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2022/05/16 18:10:02
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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I picked five. Plus I'm going to paint some Lunar Wolves too.
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2022/05/16 18:39:49
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: White Scars
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Powerful Ushbati
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No One Important wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
Honestly trickling out updates of specialized units into plastic could be a great way to keep updating the game without just adding books or units, but I'm sure someone will tell me why it's bad.
1) They're more marine releases.
2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
3) They're out of scale anyway as they're too big. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
4) They're out of scale anyway as they're too small. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
Who says HH stuff needs to be useable in both games? I'd prefer they keep them segregated personally, HH is the more serious and adult version of the game now with all the Tonka truck looking toys in the #New40K line.
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2022/05/16 19:08:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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2022/05/16 19:22:22
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Powerful Ushbati
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"there aren’t currently any such plans for the Legion-specific units or Primarchs."
Yeah, that's totally a nail in the coffin.
A. There are plans, I guarantee you it has been discussed, analyzed and mathed out in terms of both cost, risk and reward.
B. Whether or not it comes to fruition is entirely dependent on how the second edition of the game does, how it's received and what the player base askes GW for in any future surveys or emails.
For now, we have a pretty good idea of what we are getting. But what comes next (and I absolutely know something will come in the form of a second wave) is something we will just have to wait for.
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2022/05/16 19:28:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Any future waves will tackle everything and anything that would belong in a generic Legion list prior to any unique units. Stormeagles, Mk2/5, Deredeo dreads, units using the Spartan chassis, units using the Sicaran chassis, Breachers, Dreadclaws, the list goes on before we would get close to Legion specifics.
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2022/05/16 19:40:06
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Powerful Ushbati
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Gert wrote:Any future waves will tackle everything and anything that would belong in a generic Legion list prior to any unique units. Stormeagles, Mk2/5, Deredeo dreads, units using the Spartan chassis, units using the Sicaran chassis, Breachers, Dreadclaws, the list goes on before we would get close to Legion specifics.
More than likely. Also we have three more Thursdays for new unit reveals including this week before the possible earliest preorder date, so I'd expect to see more stuff. Not going to lie, Stormeagles would be sick!
But I will die on the hill that if they see profit in releasing specific characters, primarchs or units, they will absolutely do it.
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2022/05/16 19:42:31
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Well yeah there'd be money in it. But not as much money as generic stuff, plus FW is hardly making a loss when it sells specialist items and the character models are far better than GW.
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2022/05/16 19:54:06
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Powerful Ushbati
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Gert wrote:Well yeah there'd be money in it. But not as much money as generic stuff, plus FW is hardly making a loss when it sells specialist items and the character models are far better than GW. Having the Generic stuff will be good. Hoping for a lot more to come. But, respectfully I think that [second part] is a matter of opinion. The plastic 40K guilliman looks much, much better than the Resin one. I'd much rather have them in plastic for ease of access. Many, many people do not collect the resin models because they simply do not wish to fight with Resin. That equates to a lot of lost sales.
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2022/05/16 20:11:01
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: White Scars
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Agreed. Also, 30Ks and 40Ks background is far too absurd to be taken seriousely all the time. I mean, White Scars, Space Wolves, Nightlords and others are clearly joke factions so why would you present them dead-seriously? Primarch Iron Hand with his Iron Hands from the Iron Hands legion? Yeah...
He should have had an Iron Neck.
HEYOOOOO
I'll see myself out
(iron hands are my legion so it's okay for me to make fun of primarch iron hand with his iron hands from the iron hands legion)
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2022/05/16 20:18:08
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: White Scars
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Togusa wrote:
Who says HH stuff needs to be useable in both games? I'd prefer they keep them segregated personally, HH is the more serious and adult version of the game now with all the Tonka truck looking toys in the #New40K line.
Ferrus Manus eats sand. I think HH is just as silly, it's just buried under a LOT of bolter porn.
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2022/05/16 20:22:43
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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I mean we're getting the unique space wolf and 1k son characters in plastic, and Imperial fists and blood angels got those black library weekend minis. So we're seeing a liiitle bit of plastic characters. I'd not be TOO suprised to see GW foillow that up with more Heresy characters on the BL weekends.
as for the tone of the article, it feels to me they're just trying to have some fun. I imagine writing constant "THIS FACTION IS AWESOME" posts with complete seriousness gets boring over time.
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2022/05/16 20:34:08
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Who has suffered more than us?
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2022/05/16 20:43:10
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hm.... three weeks....
maybe a third Praetor, while the two known are Set only?
Close Combat Weapons, Terminator Weapons, Assault Marines, the Leviathan and the Predator would be nice but whe have possible only three weeks remaining for previews. Maybe we will see Legion specific expansion sets with shoulder pads and other stuff.
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2022/05/16 20:46:16
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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These articles are something alright.
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2022/05/16 21:06:00
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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blood reaper wrote:The desperation for positivity and endless optimism on this place about everything and anything is almost as bad as reddit. Yeah, god forbid those of us that watched this place turn into a cesspool of negativity over the past 20 years look for any slight amount of the reverse.
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2022/05/16 21:30:53
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Platuan4th wrote: blood reaper wrote:The desperation for positivity and endless optimism on this place about everything and anything is almost as bad as reddit.
Yeah, god forbid those of us that watched this place turn into a cesspool of negativity over the past 20 years look for any slight amount of the reverse.
I personally don't understand this war between positivity and negativity.
People that want to complain about a release will point to someone that likes the release and go "UGH, POSITIVITY!!!"
Someone that doesn't quite like the style GW is going with on a model will get dogpiled on by "UGH, NEGATIVITY!!!"
It's called having a different opinion. God forbid we leave it at that.
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2022/05/16 21:38:13
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Strangest thing about it is that the people who don't like a certain thing bear no ill will towards the people that do like it, generally they're just expressing their dislike. The people that do like the thing though - they find this expression quite distressing. Actually it's probably not strange at all and just some sort of basic psychology - the people that liek the thing feel that they're being attacked, because at that moment, in their mind the thing is a proxy for them, the person that likes the thing.
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2022/05/16 22:05:30
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Plastic Stormeagle... of Fire Raptor. Now that'd be interesting.
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2022/05/16 22:17:19
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Powerful Ushbati
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BrianDavion wrote:I mean we're getting the unique space wolf and 1k son characters in plastic, and Imperial fists and blood angels got those black library weekend minis. So we're seeing a liiitle bit of plastic characters. I'd not be TOO suprised to see GW foillow that up with more Heresy characters on the BL weekends.
as for the tone of the article, it feels to me they're just trying to have some fun. I imagine writing constant "THIS FACTION IS AWESOME" posts with complete seriousness gets boring over time.
For sure, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of them and I hadn't thought of the Black Library celebration weekends as being a good release point for such things. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Plastic Stormeagle... of Fire Raptor. Now that'd be interesting.
I'm not familiar with their resin kits, but could they be combined into a dual build kit easily? They're very pretty airships.
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2022/05/16 22:45:36
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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JWBS wrote:Strangest thing about it is that the people who don't like a certain thing bear no ill will towards the people that do like it, generally they're just expressing their dislike. The people that do like the thing though - they find this expression quite distressing. Actually it's probably not strange at all and just some sort of basic psychology - the people that liek the thing feel that they're being attacked, because at that moment, in their mind the thing is a proxy for them, the person that likes the thing.
Ah yes, because the 20 years of accusations of white knighting when people aren't on board the negativity train never happened.
I have no issues with people not liking things, I do have some issues with the endless hyperbole about how everything is ruined forever everytime James Workshop breathes through his left nostril.
I admit I try to give GW some rope to hang themselves with when it comes to releases but it's because I've been burned by them in the past by getting too hyped, but I've also been pleasantly suprised so instead I withhold fully forming a position until I've seen the actual rules and the full release. I get that some people don't like this since I've been lamblasted for saying "wait for the codex" because the community has been left in the dark about details in the past which has left us looking a bit silly and reactionary but I've given up on telling people to wait and see.
Honestly I like it when GW lets the old school tongue in cheek show through even if some people can't stop taking a setting with heretical load bearing walls too seriously. To me part of the appeal of the setting is how ridiculous things are (flying churches through space, drop churches, a missile firing church organ mounted on top of a tank just to name some quick examples) presented like they're completely normal and you're the odd one for not seeing it as normal.
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2022/05/16 22:53:36
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Platuan4th wrote: blood reaper wrote:The desperation for positivity and endless optimism on this place about everything and anything is almost as bad as reddit.
Yeah, god forbid those of us that watched this place turn into a cesspool of negativity over the past 20 years look for any slight amount of the reverse.
But fighting negativity with negativity (i.e., "I don't like this", "you're a tryhard for not liking this!") does not make a place more positive, it just makes it more negative.
If we want a more positive environment, the answer is to just reply to "I don't like this" with "Too bad, I do like it", then at most each side can expound on the aspects they do or don't like and since taste is subjective it just eventually ends once the analysis is exhausted and people just accept what they do and don't like.
It's when we get into the attacks on character on why people do / don't like something that things turn into a cesspool of negativity (and I say that acknowledging that I've likely said things that people have taken as attacks on their character even if I didn't intend them as such but maybe worded them carelessly).
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2022/05/16 23:23:34
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Mr_Rose wrote:Who writes these articles? Who do that think they are writing them for?
Me I guess! I enjoyed it! Funny article, cool pictures, what's not to like?
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2022/05/16 23:24:22
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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This is for the best. By all accounts they were absolute nightmares to put together.
Togusa wrote:... but could they be combined into a dual build kit easily? They're very pretty airships.
I believe they could. I think it'd be great. And 1000x easier to build!
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2022/05/16 23:33:00
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: White Scars
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Pious Palatine
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Togusa wrote:No One Important wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Is there anything wrong with each Legion getting a signature unit?
Like, say, for World Eaters you could get their Red Butcher Terminators. For White Scars the Ebon Keshig. Dark Angels the Deathwing Companions. Ultramarines the Invictarus Suzerain. Alpha Legion Lernaean Terminators. Emperor's Children Kakophoni. Iron Hands Tyrant Siege Terminators. Night Lord Raptors.
And on on.
I realise that there are a lot of Terminators in the above list. Maybe as additional sprues for existing squads?
Honestly trickling out updates of specialized units into plastic could be a great way to keep updating the game without just adding books or units, but I'm sure someone will tell me why it's bad.
1) They're more marine releases.
2) They're firstborn releases, so not even relevant for most players because they're being squatted and everyone prefers Primaris proportions.
3) They're out of scale anyway as they're too big. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
4) They're out of scale anyway as they're too small. They won't match up with the rest of the models in that army.
5) They're firstborn marine releases that only one army can use. And the 40k version of that army. And Deathwatch players. Or anyone with a DIY chapter with similar iconography. And anyone capable of owning a file or craft knife.
Who says HH stuff needs to be useable in both games? I'd prefer they keep them segregated personally, HH is the more serious and adult version of the game now with all the Tonka truck looking toys in the #New40K line.
yeah 'serious'. Dude, just because you pay 200 dollars more for your rectangle of resin doesn't make it 'mature' or 'adult' especially considering HH marines are still running around with those ridiculous little chicken legs.
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2022/05/17 01:41:16
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Thinking of Joining a Davinite Loge
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Platuan4th wrote: blood reaper wrote:The desperation for positivity and endless optimism on this place about everything and anything is almost as bad as reddit.
Yeah, god forbid those of us that watched this place turn into a cesspool of negativity over the past 20 years look for any slight amount of the reverse.
Agreed. This forum is still entertaining though - it's generally the same 20 people that comment on everything telling you why something is poo poo.
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2022/05/17 01:55:00
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Dakka Veteran
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H.B.M.C. wrote:This is for the best. By all accounts they were absolute nightmares to put together.
Togusa wrote:... but could they be combined into a dual build kit easily? They're very pretty airships.
I believe they could. I think it'd be great. And 1000x easier to build!
the fire raptor was one of the worst kits i have ever built. so much warping.
amazing model though.
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2022/05/17 02:24:04
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Does anyone know what the standard number of models for a 30K army is? I’ve heard that it is more than 40k, and mostly consists of tactical marines. I stopped playing 40k a few years ago, but 30k has (cautiously) piqued my interest. It seems like the larger troop boxes would be inline with larger armies overall.
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2022/05/17 03:13:39
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Fixture of Dakka
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cpugeek13 wrote:Does anyone know what the standard number of models for a 30K army is? I’ve heard that it is more than 40k, and mostly consists of tactical marines. I stopped playing 40k a few years ago, but 30k has (cautiously) piqued my interest. It seems like the larger troop boxes would be inline with larger armies overall.
Eh it can depend entirely on what sort of list you want to run. It's very easy to get massive footslogger lists in 30k which can run near 100 infantry in a 2k list. But then if you craft a somewhat sensible list, then you're likely to find you'll have a number of infantry to a similar sized 40k game, as a lot of the points end up being sunk in expensive tanks/flyers/primarchs.
I imagine it would depend somewhat on the local meta somewhat too. In my area at any rate, unless playing ZM which normally runs 750-1250 points, games tend to start around the 2-2.5k points mark and average out at about 3-3.5k points. Then on top of that if you're playing to a specific Rite of War that will likely influence what you take. Pride of the Legion lists tend to run 20-30 terminators or may 40ish power armoured vets. Armour lists will be lower troops, maybe 20ish, but more tanks. One local guy like to cram in 6 fire raptors and feth all else into a list. (shockingly, people don't like playing him too much. )
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2022/05/17 06:52:02
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Togusa wrote:The plastic 40K guilliman looks much, much better than the Resin one.
Well, there's a sentence I never thought I'd read...
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2022/05/17 07:28:06
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Plastic Sicaran Reveal + Legion Focus: Space Wolves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Would be funny when they basecoat the Imperial Fist Marine with Leadbelcher like the Emperors Children for the painting guide today...
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