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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Spoiler:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So the non-codex marine chapters are supplements, but the Chaos monogod Legions are still separate codices?

Thousand Sons can't work as a supplement since they can't take most of the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, like Chaos Space Marines. Or, anything with flesh that isn't a Sorcerer. Heck, even excluding named characters and daemons, there are more units in that Codex they can't take than units that they can.

That was intentional though. The restrictions for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons are arbitrary just like the ones that were done for the Loyalist Angels and Wolves for the longest time.

for DG you could arguably have a point, but for 1k Sons the lore pretty much supports that

Well it worked fine giving them access to everything before. Why the arbitrary change to pretend they're a different army? Did Thousand Sons one day just stop using Warpsmiths fix their garbage and nobody maintains their engines that was blessed by Tzeentch? Did they lose all Jump Pack dudes from the Heresy just because?

Yeah no. I don't buy that, and quite frankly neither should you.

The last time they had access to everything was in Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. Since the introduction of Ahriman in 2nd edition the whole legion was just sorcerers and Rubrics. When they got their specific army list in Codex 3.5 they couldn't take bikes, Raptors or Havocs (and neither Obliterators) and all characters, chosen and possessed were sorcerors.

You're like 25 years too late.

Did you forget about 4th-7th and how it didn't break anything?

You're confusing Tzeentch worshipping Marines with Thousand Sons. You can still play the first with Codex: CSM like in the last editions. I still remember people moaning about those codices while praising 3.5, even if it was full of restrictions for the legions - especially the Thousand Sons.

The people praising 3.5 have rose tinted glasses that have blocked out that it was a terribly written codex to begin with. Oh and with the Legion supplement from 7th there was no issues.

So, butter to the fishes: what entries from Codex: CSM do you miss in Codex: TS? The normal CSM are Rubrics, all of them. Warpsmith and Dark Apostle? No sorcerers (and they can use Dark Mechanicus allies to fix their stuff - there were codices without Warpsmith/Techmarines at all)). Obliterators and Mutilators? No Rubrics. Possessed? That was the reason for the Rubric spell. Bikes and Raptors? Can you imagine Rubrics driving bikes or even flying through the air?

Sure, there're tzeentchian normal CSM, Havocs etc., but they're not part of the legion.

You'd have a point if Helbrutes weren't a thing and someone didn't need to pilot their vehicles.

It is at least hinted in the Codex that the vehicles drive through their enslaved machine spirits. The Helbrutes have a funny explaination...

Voss wrote:
I think someone just mistook the Bladeguard sergeant for another LT with volkite and shield, like the one in Indomitus.

Its just a mistake.

The good news is that one can use that kit to make an LT with minimal effort.

I didn't even know there was a preview happening before youtube recommended me the "moar Primaris!!1one" video. Those kits are a lot more interesting than the dumb, err, dune buggy and turret.

I still can't decide what chapter my Indomitus marines are going to be. I like the idea of a Crimson Fists force and Blood Angels were the prominent chapter of my first WD (when the Fire Prism came out), but the crusader-y models look so regal in UM colours. Sigh.

 Overread wrote:
Aye, wraiths never vanished, they just changed in to these

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Necron-Canoptek-Wraiths-2018

Oh noes!

ERJAK wrote:
It's not even 2 to 1. In fact, if you don't count repackaging of units we already have, Necrons win by 1 kit.

What's the time window you are using for reaching this number ?
I'm sure with the right window we can get to 10 to 1. Likely 20 to 1. Could we reach 30 to 1? Maybe, we'd have to check lol.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I didn't even know there was a preview happening before youtube recommended me the "moar Primaris!!1one" video. Those kits are a lot more interesting than the dumb, err, dune buggy and turret.

I still can't decide what chapter my Indomitus marines are going to be. I like the idea of a Crimson Fists force and Blood Angels were the prominent chapter of my first WD (when the Fire Prism came out), but the crusader-y models look so regal in UM colours. Sigh.

Well salamanders is the rage atm.

tneva82 wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I didn't even know there was a preview happening before youtube recommended me the "moar Primaris!!1one" video. Those kits are a lot more interesting than the dumb, err, dune buggy and turret.

I still can't decide what chapter my Indomitus marines are going to be. I like the idea of a Crimson Fists force and Blood Angels were the prominent chapter of my first WD (when the Fire Prism came out), but the crusader-y models look so regal in UM colours. Sigh.

Well salamanders is the rage atm.

lame bandwagon donkey-caves.

gotta chase that dragon

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So the non-codex marine chapters are supplements, but the Chaos monogod Legions are still separate codices?

Thousand Sons can't work as a supplement since they can't take most of the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, like Chaos Space Marines. Or, anything with flesh that isn't a Sorcerer. Heck, even excluding named characters and daemons, there are more units in that Codex they can't take than units that they can.

That was intentional though. The restrictions for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons are arbitrary just like the ones that were done for the Loyalist Angels and Wolves for the longest time.

for DG you could arguably have a point, but for 1k Sons the lore pretty much supports that

Well it worked fine giving them access to everything before. Why the arbitrary change to pretend they're a different army? Did Thousand Sons one day just stop using Warpsmiths fix their garbage and nobody maintains their engines that was blessed by Tzeentch? Did they lose all Jump Pack dudes from the Heresy just because?

Yeah no. I don't buy that, and quite frankly neither should you.

The last time they had access to everything was in Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. Since the introduction of Ahriman in 2nd edition the whole legion was just sorcerers and Rubrics. When they got their specific army list in Codex 3.5 they couldn't take bikes, Raptors or Havocs (and neither Obliterators) and all characters, chosen and possessed were sorcerors.

You're like 25 years too late.

Did you forget about 4th-7th and how it didn't break anything?

You're confusing Tzeentch worshipping Marines with Thousand Sons. You can still play the first with Codex: CSM like in the last editions. I still remember people moaning about those codices while praising 3.5, even if it was full of restrictions for the legions - especially the Thousand Sons.

The Thousand Sons army list from Wrath of Magnus is the entire Chaos Marine Codex(minus non-Tzeentch Cults) plus Tzaangor, Magnus, Exalteds, and Scarab Occult.

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

A lot of it is forced. I can't believe that many people really act this way. Surely they know that more armies are coming in the pipe. You cannot release 120 model kits in 6 months for 5 different factions. People. Need. To. Calm. Down.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Spoiler:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So the non-codex marine chapters are supplements, but the Chaos monogod Legions are still separate codices?

Thousand Sons can't work as a supplement since they can't take most of the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, like Chaos Space Marines. Or, anything with flesh that isn't a Sorcerer. Heck, even excluding named characters and daemons, there are more units in that Codex they can't take than units that they can.

That was intentional though. The restrictions for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons are arbitrary just like the ones that were done for the Loyalist Angels and Wolves for the longest time.

for DG you could arguably have a point, but for 1k Sons the lore pretty much supports that

Well it worked fine giving them access to everything before. Why the arbitrary change to pretend they're a different army? Did Thousand Sons one day just stop using Warpsmiths fix their garbage and nobody maintains their engines that was blessed by Tzeentch? Did they lose all Jump Pack dudes from the Heresy just because?

Yeah no. I don't buy that, and quite frankly neither should you.

The last time they had access to everything was in Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. Since the introduction of Ahriman in 2nd edition the whole legion was just sorcerers and Rubrics. When they got their specific army list in Codex 3.5 they couldn't take bikes, Raptors or Havocs (and neither Obliterators) and all characters, chosen and possessed were sorcerors.

You're like 25 years too late.

Did you forget about 4th-7th and how it didn't break anything?

You're confusing Tzeentch worshipping Marines with Thousand Sons. You can still play the first with Codex: CSM like in the last editions. I still remember people moaning about those codices while praising 3.5, even if it was full of restrictions for the legions - especially the Thousand Sons.

The Thousand Sons army list from Wrath of Magnus is the entire Chaos Marine Codex(minus non-Tzeentch Cults) plus Tzaangor, Magnus, Exalteds, and Scarab Occult.

The book also shows the forces of the Thousand Sons in graphics and the detachments - it's the same they got in their codex later. The actual 'army list' being CSM++? Well... GW...

Hum, okay. I tried to hide the discussion between me and Slayer with spoilers to avoid the mods, but it's really OT I guess. Maybe we found some consent, maybe not. It's fine.

 Togusa wrote:
Surely they know that more armies are coming in the pipe.

Surely. I mean, let's not take any lesson from last time there was a big marine release ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Kick the ball, Charlie Brown .

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Spoiler:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So the non-codex marine chapters are supplements, but the Chaos monogod Legions are still separate codices?

Thousand Sons can't work as a supplement since they can't take most of the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, like Chaos Space Marines. Or, anything with flesh that isn't a Sorcerer. Heck, even excluding named characters and daemons, there are more units in that Codex they can't take than units that they can.

That was intentional though. The restrictions for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons are arbitrary just like the ones that were done for the Loyalist Angels and Wolves for the longest time.

for DG you could arguably have a point, but for 1k Sons the lore pretty much supports that

Well it worked fine giving them access to everything before. Why the arbitrary change to pretend they're a different army? Did Thousand Sons one day just stop using Warpsmiths fix their garbage and nobody maintains their engines that was blessed by Tzeentch? Did they lose all Jump Pack dudes from the Heresy just because?

Yeah no. I don't buy that, and quite frankly neither should you.

The last time they had access to everything was in Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. Since the introduction of Ahriman in 2nd edition the whole legion was just sorcerers and Rubrics. When they got their specific army list in Codex 3.5 they couldn't take bikes, Raptors or Havocs (and neither Obliterators) and all characters, chosen and possessed were sorcerors.

You're like 25 years too late.

Did you forget about 4th-7th and how it didn't break anything?

You're confusing Tzeentch worshipping Marines with Thousand Sons. You can still play the first with Codex: CSM like in the last editions. I still remember people moaning about those codices while praising 3.5, even if it was full of restrictions for the legions - especially the Thousand Sons.

The people praising 3.5 have rose tinted glasses that have blocked out that it was a terribly written codex to begin with. Oh and with the Legion supplement from 7th there was no issues.

So, butter to the fishes: what entries from Codex: CSM do you miss in Codex: TS? The normal CSM are Rubrics, all of them. Warpsmith and Dark Apostle? No sorcerers (and they can use Dark Mechanicus allies to fix their stuff - there were codices without Warpsmith/Techmarines at all)). Obliterators and Mutilators? No Rubrics. Possessed? That was the reason for the Rubric spell. Bikes and Raptors? Can you imagine Rubrics driving bikes or even flying through the air?

Sure, there're tzeentchian normal CSM, Havocs etc., but they're not part of the legion.

You'd have a point if Helbrutes weren't a thing and someone didn't need to pilot their vehicles.

It is at least hinted in the Codex that the vehicles drive through their enslaved machine spirits. The Helbrutes have a funny explaination...

Spoiler:

They're inviting other renegades to learn from them only to put them in their Helbrutes instead.

Hinted =/= Explanation, and the Helbrutes still benefit from Thousand Sons rules despite not being Thousand Sons in your definition.

 Togusa wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

A lot of it is forced. I can't believe that many people really act this way. Surely they know that more armies are coming in the pipe. You cannot release 120 model kits in 6 months for 5 different factions. People. Need. To. Calm. Down.

C:SM 2020 will be just 2 shy of triple digit codex entries... Currently With supplements and snowflake different coloured marines units we were well past triple digits.. Did.. They..really... need.. more... ?

In a few weeks we will get the look at the codexes and we can finally see how those necrons model suck in comparison to marine units on the table and I wont have to read any more "just wait.. WAIT.. wait and see its not how bad it is. YOU DONT KNOW THE RULES YET!!"

Then in another 6 months we will get more marines because why would we ever not.. And people will still say well there was those necrons back then.. Remebr the necrons ? you guys got necrons.. Remember jain zar and banshees from last year? I member you got those..

Nobody cares anymore lol.
Its just dumb at this point.. with this constant vomiting of power armour+buffs and covid my 40k community has migrated to other stuff like AOS or FOM conquest and WHFB. Our club was finally opened for a couple weeks so I thought I would dip into 9th.. I couldn't get a game of 40k coz people lost all interest in 9th.

But yeah. Sure.. There certainly aint a problem because some necrons got released.. How could I not consider that fixesEVERYTHING

From Codex Thousand Sons:

As such, Sorcerers weave complex schemes to bait Chaos Space Marines of other Legions into their cabals. These foreign warriors are promised powers beyond imagining and mastery over the vast array of knowledge the Thousand Sons have harvested. They are given tutelage in the ways of the psyker – or so they believe. In truth, each trial they undertake is another step in the ritualistic binding of their soul to the Helbrute’s machinery. The surges of power felt by the hopeful supplicant are in fact the first twitches of warp-connectivity between their mutating neurons and the arcane servo-relays of the Chaos walker. Only when the ritual is beyond reversing does the victim become aware of their inescapable fate.

It's a bit more than a 'hint', so we can get back on topic.

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

I'd be SHOCKED if he was only Abaddon priced given he looks to be on a big diorama. I'd be betting he'll be more akin to the triumph of st katherine

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

I'd be SHOCKED if he was only Abaddon priced given he looks to be on a big diorama. I'd be betting he'll be more akin to the triumph of st katherine

Which is also abadabadab priced, as in it dabs on your wallet.
Isn't he bigger then Katherine ?

What are we looking at then 60£ -80£ depending on how nuts GW is at the time?

Silent King? Got to be around £100, surely? Dude is massive!

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

I'd be SHOCKED if he was only Abaddon priced given he looks to be on a big diorama. I'd be betting he'll be more akin to the triumph of st katherine

Agree. The silent king model isn't gulliman/abbadon/thrakka tier, he is daemon primarch tier.

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

I'd be SHOCKED if he was only Abaddon priced given he looks to be on a big diorama. I'd be betting he'll be more akin to the triumph of st katherine

Which is also abadabadab priced, as in it dabs on your wallet.
Isn't he bigger then Katherine ?

What are we looking at then 60£ -80£ depending on how nuts GW is at the time?

Triumph of st kat is 65 british pounds. I'd be guessing on that

$170(going off of Teclis new models pricing)

Racerguy180 wrote:
$170(going off of Teclis new models pricing)

ouch pricy, but yeah, between 130-170 bucks basicly

He'll be the same price as Teclis, or that +5%.

 Togusa wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

A lot of it is forced. I can't believe that many people really act this way. Surely they know that more armies are coming in the pipe. You cannot release 120 model kits in 6 months for 5 different factions. People. Need. To. Calm. Down.

Yea more marines are coming. Il you think necron release is common you are pipe dreaming. Most will get book　and mavbe one hq. Marines meanwhile will keep getting tons of releases. Keep the cashcow milking


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 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

New sku's keep getting price　hikes so likely yes.

Probably closer to 80-85, I bet they'll price him like the cow for Luminieth.

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Will be interesting to see if Necrons and Marines see the price inflation that Lumineth seemed to get

I dread the price of the upcoming Monolith model.

I rekon the Silent king to be Abbadabadab, priced. So allready out of whack.

I'd be SHOCKED if he was only Abaddon priced given he looks to be on a big diorama. I'd be betting he'll be more akin to the triumph of st katherine

Which is also abadabadab priced, as in it dabs on your wallet.
Isn't he bigger then Katherine ?

What are we looking at then 60£ -80£ depending on how nuts GW is at the time?

Triumph of st kat is 65 british pounds. I'd be guessing on that

i think lumineth cow is more likely, that is going to hurt ...but it is bloody awesome, but still going to hurt.

I would expect bit more than cow. You can only one silent king. No such restriction on cow

tneva82 wrote:
I would expect bit more than cow. You can only one silent king. No such restriction on cow

isn't the cow HQ aswell?
Allbeit, if it indeed also get's the HQ slot slap of 20£ more for no reason then F y consumer, then yeah we get rather fast into the 90-100 bracket...

I'd expect the Monolith to be in the £50-70 bracket whilst the Silent King to be in the £100 region. Not only is the Silent King big, but, as noted, he's a hero character most will only buy once. Monoliths and such can be bought multiple times so that can push their price down.

The new Ct'an I'd say could be around the £65mark or so, perhaps up to the £70s.