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Well, then that's just awesome!

Will DE 'quins get rending pistols and the new(old) shadowseer rules?

 D6Damager wrote:
Their jump generator allows them to go 6+2d6"

Just a clarification.

They can move 6" as a Jetpack unit in the movement phase without penalty. If they take the 6"+2d6, one model is removed on a roll of doubles.
Then they could take the run+move/move+run during the Shooting phase.
Then they could move 2d6" during the Assault Phase because they're Jetpacks.

They're hilariously mobile.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 D6Damager wrote:
Their jump generator allows them to go 6+2d6"

Just a clarification.

They can move 6" as a Jetpack unit in the movement phase without penalty. If they take the 6"+2d6, one model is removed on a roll of doubles.
Then they could take the run+move/move+run during the Shooting phase.
Then they could move 2d6" during the Assault Phase because they're Jetpacks.

They're hilariously mobile.

I literally took a chance and picked up a friends 18 spiders as he wasn't using them. So glad I did, as I still see them as the premier FA slot.

And I really just like the look of the spider models.

Theorius wrote:
That means you needed to be within 18" of the damn terminator the turn BEFORE then he moves up shoots you maybe assaults you....alittle to close for comfort for such an expensive unit. NOT SAYING IT ISNT DOABLE, but it is not as simple or as safe as it could be.

Well, really, you have to be 24" away from the Terminator at the end of your turn, because you damn well know that terminator is going to move six inches towards you on HIS turn.

milo wrote:

Theorius wrote:
That means you needed to be within 18" of the damn terminator the turn BEFORE then he moves up shoots you maybe assaults you....alittle to close for comfort for such an expensive unit. NOT SAYING IT ISNT DOABLE, but it is not as simple or as safe as it could be.

Well, really, you have to be 24" away from the Terminator at the end of your turn, because you damn well know that terminator is going to move six inches towards you on HIS turn.

If I was a terminator and knew you had that malediction and I knew my guns has 24" range then I would not be within 18" of you for sure.....

If I was a hammernator then I don't care as I have a 3++ anyways.

Theorius wrote:

milo wrote:

Theorius wrote:
That means you needed to be within 18" of the damn terminator the turn BEFORE then he moves up shoots you maybe assaults you....alittle to close for comfort for such an expensive unit. NOT SAYING IT ISNT DOABLE, but it is not as simple or as safe as it could be.

Well, really, you have to be 24" away from the Terminator at the end of your turn, because you damn well know that terminator is going to move six inches towards you on HIS turn.

If I was a terminator and knew you had that malediction and I knew my guns has 24" range then I would not be within 18" of you for sure.....

If I was a hammernator then I don't care as I have a 3++ anyways.

Well, that's a fair point.

I am curious is the Wraithknight a character ? Like the wraithlord ?

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I am curious is the Wraithknight a character ? Like the wraithlord ?

is the wraithlord still a character as well?

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I am curious is the Wraithknight a character ? Like the wraithlord ?

Jump MC. WL is a Character, while WK isn't

Kind of a weird thing... the Spiritseer has the special rule "Spirit Mark" which lets wraith units re-roll To Hit rolls of 1. This ability also affects Hemlock Wraithfighters. BUT... Hemlock Wraithfighters only have Heavy D-Scythes, which are blast weapons... How would this work?

yeah, and ridiculouse T8..., seriously even a Nurgle GUO does'nt have a T higher then 6...and its a freakin Mountain of flesh.

But eldars put some sticks and barrels togheter and oh look a T8 creature!...

I'm glad that Holofield got changed though... we weren't calling it gakky-Field for nothing in France & Belgium(play on words from the french name of Holofield, Field=Champ, Champ=Chiant, Chiant=gakky, Holo-chiant= Shittyfield).

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
yeah, and ridiculouse T8..., seriously even a Nurgle GUO does'nt have a T higher then 6...and its a freakin Mountain of flesh.

But eldars put some sticks and barrels togheter and oh look a T8 creature!...

Wait, let me get this right. Something made out of non-living material is tougher than something made of flesh? NO WAI!

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
yeah, and ridiculouse T8..., seriously even a Nurgle GUO does'nt have a T higher then 6...and its a freakin Mountain of flesh.

But eldars put some sticks and barrels togheter and oh look a T8 creature!....

This has been discussed a million times.

The best example someone put forth (I forget who) is that a lampost is thinner than an elephant, but if you have a gun the elephant will stop elephanting before the lamppost stops lamposting. The point is that the Wraithlord is essentially as tough as a vehicle.

Now imagine the elephant has no concept of pain, and the lamppost is made from the same material that a high-tech society makes their main battle tanks out of. Lamppost wins even more.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
yeah, and ridiculouse T8..., seriously even a Nurgle GUO does'nt have a T higher then 6...and its a freakin Mountain of flesh.

But eldars put some sticks and barrels togheter and oh look a T8 creature!....

This has been discussed a million times.

The best example someone put forth (I forget who) is that a lampost is thinner than an elephant, but if you have a gun the elephant will stop elephanting before the lamppost stops lamposting. The point is that the Wraithlord is essentially as tough as a vehicle.

Now imagine the elephant has no concept of pain, and the lamppost is made from the same material that a high-tech society makes their main battle tanks out of. Lamppost wins even more.

Ha, ha. Not that close.

Have you ever hunted ? It takes a perfect shot to down a large animal with a pretty big caliber gun. I would say it is easier to down the lamp post. Hell some water buffalo have such a high bone density, bullet bounce off them.

You cant glance the animal. But you can glance the lamp post to death.

So you don't get the point?

It can't feel pain, there's no blood to lose, no muscles or tendons to rip... as far as we know there's not even any electrical currents to disrupt!

it's simply made from the stuff that make up Eldar battletanks, spaceships and craftworlds.
And you whine about it being tough?

the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

Let's just chalk it up to GUO's having osteoporosis as one of their standard diseases.

 Enigma wrote:
the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

We'll stop when Eldar players stop going on about 12" shuricats, which is just as old.

People might want to check out Tasty's latest post on bloodofkittens. It is enlightening.

 Enigma wrote:
So you don't get the point?

It can't feel pain, there's no blood to lose, no muscles or tendons to rip... as far as we know there's not even any electrical currents to disrupt!

it's simply made from the stuff that make up Eldar battletanks, spaceships and craftworlds.
And you whine about it being tough?

the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

If it is made from the same stuff why don't the Warwalkers and tanks have T instead of armor ? Or why don't Wraith units have armor =P ?

But, now that we know it can only shoot 2 weapons and it is not a character it is much eater to deal with or ignore.

I'm curious, has the Dark Reaper fluff changed, or is their having Slow and Purposeful contradicting the fluff of their armour locking them to the ground for stability?

Wraithlords are still characters, for whoever asked earlier. WK are not.

 pretre wrote:

 airmang wrote:
Does that mean they auto -wound, regardless of Toughness?

That is the rumor.

It's not a rumor. Plenty of people have the codex now.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Enigma wrote:
So you don't get the point?

It can't feel pain, there's no blood to lose, no muscles or tendons to rip... as far as we know there's not even any electrical currents to disrupt!

it's simply made from the stuff that make up Eldar battletanks, spaceships and craftworlds.
And you whine about it being tough?

the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

If it is made from the same stuff why don't the Warwalkers and tanks have T instead of armor ? Or why don't Wraith units have armor =P ?

But, now that we know it can only shoot 2 weapons and it is not a character it is much eater to deal with or ignore.

Now let's see... If I remember correctly it's vehicles which use the armour rule instead of T. you know, like war walkers? you know, things that are piloted by a living creature? and not creatures like say guardsmen, orks, hive tyrants or wraithlords. Do you tell me that Necrons should have an armour value as well?

 Enigma wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Enigma wrote:
So you don't get the point?

It can't feel pain, there's no blood to lose, no muscles or tendons to rip... as far as we know there's not even any electrical currents to disrupt!

it's simply made from the stuff that make up Eldar battletanks, spaceships and craftworlds.
And you whine about it being tough?

the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

If it is made from the same stuff why don't the Warwalkers and tanks have T instead of armor ? Or why don't Wraith units have armor =P ?

But, now that we know it can only shoot 2 weapons and it is not a character it is much eater to deal with or ignore.

Now let's see... If I remember correctly it's vehicles which use the armour rule instead of T. you know, like war walkers? you know, things that are piloted by a living creature? and not creatures like say guardsmen, orks, hive tyrants or wraithlords. Do you tell me that Necrons should have an armour value as

Wraithknight has a living pilot. So it is closer to a dreadnaught or a war walker, which have armor......

Also I believe the phantoms and reavers in the IMP ARMOR book are armor as well. That I cant say for certain though.

Yes I know, and I must say that I agree with you on that one. The problem here is that half of it is "piloted" by the soul of the pilots dead sibling, just as if it was a wraithlord...

Probably they made it use T instead of Armour as it's far too easy to wreck vehicles in this ed.... and then it wouldn't sell -.-

But I agree, the knight should probably fall under the vehicle category.

---<Edit>---
Yes, they are super heavy walkers... It feels as if we should get a new class of vehicle to represent these weird almost titans. like super-heavy light walker

 pretre wrote:
People might want to check out Tasty's latest post on bloodofkittens. It is enlightening.

Thanks for that. The 37 jpgs I just copied to my hard drive are filling the void that not receiving my army book yet has left.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Enigma wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Enigma wrote:
So you don't get the point?

It can't feel pain, there's no blood to lose, no muscles or tendons to rip... as far as we know there's not even any electrical currents to disrupt!

it's simply made from the stuff that make up Eldar battletanks, spaceships and craftworlds.
And you whine about it being tough?

the thing's been T8 since 3rd ed. as far as I know... and people still whine!?

If it is made from the same stuff why don't the Warwalkers and tanks have T instead of armor ? Or why don't Wraith units have armor =P ?

But, now that we know it can only shoot 2 weapons and it is not a character it is much eater to deal with or ignore.

Now let's see... If I remember correctly it's vehicles which use the armour rule instead of T. you know, like war walkers? you know, things that are piloted by a living creature? and not creatures like say guardsmen, orks, hive tyrants or wraithlords. Do you tell me that Necrons should have an armour value as

Wraithknight has a living pilot. So it is closer to a dreadnaught or a war walker

Maybe - and hopefully to be realistic rather than cynical - Games Workshop is aware that monstrous creatures are superior to walkers (generally) and that they need at least workable rules for their big new releases?

 Enigma wrote:
Yes I know, and I must say that I agree with you on that one. The problem here is that half of it is "piloted" by the soul of the pilots dead sibling, just as if it was a wraithlord...

Probably they made it use T instead of Armour as it's far too easy to wreck vehicles in this ed.... and then it wouldn't sell -.-

But I agree, the knight should probably fall under the vehicle category.

---<Edit>---
Yes, they are super heavy walkers... It feels as if we should get a new class of vehicle to represent these weird almost titans. like super-heavy light walker

Agreed =)

If they made it armor no one would want it

I really hope that orks BIG things isnt an armored unit lol


Funny thing is since it does have a pilot, I feel it should be a character and not the wraithlord.

lokust2501 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
People might want to check out Tasty's latest post on bloodofkittens. It is enlightening.

Thanks for that. The 37 jpgs I just copied to my hard drive are filling the void that not receiving my army book yet has left.

I pick up my copy tomorrow, so I don't think I'm going to bother with more than looking them over on my browser...but it is interesting to note that allied CWE can't bring Warlocks with them. Same sort of wording that keeps me from using a Herald of Tzeentch as a cheap HQ to ally Daemons to my 1KSons.