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Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

For the love of God GW give me back my Corsair Prince!

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

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 Platuan4th wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So all fw units are in one book? So everyone gets to pay for rules for factions they don't play? Good to see that the pa business model continues.

Better that then four different books.

And uniting them will also simplify annual updates.

Getting rid of 100+ Datasheets does that already.

Odds on them remembering to do a FW Legends PDF for anything that doesn't make it into the Compendium?

0, considering they couldn't even release a mistake free datasheet for their preview.

Those are two very different things, though - providing limited ongoing support for units no longer on sale vs. being able to proof-read a datasheet.

Speaking of the latter, did they comment on the error during the stream, as I'd hope people caught it "live". If not, has anyone dropped them an email to see if they know if it is fixed int he book?

Not to my knowledge however on the first, when a company isn't able for pr to write a faultless datasheet i have no hope for them making a Legends sheet not even worse, especially considering the quality controll during 8th for fw indices.

I can't help but notice that the new Marine Storm Speeders are faster than the DE Raider and Ravager (you know, vehicles that traded armour to be faster even than Eldar vehicles), and even the Venom can only keep pace with them.

Because when you've neglected an NPC faction for the last decade, you might as well take the opportunity to vomit on its corpse.

 vipoid wrote:
I can't help but notice that the new Marine Storm Speeders are faster than the DE Raider and Ravager (you know, vehicles that traded armour to be faster even than Eldar vehicles), and even the Venom can only keep pace with them.

Because when you've neglected an NPC faction for the last decade, you might as well take the opportunity to vomit on its corpse.

The heavy intercessors are also better heavy troops then nid warriors.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So the non-codex marine chapters are supplements, but the Chaos monogod Legions are still separate codices?

Thousand Sons can't work as a supplement since they can't take most of the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, like Chaos Space Marines. Or, anything with flesh that isn't a Sorcerer. Heck, even excluding named characters and daemons, there are more units in that Codex they can't take than units that they can.

That was intentional though. The restrictions for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons are arbitrary just like the ones that were done for the Loyalist Angels and Wolves for the longest time.

for DG you could arguably have a point, but for 1k Sons the lore pretty much supports that

Well it worked fine giving them access to everything before. Why the arbitrary change to pretend they're a different army? Did Thousand Sons one day just stop using Warpsmiths fix their garbage and nobody maintains their engines that was blessed by Tzeentch? Did they lose all Jump Pack dudes from the Heresy just because?

Yeah no. I don't buy that, and quite frankly neither should you.


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I can't help but notice that the new Marine Storm Speeders are faster than the DE Raider and Ravager (you know, vehicles that traded armour to be faster even than Eldar vehicles), and even the Venom can only keep pace with them.

Because when you've neglected an NPC faction for the last decade, you might as well take the opportunity to vomit on its corpse.

The heavy intercessors are also better heavy troops then nid warriors.

Warriors weren't that good either to be fair, so does that comparison REALLY apply?

I saw some cool model releases yesterday.

Of course I logged onto Dakka today and got salt poisoning. What else did I expect?

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

Oooh good point!

My only beef is we're getting nothing but power armour until next year.

Those new Devastators really are something to see, amirite?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

Oooh good point!

My only beef is we're getting nothing but power armour until next year.

And the Necrons.

I’m on the side of better to just get them out the way. And we are promised Necron levels of attention for the other Xenos forces. So not only clearing out Finecast (poor Craftworlders), but new units as well.

With that in mind, theres more involved project wise than adding new Marine units, as each Marine unit is added to, erm....quite a lot of sub armies.

Me? I know it’s more Power Armour, but I’m particularly hopeful to see Thousand Sons, World Eaters and Emperors Children get a proper job done on them. Chaos needs love too. After all, of Daddy had loved Angron, and Perturabo a bit more, they might never have turned!


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I’m also of the unpopular opinion that greater unit diversity in the Marines Codex is a good thing.

We know that they’ve always been the top seller, yes? I figure the more variety of choices, the more variety when playing against them.

Right now, in exceptionally broad terms? I can Gravis it up for a real attrition game. I can go First Born for nostalgia. I could go Intercessor types, or Vanguard. Start mixing those up, and there’s a lot of possible combinations.\

Now, whether or not Marine players make use of that? Different story of course.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And we are promised Necron levels of attention for the other Xenos forces. So not only clearing out Finecast (poor Craftworlders), but new units as well.
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did they actually say that in the stream?

Yup. Adam Troke said it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup. Adam Troke said it.

that's enchouraging to hear, although I'd try and adjust your expectations. but yeah Orks and Eldar def need a range refresh. 'nids.... I actually quite like most of their models. I think GW'd be better served with 'nids focusing purely on new stuff.

GW has been ramping up their production. Remember, they opened a new factory. A full refresh of all finecast isn't out of the question, and GW's marketing strategy is almost a release a week now, and they need SOMETHING new every week to make that work.

 Ketara wrote:
Those new Devastators really are something to see, amirite?

Ye gods, don't scare me like that!! Took me a second to realise it was a photochop!

I didn't actually watch the stream so I'm glad to hear other Xenos will get Necron levels of new goodies. No doubt that means they'll get new rules to go with them... so much as it might suck right now that the Marine speeder is faster than the DE vehicles, I don't expect it to stay that way.

 Ketara wrote:
Those new Devastators really are something to see, amirite?

Am I alone in thinking that they look absurd?

It speaks volumes of GW's design decisions that people see the above image and think it's real

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

Oooh good point!

OK potentially dumb question, but what happened to the original wraiths?

I always liked them, both for the Matrix look and the fairly original rules and concept. Were they taken out at some point?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It speaks volumes of GW's design decisions that people see the above image and think it's real

well, primaris desing, especially on vehicles, is a bit of MOAR DAKKA, like orks, but orks have yet to get something with that much dakka.

 vipoid wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Those new Devastators really are something to see, amirite?

Am I alone in thinking that they look absurd?

you're alone in thinking that's real

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It speaks volumes of GW's design decisions that people see the above image and think it's real

But even the non-photoshopped one just looks really silly to me.

Could Storm Speeders really not have a turret without needing to encase a Marine in it?

Also, I don't know what it is, but the pilots look like a married couple on their way to the seaside.

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

"new model releases always mean a new codex."

*Chaos Daemons players weep over their six Keeper of Secrets datasheet reprints, not one of which has been flawless and didn't require an FAQ*

I think that poster meant "new MARINE releases always require a new codex."

 vipoid wrote:

Also, I don't know what it is, but the pilots look like a married couple on their way to the seaside.

Oh my god, they DO!! It's like they're holding hands under the canopy.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

Oooh good point!

OK potentially dumb question, but what happened to the original wraiths?

I always liked them, both for the Matrix look and the fairly original rules and concept. Were they taken out at some point?

He meants the old metal models, which looked like Necron Snakemen. The modern Wraiths were refluffed and resculpted to be non-sentient drones and don't have the humanoid upper body. These new destroyers are visually very close to old Wraith sclupts.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Neat to see the original wraith figures getting a chance to be something else.

Oooh good point!

OK potentially dumb question, but what happened to the original wraiths?

I always liked them, both for the Matrix look and the fairly original rules and concept. Were they taken out at some point?

He meants the old metal models, which looked like Necron Snakemen. The modern Wraiths were refluffed and resculpted to be non-sentient drones and don't have the humanoid upper body. These new destroyers are visually very close to old Wraith sclupts.

Aye, wraiths never vanished, they just changed in to these

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Necron-Canoptek-Wraiths-2018


It was also when GW was introducing Canoptek as a thing in the game and not just a background fluffy thing. Prior to that most necron models were either scarabs or warriors with modifications (destroyers, wraithes, flayed ones etc...).

That said the Canoptek kit now in plastic is fantastic, it gets used in a LOT of conversions for Necrons (note its listed out of stock on the UK website which is likely just more reboxing going on since the way GW store is linked to its factory means that when a pack gets a new box art or contents (eg bases) then it gets a new product code which means the "old" one goes off sale and its replaced. Sometimes this takes a while to get shown on the store side.

 Super Ready wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Also, I don't know what it is, but the pilots look like a married couple on their way to the seaside.

Oh my god, they DO!! It's like they're holding hands under the canopy.

They look like a bitter boomer couple driving their bitter 35 year old son to warhammer night

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Spoiler:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So all fw units are in one book? So everyone gets to pay for rules for factions they don't play? Good to see that the pa business model continues.

Better that then four different books.

And uniting them will also simplify annual updates.

Getting rid of 100+ Datasheets does that already.

Odds on them remembering to do a FW Legends PDF for anything that doesn't make it into the Compendium?

0, considering they couldn't even release a mistake free datasheet for their preview.

Those are two very different things, though - providing limited ongoing support for units no longer on sale vs. being able to proof-read a datasheet.

Speaking of the latter, did they comment on the error during the stream, as I'd hope people caught it "live". If not, has anyone dropped them an email to see if they know if it is fixed int he book?

If we get anything, it'll be more PL only datasheets like in the FAQ PDFs.

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

And for every Necron kit, there were three Marine kits.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Spoiler:

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

And for every Necron kit, there were three Marine kits.

Hyperbole--the life-blood of Dakka.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yep as expected.. In the grim darkness of the far future there are only marines..

I hope this all means they wil just churn out all the books over the SM next 6 moths and allow people to play indomitus heresy 42k in peace for the next year while everyone keeps playing warhammer 40k 9th edition with their npc factions.

At least I have the excuse to buy cool kits from mierce over the next few months as there is nothing on offer for me.. Was contemplating starting a small Nid army as a side hustle but naaah... Id rather give my money to another company for awesome looking minis.

Imperial armour though... that's something. (Maybe the wraithseer will be not nerfed) so I'll stick around and play some games.

Did you miss the necron releases, there was like, a dozen new necron kits coming. That forum is so full of toxic negativity. Bore off.

And for every Necron kit, there were three Marine kits.

Stormspeeds
Heavy Intercessors
Eradicators
BladeGuard
Assault Intercessors
Captain
Lute-enant

Flayed ones
Cryptek 1
Cryptek 2
Ophydian Destroyers

It's not even 2 to 1. In fact, if you don't count repackaging of units we already have, Necrons win by 1 kit.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
It speaks volumes of GW's design decisions that people see the above image and think it's real

I think it says more about the person who thinks it's real tbh.