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alrighty - jus wanted to check up - i suppose what i go was legit.

Couldn't tell anyways..

i just a few months after got dark resin and wondered since haha.

FW have used at least three different coloured resins since they set up shop. All varieties of grey, but as different from each other as the grey plastic GW uses for its space marines.

Here are some indicators: Shiny metal, detail not as "crisp" as other GW stuff, sometimes you see holes where air bubbles hit the side, and eBay BiN prices dramatically below market value.

There was a flood of counterfits when Epic Armageddon was still selling well. Some guy with a spincaster was selling copies of the really expensive models and stupid-low prices. I spent a good while reporting him to both eBay and GW. No idea what became of it other than his auctions stopped appearing.

LOL

If you want to see what an assumed copier of GW work looks like, check out this one:

http://shop.ebay.com.au/merchant/sexy-goddess-lingerie

Daemonettes, Seekers and Wraithguard - all brand new, all without boxes or decals, all in large units, all shiny and brand new, all are very expensive originally and all have been sold multiple times.

Wonder how long they will stay up for?

@ Tallamntim , take the link off please lol.

The reason i didnt provide any LIVE link to shut daggermawl up wasnt because i couldnt find any.

Its because i KNOW he and some others are seriouse about looking for counterfeiting seller and i dont want them to gain access to finding them.

The best thing we can do is get ebay to take them off directly, and keep the seller info away from people like daggermaw.

Blatant recasting on the WRaithguard at least.

1. No packagaing.
2. All *exactly the same pose*

Why would you have so many of such an expensive model totally untouched?

Several reasons, bad luck or stock clearance for example. There's no way the Deamonettes are fakes, it makes no economic sense to make them.

Accusing this guy of fraud is a bit off IMO.

George Spiggott wrote:Several reasons, bad luck or stock clearance for example. There's no way the Deamonettes are fakes, it makes no economic sense to make them.

Accusing this guy of fraud is a bit off IMO.

They are one of the most popular OOP items....

I have no idea about those seekers, but all I do know is that I buy ALL my mini's off The Warstore or from GW's hands themselves. Anything else is either fake, or some people just can't be trusted (too much risk on bartertown if ya asks me)

I'm a graphic artworker myself so I have to deal with this issue in my work. In the event anyone should steal my work I take the view of photographer Peter Rickards of aflictedyard.com, namely "steal my work and I will stab you!"

LOL

That seller has 12 x Daemonettes, 6 x fiends and 10 x wraithguard for sale.

Since December they have sold 36x Daemonettes, 12 x seekers, 10 x wraithguard, 3 x Eldar HW platforms and 1 x Avatar.

There are no items in boxes, no items with Decals, and no items that look in any way old, used or scuffed from being stored out of their box (like my old unpainted figs do).

There may be another explanation for it, however I can't imagine many people having 48 unpainted unassembled Daemonettes (plus all the others) - it beggars belief.

Not making a value call - it just looks like this person if making copies IMO - and making some coin along the way.

Cheers

who is this seller and please link me to him, i would like to purchase some fine, home made GW miniatures.

@ tallmantim , you think thats bad!

We have one that sells this:

3x FW Avatar
3x Revenant Titan
2x Armorcast Gargant
2x Reaver Titan
3x ( forgot IG FW tank name )


once every month. Always in 3s, always the same ones.
always the same pic, (or lack of original pic)

George Spiggott wrote:Several reasons, bad luck or stock clearance for example. There's no way the Deamonettes are fakes, it makes no economic sense to make them.

Accusing this guy of fraud is a bit off IMO.

Something about self-fulfilling prophecies.

who is this seller and please link me to him, i would like to purchase some fine, home made GW miniatures.

YOU ARE A BAD PERSON, WIEROPAUSJDFL;SKDFJA;;!`~

LunaHound wrote:
@ tallmantim , you think thats bad!

We have one that sells this:

3x FW Avatar
3x Revenant Titan
2x Armorcast Gargant
2x Reaver Titan
3x ( forgot IG FW tank name )


once every month. Always in 3s, always the same ones.
always the same pic, (or lack of original pic)

Ha!

I'm sure he's got original boxes for all of them!

;-)

enmitee wrote:who is this seller and please link me to him, i would like to purchase some fine, home made GW miniatures.

Funny thing is they sell for more than a GW box set of Daemonettes do!

So unless you want to buy the 2002 casts in particular (which I guess is the whole point) you are better off with the GW current release (from a monetary point of view).

Cheers

tallmantim wrote:


Ha!

I'm sure he's got original boxes for all of them!

;-)

Oh this is just within the recent ones.
Not to mention the seller also do sales OFF ebay .

I sent a few message hinting if i can order some more directly , they replied as many as i want.
I gave them some haggling price of like 40% off , they refused and say 20%. If 40% they said they'll be
auctioning them off again, and i can try to bid them below 40% off value. etc etc.

*PS for those that is trying desperately to find the seller on ebay atm, you wont find anything.

I took the consideration of waiting till all the last batch of items are sold, and off listing before i post this. But no worries im sure you'll see them soon enough.

*sigh* Am I the only here who grows tired of the self-righteousness?

Neconilis wrote:*sigh* Am I the only here who grows tired of the self-righteousness?

Eh... not sure what you mean. ( is that for me?)

But taking this time to satisfy the trolls that have been bothering me.

Neconilis wrote:*sigh* Am I the only here who grows tired of the self-righteousness?

;-)

Have you tried the unsubscribe button?

Am I the only one who grows tired of the bellicose attitudes?

tallmantim wrote:

Neconilis wrote:*sigh* Am I the only here who grows tired of the self-righteousness?

;-)

Have you tried the unsubscribe button?

Am I the only one who grows tired of the bellicose attitudes?

Really not trolling or looking for a silly internet argument that's utterly pointless, that was a literal sigh and thought (then typed) comment. Take it however you wish.

Also look at the plastic quality i have a set of scouts that are counterfit yet it is not a GW store but he claims to be since when do GW sell pool tables LAWL any way look out for people like that.

Too bad those wraithguards are getting so expensive, I would have loved a new 10 man unit of them.

Original Poster, back. Eighteen (18) pages read.

LunaHound: STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR MOTHER.

Inquisitor_Bob: How did you get access to the material's in that case file exactly? I've done a fair bit of digging around Missouri's legal system and found their cock-blocking of public information troublesome.

MODERATE back on Page 5, and Two_heads_talking: Your efforts are duly noted.

To the general forum: If you've never received any counterfeits, or have not had any direct experience with them, or have no online resources which make for good material in identifying said items (or are not potential evidence of said items) - shhhtart your topic in a new thread please. Otherwise, given the amount of "opinion" posted on various topics - My opinion is you're trolling. And since FIRE is the only sure-fire (har har) way of dealing with a troll - please read my sig.

It has been asked "what models?" and "by whom?"

After I return this evening I will be posting some additional materials. What I can say this is: I've done some minor comparative tests and so far my findings indicate a quantitative difference between what I own and what I received.

@with an iron fist:

What about my mother ? she dont know internet, please
explain?

Look at all those satisfied customers on the screen shot of the seller's feedback. To make matters worse consider that in some cases (and this has been my experience over the years) up to a quarter of all Ebay buyers don't leave any feedback at all. Thus this seller might be selling even more than you all realise. (and yes, just for the record I susepect that this "sexy lingerie" person is selling recasts)

The last page or so have nice illistrated one of the delimas of the recasting issue. This came up alot on the Citadel Collectors group. Aside from blowing the whistle on them, the best way to stop commercial recasters is to expose them. However the problem with that is that you wind up drumming up more business for them in the process of doing so. There is always going to be a segement of the gaming population that simply does not care. These folks are going to say "Yeah this guy is selling recasts, but what the hell? If I clean, paint, and base these things no one is going to know. There is no practical way to detect recasts after they have been painted, so I'm going to take advantage of a good deal."

And you know what? They are factually correct. They are not going to get caught. I mean really. Have you ever seen a staffer at a GW event (let alone a FLGS) going around checking everyone's miniatures to see if they are genuine? Neither have I. What are they going to do? Say "Ok, Wraithguard are amongst the most commonly recast current models. So we are going to weigh all the Wraithguard at this event to determine metal content." and crack out the scales? Don't be absurd...

GW may talk a good game about stopping recasting and there have been isolated cases of lawsuits in the past, but the vast, vast majority of recasters (and almost ALL of their customers) get away with it in the real world.

Finally let me close with this comment:
While (as is the case with all crimes) the final decision to sell recast minitaures lies with the recaster, GW shares at least some complicity in this. They helped to create the market for recast miniatures with their prices and business practices. Had they not raised their prices many times the rate of inflation over the years (especially in the case of their metal lines which are absolutely obcene any more) the incentive to buy and sell recasts would be greatly reduced. Likewise had they not greatly cut back on the availability of "archive" miniatures, the market for recasts of OOP models would be reduced as well.
In the end, it's a case of karma coming back to bite them on the a--.

TR

LunaHound wrote:
@with an iron fist:

What about my mother ? she dont know internet, please
explain?

LunaHound - You keep writing comments about your mother and "living situation" with her on the forum - and it's not only off topic every single time I've seen it, it's entirely disrespectful. Stop doing it. And knock off that self deprecating crap about your english. You've left over 1600 posts in under three months - it's pretty clear your english is at least as good as a lot of the other people here.

All that being said, do you know why Jesus is about to cry? You didn't bother reading my last post entirely did ya? Hm? HM??? HMMMM????

-------now that they're sufficiently confused, I shall post my findings from the local post office (which I also had verified on the scale used by the clerks to send packages):

First, the miniature I have suspicions about comes in 2 pieces in the package - 1 is a body with tab, is a sprue with other bits.

Weigh in results using a digital scale (two scales used, results the same):
My original copy: 0.40 ounces for the body bit, 0.40 ounces for the sprue bits
The version I received in trade: 0.50 ounces for the body bit, 0.40 ounces for the sprue bits.
Difference: 0.10 ounces.

Scratch test:
Bit set, using less pressure, left a noticably darker marking on the paper than the original copy as well as a recent edition Emperor's Champion, recent casting Azrael, "heroes of the Adeptus Astartes" box set Azrael, and a mid to late 1990's azrael and Brother Bethor casting. Unlike the originals I have, it took far less pressure to achieve the same or darker results on the scratch test at any given equivalent angle - to the point where similar coloration would require ripping the paper to achieve with the legitimate copies.

Visual inspection:
Aside from damage on the front of the model (where a scratch of some type tore a piece of detailing clean off the model leaving a rather shiney series of marks), the coloration is substantially different, and under LED lighting the coloration is has a blue-grey appearance.

And the body-bit tab is noticably thinner on the trade-received than the copy I already owned (which I picked up at Games Day for those interested to know).

Other tests:
Model has a waxy feel to it. In fact, all the items received in this trade have a waxy feel.

I will have to send these items to GW-UK for their "crack team analysis", but probably not before I take this to be analyzed with a fun device that gives readings on chemical compositions.

I still dont get you ironfist.

what does me and my mom have to do with this thread?
what does my english have to do with how much i post?

Aslong as people understand what im trying to say, its ok no?
And thats all i can offer, grammar etc etc, bad sentence structure etc etc, as i said earlier i apologize if its bad.

I will have to send these items to GW-UK for their "crack team analysis", but probably not before I take this to be analyzed with a fun device that gives readings on chemical compositions.

Which of course will cost you yet money for shipping, the analysis, etc. Why throw good money after bad? Why not just paint it up and use it?

TR