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It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

Should it? Why?

Testify wrote:Should it? Why?

They did it with 5th edition.

Also, in general some companies allow for preorders of their products.

Advance orders are usually 10 day ahead.

Thrawn2600 wrote:Advance orders are usually 10 day ahead.

Ah. Okay.

Do you think they'll do something special and have pre-orders available with different editions like 5th? Any one hear anything about that?

GW don't announce things in advance too early. Announcing a few days before release probably makes best use of what little publicity they can get.

Testify wrote:GW don't announce things in advance too early. Announcing a few days before release probably makes best use of what little publicity they can get.

Yeah... I guess that's how they're playing it nowadays... I seem to remember being able to preorder my 5th edition book with tin and counters at least a month before they were released... then again that was about 4 years ago and I could be misremembering it.

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

By "units that may become outdated" you actually mean the box set, since everything else is codex-based and won't be made obselete by the new rules.
And you can't mean the rule book since they've already removed that from sale.
So what you're complaining about is GW selling the beginner set, which offers an incredible bargain for the amount of models you get, plus some dice, plus templates/rulers, plus the mini-rule book.
Your concern for the teeny tiny rulebook is touching. It will be noted.

Testify wrote:

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

By "units that may become outdated" you actually mean the box set, since everything else is codex-based and won't be made obselete by the new rules.
And you can't mean the rule book since they've already removed that from sale.
So what you're complaining about is GW selling the beginner set, which offers an incredible bargain for the amount of models you get, plus some dice, plus templates/rulers, plus the mini-rule book.
Your concern for the teeny tiny rulebook is touching. It will be noted.

I think the word he was looking for is OBSOLETE.

I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

Testify wrote:

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

By "units that may become outdated" you actually mean the box set, since everything else is codex-based and won't be made obselete by the new rules.
And you can't mean the rule book since they've already removed that from sale.
So what you're complaining about is GW selling the beginner set, which offers an incredible bargain for the amount of models you get, plus some dice, plus templates/rulers, plus the mini-rule book.
Your concern for the teeny tiny rulebook is touching. It will be noted.

the mechanics of the game is likely going to change. Take for instance that between 4th and 5th, melee units suffered heavilly. The loss of the ability to consolidate into another melee was a huge loss, and it really opened up access to shooting units. Fleet of foot also lost out its major benefit by permitting all units to run (true, it has a nice bonus of allowing units to into melee the same turn they run....) If I take this as precedent, GW releasing advance information on the falling-out of melee units in the core rule structure, players would stop finishing any armies they have toward the melee bend. Hence, I don't expect that GW will announce to everyone that the core rulebook is available now becuase people would stop buying from GW and just wait out the release. Take for instance khorne berzerkers, they are bar none the easiest things to find online because every chaos player had stocked up on them (kill half of one unit, win melee, slaughter the remainder because of won melee, and consolidate into the next unit......) . They're still good but they lost their edge.

Then there's all the "Don't get into the game right now, because they are updating it in a few weeks/months". I'm sure that GW will love the slump in sales resulting in announcing the arrival of the new rulebook. I'm sure GW has done it's research and noticed a decline in sales leading up to a release, and a sudden boom when the release is announced. Trouble is it's just not a codex coming out with a new set of models. It's just the core rulebook that decides whether the WYSIWIG models you have now will continue to bear relevance in the game. Announce a new set of mechanics that outdates some units at the same time as a price rise, and you probably see a large number of customers walking away right there.

I just don't think it's realistic that GW, being GW, and having the behaviour it has, will provide any advance notice of the new rulebook.

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

It's pretty clear what he's saying. You're trolling, right? Being willfully ignorant? Let's all be patronising, it's so much fun.

Units will become stronger and weaker with 6th. Say they introduce a rule that allows units to assault the same turn they deep strike. Necron Flayed Ones could become very strong instead of near useless. Say they introduce a rule that means a second stunned result on a transport makes it explode. Rhinos suddenly look a lot weaker. Extreme examples, but clear enough.

By neglecting to mention a new rule set, people will still buy their rhinos now rather than wait to see if rules changes make their purchases significantly worse. Or better, as it does cut both ways.

poda_t wrote:

Testify wrote:

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

By "units that may become outdated" you actually mean the box set, since everything else is codex-based and won't be made obselete by the new rules.
And you can't mean the rule book since they've already removed that from sale.
So what you're complaining about is GW selling the beginner set, which offers an incredible bargain for the amount of models you get, plus some dice, plus templates/rulers, plus the mini-rule book.
Your concern for the teeny tiny rulebook is touching. It will be noted.

the mechanics of the game is likely going to change. Take for instance that between 4th and 5th, melee units suffered heavilly. The loss of the ability to consolidate into another melee was a huge loss, and it really opened up access to shooting units. Fleet of foot also lost out its major benefit by permitting all units to run (true, it has a nice bonus of allowing units to into melee the same turn they run....) If I take this as precedent, GW releasing advance information on the falling-out of melee units in the core rule structure, players would stop finishing any armies they have toward the melee bend. Hence, I don't expect that GW will announce to everyone that the core rulebook is available now becuase people would stop buying from GW and just wait out the release. Take for instance khorne berzerkers, they are bar none the easiest things to find online because every chaos player had stocked up on them (kill half of one unit, win melee, slaughter the remainder because of won melee, and consolidate into the next unit......) . They're still good but they lost their edge.

Then there's all the "Don't get into the game right now, because they are updating it in a few weeks/months". I'm sure that GW will love the slump in sales resulting in announcing the arrival of the new rulebook. I'm sure GW has done it's research and noticed a decline in sales leading up to a release, and a sudden boom when the release is announced. Trouble is it's just not a codex coming out with a new set of models. It's just the core rulebook that decides whether the WYSIWIG models you have now will continue to bear relevance in the game. Announce a new set of mechanics that outdates some units at the same time as a price rise, and you probably see a large number of customers walking away right there.

I just don't think it's realistic that GW, being GW, and having the behaviour it has, will provide any advance notice of the new rulebook.

I seriously doubt that's a concern at GW HQ.
For a start, you're assuming that a)the new rules will radically alter the the rules, to the extent that entire swathes of peoples' armies will become obsolete. There's little reason to believe this, since why would they cut a chunk of models out of their game?
You're also assuming that b)People don't already know the rules are coming out soon. Anyone who cares about the hobby to the extent that they would cease purchasing a certain model, will know the new rules are not far off and will hold off buying accordingly.
Also, consider the following.
I have purchased a LR for £40 (or however much it costs). Now the new rules make them open-topped, because GW are stupid and can't write rules and that's why they're so unpopular. So, my LR is now open-topped and useless. Dumb me, spend £40 on a new LR.
But, wait.
The alternative: GW announce the rules early, because they feel like it. Now I know it's coming, so I keep my £40 to buy something when the new ruleset comes out. In other words, I won't spend my money now, I'll spend it in future. It's the same money, being spent later. Minus inflation and probably price rises, so actually it's slightly less.
So yeah I think it's unlikely GW have some scheming Machiavellian plan to make gamers buy a shed load of soon-to-be-obsolete units.

I'm pretty sure GW is so out of touch with their customer base that it simply hasn't occurred to anyone to put it on preorder yet.

For a start, you're assuming that a)the new rules will radically alter the the rules, to the extent that entire swathes of peoples' armies will become obsolete. There's little reason to believe this, since why would they cut a chunk of models out of their game?

Tau, and Eldar players will chuck models at you if they've been playing since 4th.

Necrons won't do it anymore since they got an update.

In all seriousness, there's a few armies that are hit hard by updates, necrons got screwed by the glance rules, tau and eldar are stuck with models vastly overpriced (Skimmers used to be freaking POWERFUL in 4th, now they are far, far overcosted, Tau Firewarriors were used proudly in 4th, since glancing was good and S5 weapons were useful in such a regard, no running meaning units got there slower, along with easier vehicle deaths, 5+ saves instead of 4+ and all that...)

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

My Kislev army, My Slaan-led pygmy army, my Norscans, My Harlequin land raiders (ok, SM still get them, but my Harlies don't any more), My harlequin jetbikes, My Stealer hybrid Cult army, My Zoats, my Squats, My Imperial robots, thuddguns, mole mortars and Tarantulas, My Fimir raiders and my Nagash would all like a word

And that's just the ones i own or have owned There are others.

I believe that 6th will be "about Flyers" important quotes.

In other words i think the rules will benefit people who have flyers. Not to the point that they are super Over Powered or imbalanced, but definitely strong as there are definitively going to be rules for them. thus with a release of a new platform armored vehical i think they will perform great!


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Testify wrote:The alternative: GW announce the rules early, because they feel like it. Now I know it's coming, so I keep my £40 to buy something when the new ruleset comes out. In other words, I won't spend my money now, I'll spend it in future. It's the same money, being spent later. Minus inflation and probably price rises, so actually it's slightly less.
So yeah I think it's unlikely GW have some scheming Machiavellian plan to make gamers buy a shed load of soon-to-be-obsolete units.

They're under the impression, and rightly so, that a lot of their players (of course not all, but a fair few) have got enough disposable income to buy a few rhinos now, then buy 6th ed when is announced in a few weeks, then its easy to get one or two of the "next big thing" units as well over the next month or two. Hobby's are expensive, and for all those people with just 1 army, there's only really two occassions in a 4-5 year period that they'd have a real reason to buy anything from GW (even that is considering you play an army that gets re-released every edition) once you've got the meat and bones of your army together. You're also assuming that everybody that plays 40k spends their time searching forums to get an idea of what's coming. Many casual 40k-ers are probably still blissfully ignorant of anything happening until then next time the wander into their local store after the update drops.

Thrawn2600 wrote:I believe that 6th will be "about Flyers" important quotes.

In other words i think the rules will benefit people who have flyers. Not to the point that they are super Over Powered or imbalanced, but definitely strong as there are definitively going to be rules for them. thus with a release of a new platform armored vehical i think they will perform great!

I agree, my theory is that flyers will be really hard to shoot (negative BS modifier or they gain a good cover save from moving) and can only be assaulted by jump infantry. This has the added bonus of encouraging people to buy more JI, which are a fairly uncommon sight atm as well. Not massively OP, but it puts them in a new little niche that requires most people to by at least 1 or 2 new kits to be able to make a tac list.

Ascalam wrote:

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

My Kislev army, My Slaan-led pygmy army, my Norscans, My Harlequin land raiders (ok, SM still get them, but my Harlies don't any more), My harlequin jetbikes, My Stealer hybrid Cult army, My Zoats, my Squats, My Imperial robots, thuddguns, mole mortars and Tarantulas, My Fimir raiders and my Nagash would all like a word

And that's just the ones i own or have owned There are others.

I really hope GW fall on their arse with 6th ed's. lack of publicity. I know it won't happen, but a man can dream.

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

Lets face it though. We all know 6th is coming out. They have even stopped selling the current rulebook and staff have been told to say that "something exciting is round the corner". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a new rulebook is coming out so everyone can do all you mention anyway, just wait for the release and not buy anything. GW may as well put it up for pre-order and earn some money while doing it.


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Scouseboy wrote:

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

It's pretty clear what he's saying. You're trolling, right? Being willfully ignorant? Let's all be patronising, it's so much fun.

Units will become stronger and weaker with 6th. Say they introduce a rule that allows units to assault the same turn they deep strike. Necron Flayed Ones could become very strong instead of near useless. Say they introduce a rule that means a second stunned result on a transport makes it explode. Rhinos suddenly look a lot weaker. Extreme examples, but clear enough.

By neglecting to mention a new rule set, people will still buy their rhinos now rather than wait to see if rules changes make their purchases significantly worse. Or better, as it does cut both ways.

Erm..... being able to pre-order the new rule book DOES NOT mean being able to read the new rule book. We are talking about why the new rulebook is not available to PRE-ORDER. Considering that everyone already now knows that a new rulebook is on the way, then why would it make any difference.

DarthOvious wrote:

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

Lets face it though. We all know 6th is coming out. They have even stopped selling the current rulebook and staff have been told to say that "something exciting is round the corner". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a new rulebook is coming out so everyone can do all you mention anyway, just wait for the release and not buy anything. GW may as well put it up for pre-order and earn some money while doing it.


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Scouseboy wrote:

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

It's pretty clear what he's saying. You're trolling, right? Being willfully ignorant? Let's all be patronising, it's so much fun.

Units will become stronger and weaker with 6th. Say they introduce a rule that allows units to assault the same turn they deep strike. Necron Flayed Ones could become very strong instead of near useless. Say they introduce a rule that means a second stunned result on a transport makes it explode. Rhinos suddenly look a lot weaker. Extreme examples, but clear enough.

By neglecting to mention a new rule set, people will still buy their rhinos now rather than wait to see if rules changes make their purchases significantly worse. Or better, as it does cut both ways.

Erm..... being able to pre-order the new rule book DOES NOT mean being able to read the new rule book. We are talking about why the new rulebook is not available to PRE-ORDER. Considering that everyone already now knows that a new rulebook is on the way, then why would it make any difference.

and pray tell what are they going to do with the remaining stock of useless books? They are going to put them at a slight or steep discount and sell them off at the stores before they release the new one. I just don't think it fits into GW's "benevlolent" pattern of behavior. If you had a giant stack of books that needed disposal, you'd try to sell them first before making them obsolete.

poda_t wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

poda_t wrote:

djphranq wrote:It's coming pretty close to 6th's release right? Shouldn't they have some pre-order stuff going on now?

no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

Lets face it though. We all know 6th is coming out. They have even stopped selling the current rulebook and staff have been told to say that "something exciting is round the corner". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a new rulebook is coming out so everyone can do all you mention anyway, just wait for the release and not buy anything. GW may as well put it up for pre-order and earn some money while doing it.


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Scouseboy wrote:

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

It's pretty clear what he's saying. You're trolling, right? Being willfully ignorant? Let's all be patronising, it's so much fun.

Units will become stronger and weaker with 6th. Say they introduce a rule that allows units to assault the same turn they deep strike. Necron Flayed Ones could become very strong instead of near useless. Say they introduce a rule that means a second stunned result on a transport makes it explode. Rhinos suddenly look a lot weaker. Extreme examples, but clear enough.

By neglecting to mention a new rule set, people will still buy their rhinos now rather than wait to see if rules changes make their purchases significantly worse. Or better, as it does cut both ways.

Erm..... being able to pre-order the new rule book DOES NOT mean being able to read the new rule book. We are talking about why the new rulebook is not available to PRE-ORDER. Considering that everyone already now knows that a new rulebook is on the way, then why would it make any difference.

and pray tell what are they going to do with the remaining stock of useless books? They are going to put them at a slight or steep discount and sell them off at the stores before they release the new one. I just don't think it fits into GW's "benevlolent" pattern of behavior. If you had a giant stack of books that needed disposal, you'd try to sell them first before making them obsolete.

It has been my experience, that most GW stores will ward you off from purchasing rules that are soon to be updated. Usefully with the tag line that something big is coming. As to what they will do with excess stock, they will have to ship them back to the distribution center where they will likely be destroyed/recycled.


And for the OP, we don't have 100% confirmation that the edition will even be released this month. They could wait till early next month and release right before the NA Games Day.

The only way to correct understamd GELW's motives is the question "Will this nake money?" By not announcing a ruleset they have people buying up as many vehicles as possible for 5th. The BAM! 6th makes vehicles suck so you just give.over a lot of money for useless boxes Now you need to go buy a horde.

djphranq wrote:Do you think they'll do something special and have pre-orders available with different editions like 5th? Any one hear anything about that?

Any reasonable company would make a big song and dance about the relaunch of their biggest and best selling products especially during an anniversary year of said product.

GW is not a reasonable company.

poda_t wrote:no. It would be a death sentence on all of their current sales: people will simply wait for the release, check things out, and then start buying. It's better to keep people buying units that may become outdated, so they have to come back and buy ones that are now favored

Oh please! It's a month away!

Springing a new edition on people without warning will hurt sales more then announcing it.

Testify wrote:I'd love to hear what units he thinks will be made obsolete, especially given GW never make models obsolete.

My Pariahs and my Lost & The Damned army would like to have a word with you...