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All sm chapters are the same, but which is the powerful in terms of ire power numbers, librarians ect. And of course why?

Black Templars are massively over-strength by Codex standard. It doesn't matter as much, though, because their forces are spread so widely across the Imperium.

Probably the ultramarines. Most known chapter.

The Ultramarines.

The Grey Knights.

Better training per member, all are psykers, better equipment to a man, Draigo, etc.

The Vlka Fenryka of course

My chapter is the most powerful. You know which one - the one I play.

The weakest chapter? The one you play, of course.

Black Templars and Space Wolves.

In an influence sort of way the Ultramarines are by far the most powerful.

Calgar effectively has most Ultramarine successor chapters on speed-dial.

He is probably the most influential Space Marine in the Imperium.

To OP: Not all SM Chapters are all the same. it depends on what kind of specific power you're talking about. Here's what I believe though:

Most populous single chapter: Black Templars
Most powerful chapter per marine: Grey Knights
Most influential chapter: Ultramarines

Grey Knights without a doubt.

Ultramarines if you go by story alone (must be good if all other marines wish they were Ultramarines).
Black Templar if you go by common sense.
Grey Knights if you go by a mix of the two heavily leaning towards the first.

ElectricPaladin wrote:My chapter is the most powerful. You know which one - the one I play.

The weakest chapter? The one you play, of course.

What if they play your chapter as well?

Grey Knights, no contest.
No Chapter ( even Black Tempalrs ) can't go on them 1 on 1 and win, not a chance.

Void__Dragon wrote:The Grey Knights.

Better training per member, all are psykers, better equipment to a man, Draigo, etc.

Draigos dead. Power armor is power armor. And every other chapter outnumbers them, since they only have 666 members. Unless ward changed that.

Have to say the Smurfs, only chapter with a empire.

Brother Coa wrote:Grey Knights, no contest.
No Chapter ( even Black Tempalrs ) can't go on them 1 on 1 and win, not a chance.

But the Black Templars would be going 10 on 1 with them. I don't care how good GKs are, they're not that good!

In terms of what they could field as an entire chapter the BT's would wipe the floor with everyone.

If we're talking in terms of influence then its the Ultramarines.

Grey Knights would be one of the most powerful. Any Chapter with the backing of the Inquisition would be very powerful. Crimson Fists maybe, they work close with the Inquisition.

The Minotaurs Chapter are supposed to have close ties to the High Lords of Terra themselves.

Then you have powerful because of numbers like the Templars and Wolves, which has been said before.

And powerful because of influence like Chapters of the first Founding.

Castiel wrote:
But the Black Templars would be going 10 on 1 with them. I don't care how good GKs are, they're not that good!

Believe me - they are.And your ratio is wrong: it would be 6 to 1.

Brother Coa wrote:

Castiel wrote:
But the Black Templars would be going 10 on 1 with them. I don't care how good GKs are, they're not that good!

Believe me - they are.And your ratio is wrong: it would be 6 to 1.

My ration is right: 666 Grey Knights vs 6000ish Black Templars. That's about 10:1 wouldn't you say?

And if you take of the fanboy specs then you';ll realise that the Grey Knights are not equal to 10 other Space Marines. The sheer volume of firepower and numbers in combat would drag them down.

Castiel wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Castiel wrote:
But the Black Templars would be going 10 on 1 with them. I don't care how good GKs are, they're not that good!

Believe me - they are.And your ratio is wrong: it would be 6 to 1.

My ration is right: 666 Grey Knights vs 6000ish Black Templars. That's about 10:1 wouldn't you say?

And if you take of the fanboy specs then you';ll realise that the Grey Knights are not equal to 10 other Space Marines. The sheer volume of firepower and numbers in combat would drag them down.

Just ran those numbers through my super computer. It took a while but in the end, yes 6000:666 is about 10:1. Still working on the exact ratio.

Snark aside its closer to 9:1

Castiel wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Castiel wrote:
But the Black Templars would be going 10 on 1 with them. I don't care how good GKs are, they're not that good!

Believe me - they are.And your ratio is wrong: it would be 6 to 1.

My ration is right: 666 Grey Knights vs 6000ish Black Templars. That's about 10:1 wouldn't you say?

And if you take of the fanboy specs then you';ll realise that the Grey Knights are not equal to 10 other Space Marines. The sheer volume of firepower and numbers in combat would drag them down.

Isn't 666 the number of the Chapter and not the number in the Chapter? I thought the Grey Knights were a full chapter?

Castiel wrote:
My ration is right: 666 Grey Knights vs 6000ish Black Templars. That's about 10:1 wouldn't you say?

And if you take of the fanboy specs then you';ll realise that the Grey Knights are not equal to 10 other Space Marines. The sheer volume of firepower and numbers in combat would drag them down.

Uh..... there are 1000 Grey Knights ( GK Codex page 7 ).
And if a squad of Terminator Grey Knights survived orbital bombardment directly on them then they woudl have no problem in slaying hundreds of Astartes.
Grey Knights also have better equipment, better training and are all psykers. Plus they have demigods liek Draigo and Stern to lead them.
I am not a GK fan boy, I am Imperial fan boy. And I can say for sure that no Space Marine Chapter can stand against Grey Knights 1 on 1.

If we are talking about numbers then Ultramarines win big time, Space Marine codex say that on Calgars call every Chapter that have it's geneseed from Ultramarines will come to assist. And according to old info that is around 3/5 of existing Chapters ( 600.000 Space Marines ).
Go luck fighting Ultramrines and all their decedents.

Brother Coa wrote:
Uh..... there are 1000 Grey Knights ( GK Codex page 7 ).
And if a squad of Terminator Grey Knights survived orbital bombardment directly on them then they woudl have no problem in slaying hundreds of Astartes.
Grey Knights also have better equipment, better training and are all psykers. Plus they have demigods liek Draigo and Stern to lead them.
I am not a GK fan boy, I am Imperial fan boy. And I can say for sure that no Space Marine Chapter can stand against Grey Knights 1 on 1.

If we are talking about numbers then Ultramarines win big time, Space Marine codex say that on Calgars call every Chapter that have it's geneseed from Ultramarines will come to assist. And according to old info that is around 3/5 of existing Chapters ( 600.000 Space Marines ).
Go luck fighting Ultramrines and all their decedents.

GK have 1000 marines? ObliviousBlueCaboose was wrong earlier then. 6:1 it is then. As for Draigo and Stern? Meet Helbrecht and Grimaldus. I still think, fluff armour aside, that the BT's weight of numbers would win it.

And your right about the Ultramarines winning it, like I said above, their influence probably makes them the single most powerful SM chapter!

I would have to go with Castiel. The grey knights may be powerful but to have a 6 to 1 ratio, the odds really are stacked against them. Especially considering they are fighting over zealous religious fanatics (even more so than your average SM).

One thing to keep in mind when talking about chapter vs chapter is that this really is SW's home turf as they were the and are still known as the emperors executioners and still retain their anti power armour heavy arsenal as far as I know. They also house more marines than an average chapter but still nowhere near the numbers that the BT field.

OP, the power question really depends on what kind of power you are talking about.

Yeah bro you should seriously specify on the particular type of power you mean, political? psychic power? numbers? fleet?

I thought they weren't sure on the number of the Black Templar and it was merely an estimation, there could be even more out there.

The Ultramarines have a lot of power and influence - First Founding, a realm of their own, Second Founding chapters and descendants that respond if called... But they also like to stay in their own backyard.

Blood Angels are a First Founding, they have one of if not the most respected Chapter Master in the Imperium, and their Second Foundings can often be counted on to respond too. And as Dante sees all the Imperium as his responsibility the BA have fought on countless worlds, gathering a great deal of good will... somewhat diluted by the excesses of some of their inheritors, ofc.

Black Templars like to (re)conquer worlds for the Imperium and have several crusade fleets out there - they surely have a lot of pull if they start reminding the High Lords of Terra about this. And seeing how they're a Second Founding of the Imperial Fists, the defenders of Terra... it's a powerful and well-respected block of chapters.

Space Wolves are powerful for sure, but their disregard for the Codex and their independent nature also cuts into their political influence.

They aren't sure of numbers, only Helbrecht can say for sure, but they reackon that there's around 6000. Could even be >9000

I agree that the Black Templars outnumber the Ultramarines, without a doubt, but I'm pretty sure that more than enough Marines from successor Chapters would show up to even the score if Calgar so much as made a burp that sounded like 'help.' Hell, they'd also be besieged by Chapters who had Calgar, since it woud give them a chance to show the Ultramarines up.

I have to go with Ultramarines. Sigh.

In terms of quality of each marine, Grey Knights

In terms of numbers of their own chapter, Black Templar or Space Wolves

In terms of own numbers + calling on descendants, Ultramarines or Blood Angels (think the Assault on Baal)

CrashCanuck wrote:In terms of quality of each marine, Grey Knights

In terms of numbers of their own chapter, Black Templar or Space Wolves

In terms of own numbers + calling on descendants, Ultramarines or Blood Angels (think the Assault on Baal)

Exactly what I'm saying!