'm really not sure what they were thinking back then!

Excited to see what kind of frankenork conversions you've got coming up.

I hadn’t really spotted the swastika on the studio banner, but Maggie linkages to Thrakka aside I doubt there was a malicious intent. As Snrub pointed out it’s a left facing swastika, whereas the nazis used a right facing one. Sadly the franken-Orks are just the 2nd Ed boyz with later boyz’ arms.

Agreed, I hope that my original post is read in an ironic tone - I'm not accusing anyone at GW of malicious intent, I was just genuinely surprised at a choice made back in the day that feels very different in our modern context.


Back on topic, I am excited for those Chaos Knights! Your desk is looking cluttered with potential. It's nice to have a few different projects to rotate through to keep a sense of variety.

No worries, Don Qui Hotep. It’s been good seeing conversation pop up in my plog. I too learned a few bits from Snrub’s post. I think a lack of variety is what led to me stopping the hobby previously, so I’m keen to switch things up.

Sadly no pics to share but I’ve got the Orks ready for painting and set my last shoulder pad icon to cast last night. My next hobby evening will be to sort them out, trimming excess GS and then filling any gaps. If I’m feeling brave I’ll maybe try to fix one that’s missing a finger! I did a bit more on Pious Vorne, starting on the flames. My girls were doing some painting and crafting in the garden so I thought I’d join them. It was rather lovely enjoying hobby time with them!

Great stuff - that Ambull is a particularly sweet choice of colors and techniques - really works.

I have a soft spot for the old plastic goffs - I did all sorts of conversions with them back when I didn't have many other figures - used a lot of hot glue and cardboard. The good old days!

gobert,

Orks are coming along. Nothing like recovering old models or parts of old models to make playable ones.

Cheers,

CB

kestral wrote:Great stuff - that Ambull is a particularly sweet choice of colors and techniques - really works.

I have a soft spot for the old plastic goffs - I did all sorts of conversions with them back when I didn't have many other figures - used a lot of hot glue and cardboard. The good old days!

Thanks kestrel, the Ambull was a cool mini to paint and I think she came out well (for me at least!). Your Orks sound interesting, I’ve not been brave enough to get the hot glue gun out on mine... that could be because I still have a scar from one from high school!

Captain Brown wrote:gobert,

Orks are coming along. Nothing like recovering old models or parts of old models to make playable ones.

Cheers,

CB

Thanks Captain Brown, the Orks have been pretty fun as most of my stuff recently had been minimal changes from standard. Looking forward to getting some paint on them some time!

Speaking of paint, I made some decent progress on Pious Vorne tonight. Her flames are about half way through, and all of the rest of her colours are blocked in ready for washes.

Sorry for the blurry pic, it’s late and I’m tired. Plus she’s quite hard to photograph with such a busy background.

I had hoped to finally get my Terminators ready for priming, but this glue is gak! I think I’ve finally gotten all of the icons so stick to the shoulder pads, and mostly the right position. My aim to fill gaps in the circle around the fists won’t happen until next time, but I think most of the fists are pretty neat.

Anyways, time for bed. Thanks for looking!

Flames looking good so far. Really loving the colour scheme - there's something super sci fi and grimdarky about the cool/warm contrast.

Robes still look great underneath that big toasted sandwich maker!

I'm looking forward to more orks too - 2e orks are best orks. I agree it's a bit amazing how well the new arms fit onto the old bodies - pleasant surprise!

Yah, flames are nice. That's some good progress!

Nice start on the flames! That's something where I still have to find the right recipe. Might I inquire how you do yours?

PV is looking good and fanatical. That weapon is awesome.

Flame effects are coming out really well! Excited to see how they develop. Thinking of trying some OSL? I have a video I could recommend.

Pious Vorne is looking great, the fire is particularly impressive. I need to get around to painting my BSF set one day.

 Snrub wrote:

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
I'm glad to see that you decided to eschew the inexplicable swastika armband that was present on the official version of the model
Oh dear. I'm really not sure what they were thinking back then!

Possibly not as inexplicable as you might think!
I would hazard a guess that maybe it was a further subtle poke at Margaret Thacher (who old Ghazy is named in honour of), who was the Prime Minister of England back when what would eventually become GW was just starting to coalesce. And depending on who ask, she was either very good for England and did great things, or was very bad and in the eyes of some, on par with Hitler himself.

Further point of interest, it's not actually a Nazi swastika, which all face clock-wise. This once is more likely a Manji, given it's thickness and the that it faces counter clock-wise.
I don't think even GW would have been that outright ballsy in calling out old Maggie as a Nazi.

Hey wait! So my Doberman Tank commander based on Magie's PR stunt in a challenger isn't even the first Thatcher joke in the 40k world!?
Outrage! At least I didn't give him a Nazi armband I suppose.

Press moulding looks to have worked well, should look great all painted up. Pious Vorne is coming on nicely too

It’s so great to see those old Goffs getting some love! Looking forward to seeing what’s next.

tzurk wrote:Flames looking good so far. Really loving the colour scheme - there's something super sci fi and grimdarky about the cool/warm contrast.

Robes still look great underneath that big toasted sandwich maker!

I'm looking forward to more orks too - 2e orks are best orks. I agree it's a bit amazing how well the new arms fit onto the old bodies - pleasant surprise!

Cheers tzurk, Pious is about as grim dark as they come, so I wanted something nice and fanatical. I envisaged the only light she sees is from her flames, so will be giving her nice pale skintones. Fancied a really dark metallic look for her armour too, may do a few sharp highlights in places, not sure.

MegaDave wrote:Yah, flames are nice. That's some good progress!

Thanks MegaDave, hoping to get her finished tonight.

Viterbi wrote:Nice start on the flames! That's something where I still have to find the right recipe. Might I inquire how you do yours?

I’m afraid I can’t claim the recipe as my own, and it takes a long time compared to some of the speed painting that I’ve been doing recently. The recipe is from Darren Latham’s YouTube Flames tutorial. I’m only part way through the Darren Latham Flames tutorial, but as he’s apparently taking his videos down I’ve written up the recipe in the spoiler

youwashock wrote:PV is looking good and fanatical. That weapon is awesome.

I know, nothing says grimdark fanatic better than a flamethrower with a built in Chainsword

Don Qui Hotep wrote:Flame effects are coming out really well! Excited to see how they develop. Thinking of trying some OSL? I have a video I could recommend.

I hadn’t planned on OSL, but I might now you’ve mentioned it. I’ll see how brave I’m feeling!

mould2k wrote:Pious Vorne is looking great, the fire is particularly impressive. I need to get around to painting my BSF set one day.

I’ve loved painting my BSF set mould2k. The whole kit is great, it’s a shame they seem to be bringing it to a close with Ascension (from today’s online preview).

theCrowe wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
I'm glad to see that you decided to eschew the inexplicable swastika armband that was present on the official version of the model
Oh dear. I'm really not sure what they were thinking back then!

Possibly not as inexplicable as you might think!
I would hazard a guess that maybe it was a further subtle poke at Margaret Thacher (who old Ghazy is named in honour of), who was the Prime Minister of England back when what would eventually become GW was just starting to coalesce. And depending on who ask, she was either very good for England and did great things, or was very bad and in the eyes of some, on par with Hitler himself.

Further point of interest, it's not actually a Nazi swastika, which all face clock-wise. This once is more likely a Manji, given it's thickness and the that it faces counter clock-wise.
I don't think even GW would have been that outright ballsy in calling out old Maggie as a Nazi.

Hey wait! So my Doberman Tank commander based on Magie's PR stunt in a challenger isn't even the first Thatcher joke in the 40k world!?
Outrage! At least I didn't give him a Nazi armband I suppose.

Sorry if the guys pointed out a previous Maggie reference. Your Doberman was great though!

Maharg wrote:Press moulding looks to have worked well, should look great all painted up. Pious Vorne is coming on nicely too

Yeah, some of the shoulder pad icons were a bit ropey but should be salvageable. The shields are great though, need to paint some up to see how they look properly

The Riddle of Steel wrote:It’s so great to see those old Goffs getting some love! Looking forward to seeing what’s next.

Thanks The Riddle of Steel, the Grots were so much fun I decided to go in for more monopose action! Mixed it up a bit with the new arms tho!

No updates just yet, but will be sitting at my desk shortly to hopefully finish Pious

Pious vorne's looking great! Flames are always a lot of fun to paint i think

 amazingturtles wrote:
Pious vorne's looking great! Flames are always a lot of fun to paint i think

Thanks turtles, they’ve been really fun to paint, the tutorial is excellent. Amazingly I think she looks better in the pics too!

As hoped for I managed to finish Pious Vorne this evening and I’m really chuffed with how she’s turned out. The flames are definitely the focal point of the mini and I’m really glad I spent more time on them than I normally would. Darrens tutorial was great, I don’t think my flames look anywhere near as good as his, but they’re better than id have managed on my own. My main problem was getting the thinned paint to behave in the same way his does. Mine seemed to dry out as I applied it, whereas his seems to stay wet for ages. He says he uses water and I tried water and airbrush thinner. The water behaves better but still not the same, maybe Nottingham water is softer/better than Bristol’s?

Post flames I also highlighted up her parchments and armour. First bringing back the black/boltgun metal mix away from the recesses, then edge highlights of pure boltgun metal finished off with corner highlights of mithril silver. I like the effect it’s given, nice and dark as you’d expect of a flamethrower wielding soot covered fanatic. It’s much closer to a real gunmetal than standard boltgun metal too. I then highlighted the rivets on her gloves with boltgun metal, amazingly I managed to do it quite neatly too!

So here’s some pics;




I think that last pic shows the flame at its best angle. There’s a couple more in the gallery but they’re pretty similar to the head on shot. Oh and I forgot that I’d added the hazard stripes to the Chainsword part of her lovely weapon!

I also made some more progress with Janus and Espern. Blocking out all of their colours apart from the throw rug on Janus’ shoulders. Espern is usually some with lots of gold, but I figured silver would go better with the red and blue.

I can’t decide what to do with Esperns filigree on his/her armour. I’m currently torn between using a blue shade and highlighting back to silver, or using nuln to share and going gold on the filigree. What do you guys think?

Thanks for looking!

Excellent flames and hazard stripes! You spent way more time than my lazy butt would on the flames, and it certainly shows.

I vote for gold on the filigree.

Those are excellent flames, even better than before! They almost look like they're glowing in some of the shots, and I think you've got every right to be proud of them

I vote for gold too, make him look fancy!

I'm intreegued to see the blue back to silver option but I like the gold aquila on the silver... hat? A gold filigree on silver armour would work really well. Sorry that's not much help at all really. I guess I can see your problem.

Excellent work on those flames. Glad you didn't go OSL. You see some pretty ropey OSL sometimes and it's a shame. It's obviously very very hard to do well, I certainly have never had any success with it. But there's nothing worse than seeing a cracking good paint job ruined by a lot of heavy flamey highlights.

Great stuff on Vorne, I think she is sone of your best work yet. The flames and hazard stripes really help draw the eye to the miniature.

Gold on the filigree for me.

The flames look really awesome!
Don't worry too much about getting the exact same results from a tutorial. You did a great job.
I always think of them more like guidelines to figure out what works for me and to get some ideas.

Good work on the metallics and the hazard stripes too.

Looking forward to see Janus and Espem finished.

MegaDave wrote:Excellent flames and hazard stripes! You spent way more time than my lazy butt would on the flames, and it certainly shows.

I vote for gold on the filigree.

Thanks MegaDave, it’s probably the longest I’ve spent on a small part of a mini to date. Pretty pleased with the Hazard Stripes too.
Gold 1-0 Blue

amazingturtles wrote:Those are excellent flames, even better than before! They almost look like they're glowing in some of the shots, and I think you've got every right to be proud of them

I vote for gold too, make him look fancy!

Thank you amazingturtles, I think the auto-adjust in the gallery helped the glow effect. I’m not convinced it looks that good irl, not often photos enhance a mini, so I’ll take that win!
Gold 2-0 Blue

theCrowe wrote:I'm intreegued to see the blue back to silver option but I like the gold aquila on the silver... hat? A gold filigree on silver armour would work really well. Sorry that's not much help at all really. I guess I can see your problem.

Excellent work on those flames. Glad you didn't go OSL. You see some pretty ropey OSL sometimes and it's a shame. It's obviously very very hard to do well, I certainly have never had any success with it. But there's nothing worse than seeing a cracking good paint job ruined by a lot of heavy flamey highlights.

Thanks theCrowe, I wasn't brave enough with the OSL and was worried I’d ruin the effect. There’ll be more chances for OSL I’m sure.
Gold 3-1 Blue (can’t have half points in football!)

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:Great stuff on Vorne, I think she is sone of your best work yet. The flames and hazard stripes really help draw the eye to the miniature.

Gold on the filigree for me.

Thanks ListenToMeWarriors, I’m pretty certain she’s my best mini to date! The stark contrast to her armour and the flames gives her a nice presence I think.
Gold 4-1 Blue

Ezki wrote:The flames look really awesome!
Don't worry too much about getting the exact same results from a tutorial. You did a great job.
I always think of them more like guidelines to figure out what works for me and to get some ideas.

Good work on the metallics and the hazard stripes too.

Looking forward to see Janus and Espem finished.

Thanks Ezki, I agree the best tutorials guide you to a system that works for you. I probably wouldn’t have done so many different layers on the flames without it. That’s what really paid off and the tips on how the heat intensity affects the colour.

So at Full Time it’s a resounding victory for Gold. I think you guys are right that he needs some bling (theCrowe, check out my Elves’ helmets for a version of what I had envisioned for the blue. I got some Nuln Oil washes applied to Espern and Janus tonight. So far it’s really brought out how nicely detailed they are.


Janus also got his cloak and hair/tash blocked out too


They both need some bits of Agrax Earthshade and Janus some Seraphim Sepia too, so that’ll probably be a quick pass once the kids are asleep tomorrow and Tuesday. I’ll probably highlight Espern’s armour back up to silver before I attack the filigree with some gold. There’s quite a bit which should keep me busy for a while!

Thanks for looking!

You're probbably right to go gold. I'll bow to the majority. Just one thing though. Is there a tiny bit of blue cloak showing just at Espern's neck on one side that needs to be blue? Come to think of it, moving off the metals in that whole area would be good to allow for the mask/armour/solid bits to feel like there's some potential for movement in there.

I really should get me some nuln oil. It looks the business.

This batch of minis is really letting you flex your painting muscles. PV looks awesome. Between the stripes and the flames it has great bells n' whistles. The other two are shaping up to match. Is it too late to vote for gold?

Thanks for the info on the flame, I'm afraid I wouldn't even have all the colors to attempt it And great work on Vorne, your flames really pop! Navigator and RT are coming along nicely, those two are the home stretch, aren't they?

theCrowe wrote:You're probbably right to go gold. I'll bow to the majority. Just one thing though. Is there a tiny bit of blue cloak showing just at Espern's neck on one side that needs to be blue? Come to think of it, moving off the metals in that whole area would be good to allow for the mask/armour/solid bits to feel like there's some potential for movement in there.

I really should get me some nuln oil. It looks the business.

Hmmm, I think that it might be some fabric there, it’s gonna be a to get to. Maybe you’re right to look at it being his under suit? I’ll have a think. You should definitely get some nuln oil and Agrax Earthshade, they’re the business!

youwashock wrote:This batch of minis is really letting you flex your painting muscles. PV looks awesome. Between the stripes and the flames it has great bells n' whistles. The other two are shaping up to match. Is it too late to vote for gold?

Thanks youwashock, painting modern minis helps for sure, but trying other people’s techniques has been fun.
Gold 5-1 Blue (the ref missed counting a goal)

Viterbi wrote:Thanks for the info on the flame, I'm afraid I wouldn't even have all the colors to attempt it And great work on Vorne, your flames really pop! Navigator and RT are coming along nicely, those two are the home stretch, aren't they?

I reckon you could miss the odd step or mix any intermediate colours. Give it a go, what’s the worst that could happen! These 2 are my last from the main boxset, though I do have Escalation sat waiting for building and painting

Not much to report this evening, just Sepia and Agrax washes to get them ready for layering. Now theCrowe has pointed out some missed cloth I might need to redo Esperns face mask.

Oh and I put some Agrax Earthshade on the ancient Ork Boyz whilst I had it out.

I also got some modelling putty in the post to hopefully help neaten up the shoulder pad icons on the terminators. Will give that a try one evening this week to find out.

Thanks for looking comment and pointers welcome!

I like the face mask on the Esper guy, creepy and otherworldly.

gobert,

The washes are definitely adding depth to the models.

Cheers,

CB

I'm looking forward to the impending class photo for the BSF crew. Strange to hear the game is coming to a close. They produced some great models for it. Will you be picking up the larger drones?

It's been busy since I was last here!

Pious Vorne looks great. Always good to stretch yourself and learn new things - we all are - and the flames came out well. I think you did a good job of the hazard stripes too.

Espern and Janus are coming along nicely. Was the choice between doing the the filigree blue, or tinting the silver armour blue and doing the filigree silver? A silver trim on any colour tends to look good, the reverse would be unusual, but possible. But if you are keeping the silver armour, then I'd have to go with the gold filigree too...