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LunaHound wrote:I still dont get you ironfist.

what does me and my mom have to do with this thread?
what does my english have to do with how much i post?

Aslong as people understand what im trying to say, its ok no?
And thats all i can offer, grammar etc etc, bad sentence structure etc etc, as i said earlier i apologize if its bad.

See, your english is fine - but you say "sorry for my bad english." It's nonsense - do you understand now? Your english is not an issue for anyone here (you write better than a lot native speakers honestly). And your mother - you keep talking about how you paid the mortgage and how your money gets used up by her 'spending habits.' It's none of our business and it makes you look very disrespectful. You've done that in several threads - stop it!

And what you're doing is trolling right now - your post with ebay feedback was NOT trolling, but you really should post the user name OR report them to eBay and GW yourself.

Trench-Raider wrote:

I will have to send these items to GW-UK for their "crack team analysis", but probably not before I take this to be analyzed with a fun device that gives readings on chemical compositions.

Which of course will cost you yet money for shipping, the analysis, etc. Why throw good money after bad? Why not just paint it up and use it?

TR

Shipping is reimbursed by GW, analysis costs me almost nothing to perform, and I have standards which you clearly don't if you're willing to bend over when someone gives it to you (unless you're asking for it of course, in which case I don't really need to know what you're doing do I?).

But never fear, should this prove to be a true case of counterfeiting, which I've no doubt of at this point (though there is still the possiblility which is why further analysis is needed) - I may very well backhand this user so hard that Jesus winces.

Why bother? I'm not Jesus. What do I care if Jesus winces?

with an iron fist wrote:

See, your english is fine - but you say "sorry for my bad english." It's nonsense - do you understand now? Your english is not an issue for anyone here (you write better than a lot native speakers honestly). And your mother - you keep talking about how you paid the mortgage and how your money gets used up by her 'spending habits.' It's none of our business and it makes you look very disrespectful. You've done that in several threads - stop it!

And what you're doing is trolling right now - your post with ebay feedback was NOT trolling, but you really should post the user name OR report them to eBay and GW yourself.

I still dont understand your point , so i'll explain it better.

I have encounter numerous times where people tell me that my sentence structure is weird or none n.american . I know they dont mean harm
when they say that, but i do notice what they are talking about. The most i do is try to correct the spelling ( since it underlines red for
typo anyways ). Many times i have edited same post 2-3 times because i noticed i used wrong word or the sentence seriously lacked
the grammar parts. But at times im just lazy and didnt catch the mistakes. So for that if people have hard time understanding what i typed,
then i apologize to them. ( why is this wrong or trolling? )

About what i asked in my other threads, why bring it in here? If you have problems with what i posted in other thread, say it there.
I still dont see why you bring it up here.
You dont know anything about my family , or lack of family, nor did i bad mouth her in anyway.
I only give as much info as it takes for people to help me with my dilemma , nothing more, nothing less. If i tell you more about my family you would probably
understand and stop troubling me. But in this thread i see no reason why we even need to discuss about my family.

So i dont understand why you keep bringing it up!

Why do you say im trolling because i dont list the seller's name? You already knew people are seriously looking for
counterfeiter to buy from , you want me to list them so they can purchase counterfeits easier? WTF are you insane?

Iron Fists point is that at no time, in thread, especially about counterfeit minis, should your mom or any of your personal life situations be brought up. NEVER. It's a ploy for sympathy and this thread doesn't need it, so, leave the mamma drama at home..

And he's saying there is no need to constantly refer back to 'your bad English' when it's clear from your posts, that your English isn't that bad.

If you are still having a hard time understanding those two issues, then I was wrong in my assessment of your English ability ....

Link my post in this thread that i mentioned my mom for ploy to sympathy ,

and thank you if you think my english is ok. Do you guys have some sort of vendetta
to constantly bring this up? well i dont know about you 2 heads.

But i know ironfist have personal vendetta against me since he bought the counterfeit item from
that other guy and some how he associates it with me.

two_heads_talking wrote:Iron Fists point is that at no time, in thread, especially about counterfeit minis, should your mom or any of your personal life situations be brought up. NEVER. It's a ploy for sympathy and this thread doesn't need it, so, leave the mamma drama at home..

And he's saying there is no need to constantly refer back to 'your bad English' when it's clear from your posts, that your English isn't that bad.

If you are still having a hard time understanding those two issues, then I was wrong in my assessment of your English ability ....

Corect, correct, and thank you for your efforts once more, but I'm going to have to knock this one clear off my thread once and for all.

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LunaHound wrote: (...) Granted me and my mom paid off our mortgage 2 years ago , but that did nothing to change my spending habits. ( mom is horrible as always ) (...)

LunaHound wrote:(...)Well, my mom dont work, dad divorced and left us years ago. So ya im pretty much alone in this. I'll tell you yes, i never been in the same situation as you "as provider for family" but i know myself, as in i will know to choose or not choose "my hobby" to something that suits my budget. Know what i mean?

You're talking about your family and the comments about your mother are less than flattering. That's bad mouthing.

As for the rest of what you've written - I told you there's nothing wrong with your english, so there's no point in commenting about it. I also said "post that eBay user's info (implied: so they can be reported) OR report them to eBay and GW yourself." The extraneous implied is "if you don't report them, you're just as guilty as they are."

Do you understand, or do you need more information?

LunaHound wrote:Link my post in this thread that i mentioned my mom for ploy to sympathy ,

and thank you if you think my english is ok. Do you guys have some sort of vendetta
to constantly bring this up? well i dont know about you 2 heads.

But i know ironfist have personal vendetta against me since he bought the counterfeit item from
that other guy and some how he associates it with me.

and you're reported. stay off this thread.

Bad mouthing? im raising valid points through examples of my personal experience instead of arguing with things made up out of the blue.
Nice try, quote the whole convo next time instead of just my part and it'll make more sense then your empty claim.

Lets see, secret squig brought up about how family situation can change what we value or consider moral.

TheSecretSquig wrote:
I don't mean this discrimantory, because you have provided a very mature argument and your age hasn't come in to it, Lets have this conversation again, when you've reached +30, have a Mortgage, a Car Loan, and all the bills that go with runing a house, wife, children, and your paying for all this yourself without support from Mum & Dad. Then, lets see if you'll turn down the oppertunity to save a few £££ by buying some counterfeit models.

While i dont agree with him, i do understand where he is comming from. And with this example, i used my own real life situation.

That my situation is poor too, but i'll deal with it with by not getting involved with expensive hobby. I only brought up to tell him i know what it feels like to be supporting a family,
and it doesnt have to effect how we value our morality.

And why are you reporting me? what for? Because i brought up truth you didnt like?
I'll have mod read the stupid private messages you sent me claiming im helping counterfeiters then.

Because you know its JUST SO IRONIC , you dont want me to tell others how to avoid coutnerfeiters
while yourself was scammed. bit of karma perhaps?

Im not talking about this thread btw, im talking about this one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/230269.page
after seeing both bartertown and dakka*2 have their share of scammed victims i decided to make that post.

I can see this thread getting locked fast if you two don't stay on topic.

Iron fist...there really is no point in bringing up anything about Luna's parents or personal situations. Even if it was in this thread it was 10 pages back and isn't relevant to the current discussion anyway. Just leave it.

Luna...just ignore him.

Now if you don't mind..I'm more interested in knowing what the test results revealed than your argument with another member.

Alright, I'm lost here; why do you think ironfist has a personal vendetta against you Luna?

I don't understand this sentence.

"But i know ironfist have personal vendetta against me since he bought the counterfeit item from that other guy and some how he associates it with me."

Why would he blame you for having received a copied miniature?

So, first post, don't get upset. Reproduction is simply a question of market value. A unique item cannot be copied as it is unique. An item whose creator has signed a contract allowing reproduction can be copied multiple times, the only value attached is that which the consumer gives it. This value cannot be 'stolen', it can only be exchanged.
@ lunahound, your English is ok, although you should practice your articles. I think the problem is more of a culture clash than anything else, but don't worry about it too much, everyone brings up their wives and girlfriends but mothers seem to be taboo for some people.

First, I don't see why people are jumping on Luna.

Second, *of course* there's a lot of fishiness on eBay. eBay is only good for illegal activities, just like Pirate Bay.

Thirdly, those Daemonettes look awfully tasty, especially as-priced, but why are there so many poses if recasting?!? If you're recasting, you want to minimize poses to maximize return on molds. OTOH, if he's pulling $100 USD per listing (2.5x previous retail), maybe it works after all...

People are jumping on Luna due to Luna making continued pious and morally superior posts flaming all and sundry then rolling over and baring (his/her) belly anytime someone returns fire, seeking to elicit sympathy.

I think Luna and those who so vehemently agree and decry in the same manner should consider that their upright morals and strong convictions are commendable and then second consider using all that vigilance and moral piety for something worthwhile like cleaning a local beach or volunteering at the homeless centre instead of launching full scale witch hunts on this forum.

I am morbidly fascinated at why Lunahound is so rabid on the subject however, not only this thread but the swapshop thread on someone selling that SW marine with LC and then the Rumours thread on the same model.

Given the GW response when I asked after finding some of those deamonettes (basically 'No, we don't have any left, try ebay') I might be making enquiries myself. Thanks for the link.

with an iron fist wrote:
Inquisitor_Bob: How did you get access to the material's in that case file exactly? I've done a fair bit of digging around Missouri's legal system and found their cock-blocking of public information troublesome

The case has not been published in any legal publication yet. That's why it has a Lexis Nexis number rather than a real citation number. By the way, only cases that are appealed are on publication. Cases resolved in lower courts with no appeals are not listed on legal research. My access is due to being a law student and we have access to both Lexis Nexis and Westlaw.

Most law firms also have both systems. On another note, anyone can go into a public law school and use the law library to research case law.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:People are jumping on Luna due to Luna making continued pious and morally superior posts flaming all and sundry then rolling over and baring (his/her) belly anytime someone returns fire, seeking to elicit sympathy.

I think Luna and those who so vehemently agree and decry in the same manner should consider that their upright morals and strong convictions are commendable and then second consider using all that vigilance and moral piety for something worthwhile like cleaning a local beach or volunteering at the homeless centre instead of launching full scale witch hunts on this forum.

I am morbidly fascinated at why Lunahound is so rabid on the subject however, not only this thread but the swapshop thread on someone selling that SW marine with LC and then the Rumours thread on the same model.

Given the GW response when I asked after finding some of those deamonettes (basically 'No, we don't have any left, try ebay') I might be making enquiries myself. Thanks for the link.

One simple reason MGS . When i tell the truth , and people refuses to believe me, i feel inclined to prove it to them. I could tell you what made me into doing that
but then you guys will just say im using what happend to me in real life to *elicit sympathy .

Which is 100% pure B*S* As i already stated i use the example someone used ( i even quoted them ) to respond to their question.

What i asked in other threads which is nothing to do with this thread, why you guys are using it for witch hunting me , is pretty rabid too.

LunaHound wrote: why you guys are using it for witch hunting me , is pretty rabid too.

The only real witch hunt going on here is Iron Fist trying to figure out ifhe has or does not have counterfeit minis.. The rest of this posting garbage is so much ragdoll/straw men.

quit taking the thread and getting upset over it and taking it personally. Just drive on, make your post and leave it be..

H.B.M.C. wrote:Very shiny lead models with low detail levels. Good way to tell.

It's all shiny to me, I used to collect before 'White Metal' was introduced and miss the lead days, lead was so damned pliable and you could bend a model's arm into a pose or tilt a head, the current metal seems so very brittle to me.

Couple of questions though,

a) won't the shift to plastics and the plastic sprue style make it far more difficult to reproduce?

b) is there a crime in making miniatures that the parent company no longer produces and refuses to stock or support? (like said deamonettes? if enough reproduced models get on the market, they will bring down the crazy price by competing...)

Of course there is a crime. They still hold Copyright after all.

For personal use is still naughty, but can be morally neutral if melting down GW models to fill your molds.

But to sell? Still illegal I'm afraid.

I'm aware it's illegal and they own the intellectual property, the original design etc.

I was not asking if it was against the law, I was asking if it was a crime.

It's a bit like using company time to trawl internet forums whilst being paid by your employing company to do the work they pay you for, whilst strictly speaking that's totally wrong, most could turn a blind eye to it, if it's only a little bit, right?

Man this thread took a serious left turn into misunderstanding insanity. It was an interesting read though.

HEhe. Speaking to the wrong guy on that one. Got fired for using Interwebs at work.

I did purchase some ig troopers on ebay a couple of months back, 20 of them for half the price.

I thought it was a little strange, having such a good discount. They were advertised by the seller as:

"half the price because we save money on buying minis without the boxes"

I did not think anything of it, when I recieved the minis, they looked exactly the same in size and detail, what gave it away for me was the color os the plastic which was much darker, and the excess plastic on the sprues. I did end up using the models since they look exactly the same painted but decide not to purchase anymore models from the seller out of principle.

Couple of questions though,

a) won't the shift to plastics and the plastic sprue style make it far more difficult to reproduce?

This is where we see the high value metal figures being reproduced. There will (IMO) continue to be metal figures as the lead up production costs are much lower to get them to market.

Plastic figures are unattractive to reproduce as they are not too expensive per figure anyway. Perhaps Chinese manufacturers would create plastic for sale cheap, as they are able to tool up pretty quickly - especially when GW has done all the sprue layout for them...

b) is there a crime in making miniatures that the parent company no longer produces and refuses to stock or support? (like said deamonettes? if enough reproduced models get on the market, they will bring down the crazy price by competing...)

Yes it's a crime if they still hold the copyright.

Just look at the "MAME" environment of old video games. The resurrection of old video games to be played on new PCs made the copyright holders realise they had a potential market - and hence they started enforcing their copyright.

One good thing that could come out of it is that they could start doing more special orders of old casts (such as the daemonettes etc) that are popular.

Ironically, the wraithguard on Australian ebay is now more expensive than you could buy them cheaply online in original packaging! The daemonettes that were sold also sold for well above the standard sticker price for 12.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I was not asking if it was against the law, I was asking if it was a crime.

Uh... no offense man, but the first and by far most commonly used definition of a crime is a violation of the law.

Can't really blame people for not knowing what you meant.

Oh - and speaking of how crazy ebay can be...

You can now buy this item:



for twice the price it costs from Forgeworld from ebay!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Warhammer-Epic-40K-Forge-World-Resin-Orkersaurus_W0QQitemZ170304185854QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Toys_Hobbies_Games?hash=item170304185854&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

(not suggesting at all that this is counterfeit - just pointing out the crazyness of ebay buying at times)

63 bucks for an epic model... wow.

holy crap someone must have been drunk when they bid on that

Or stupid, and think it's 40k scale.

Which, for once the Auction is actually 100% clear about!

Can anyone aside from the people who have contributed useful material (Inquisitor_bob, Two_heads_talking, that moderator back on Page 5) already contribute something towards the topic of dealing with counterfits or should I just ask to have this thread locked due to the rampant amount of nonsense and lack of decorum being thrown about?

This material is useful as there are people out there trying to take advantage of the general community but it's nearly impossible for anyone to find anything relevant if most of the comments don't address the issue specifically.

For me at least this is a pisser of an issue - I may have literally traded $100 in original GW models for counterfeits and I find that unacceptable. If you don't mind receiving fake goods, then by all means tell me you'll trade full retail/FMV for fakes as if they're originals and see if that crap isn't laughed off clean off the thread.

with an iron fist wrote:Can anyone aside from the people who have contributed useful material (Inquisitor_bob, Two_heads_talking, that moderator back on Page 5) already contribute something towards the topic of dealing with counterfits or should I just ask to have this thread locked due to the rampant amount of nonsense and lack of decorum being thrown about?

This material is useful as there are people out there trying to take advantage of the general community but it's nearly impossible for anyone to find anything relevant if most of the comments don't address the issue specifically.

For me at least this is a pisser of an issue - I may have literally traded $100 in original GW models for counterfeits and I find that unacceptable. If you don't mind receiving fake goods, then by all means tell me you'll trade full retail/FMV for fakes as if they're originals and see if that crap isn't laughed off clean off the thread.

Well first off I think anyone who pays full retail for any of this stuff is crazy, and/or has way too much disposable income. Though admittedly that's just my opinion. To answer your question though, if I traded original models for equal amounts of non legit models that were at least as good as the originals, well my honest answer to that is whoop de do. So yeah, there you go. If everyone else thinks that's laughable then so be it, but that's the truth.

LunaHound wrote:What i asked in other threads which is nothing to do with this thread, why you guys are using it for witch hunting me , is pretty rabid too.

Why do you think? Because we don't like you and want you to leave.