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Kilkrazy wrote:

Nah, that's just its stealth field working.

Last of my purchases:






Notes on these;

The mek had the most air bubbles of the four models I bought. Nothing that can't be filled though.

The doc had a lot of pipes for resin to flow through. I cut off the tip of the syringe on the buzzsaw arm accidentally, thinking it was another pipe. Easy enough to fix with a pin, but I didn't want people to think it was miscast and missing the needle.

There's a lot more flash in the slottabase with these finecast models...


I don't know if I got super-lucky with the ones I picked, or if the miscasts are more vocal. I didn't even really check the packs before I bought them (though I did make sure to open them before leaving the store), and I have no issues that cannot be addressed simply with a little model prep.

I got Grimgor Ironhide and the Chaos Khornes Exalted Hero. The skull on the pommel of Grimgor's short sword is missing a little bit at the side and some of the skulls on the Chaos Hero are a bit iffy but I think that's down to the medium being more unforgiving than metal. I was never that fussed about metal casts and neither of these issues are enough for me to ask for an exchange. some of the extreme pics here are a little worrying but I'd expect to see a few problem miniatures on the launch day. If it was 10% I'd be concerned but it does't seem that way. I will be looking carefully at any future purchases but I am not overly concerned. As long as the major detail on faces, weapons and shields are ok then I'm not that fussed.

Redbeard wrote:
I don't know if I got super-lucky with the ones I picked, or if the miscasts are more vocal. I didn't even really check the packs before I bought them (though I did make sure to open them before leaving the store), and I have no issues that cannot be addressed simply with a little model prep.

QFT.

I had the same experience with the Marneus Calgar box.

I have had some trouble with Chaplains -1 Had bottom of Crosiarch (wrong spelling. Should have just put power weapon) missing.
So the GW manager Gave me a Second and that had some problems with the shoulder pad and the Crosiarch (Seriously) but They where sorted by some green stuff.



People who whine about the Finecast models - Why? So what you have to spend a few more minutes fixing something but A - These are GW first Batch so they are a test Run. B - YOU will buy these models when you want a character or something so deal with it. And C - Stop finding the bad stuff and thinking its the end of the goddamn world.

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:People who whine about the Finecast models - Why? So what you have to spend a few more minutes fixing something but A - These are GW first Batch so they are a test Run. B - YOU will buy these models when you want a character or something so deal with it. And C - Stop finding the bad stuff and thinking its the end of the goddamn world.

bs my boy. When I want a mini I want a good one, as advertised, none of that "oh please, have mercy on us, this is a rushed product and a TEST batch so here have a new blister that might be better or not" gak. This is goddamn Games Workshop we're talking about, not melon-fething Forge World.

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:And C - Stop finding the bad stuff and thinking its the end of the goddamn world.

My daddy always says, "There's a bastard in every bunch."

Some people are only happy when they're complaining.

True

Well my friends the far away or blurred pictures on the folks claiming the casts are "good" ( actually everyone on those seem to say its a good cast and then say but the bubles in it ) and the in your face HD pics on the folks claiming the casts are not that good doesnt really leave me much space for doubts IMO.

The thing I was most afraid off with this switch was that if these would look like FW stuff and guess what, they do and in some pictures they are even worse... I'm trully gutted here, really sad day.

Getting these on a online store would be an all new nightmare since I cant check the blisters in person, guess I will skip these as much as I can.

I go back to my collection and see stuff 8 or more years ago in resin crispy clear from other manufacturers, today the crispy resins are the standart not the exception... Dont know what else to say but I'm a sad bug here looking at those nids in finecast.

These models, the clients and GW deserved better than this quality standart... or lack of it.

Brook - I felt annoyed when i had problems with the finecast. And I know GW should have done better But your saying FW is bad. facepalm I havent had anything bad from them yet.


The point im trying to make is If you think its so bad. Make your own models and then say that its rubbish.

From what i read so far, this models are terrible.

They are soft plastic, which means a- they are not going to last, b- bent parts cant be straightened and c- paint is going to fall off them.

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:Brook - I felt annoyed when i had problems with the finecast. And I know GW should have done better But your saying FW is bad. facepalm I havent had anything bad from them yet.


The point im trying to make is If you think its so bad. Make your own models and then say that its rubbish.

Did you join this site just to complain about people complaining?

Eh, no, these are NOT soft plastic, vader. They are made of a resin that gets soft if left in 90+ degree sunlight, soo....

_Tim?

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I cheat these days. I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I bought myself for Christmas and I use that. Little bit of cool water and dish soap and voila, everything's clean in a 5 minute cycle.

Hmm, there's one I never heard of. Looks like they run about $36 on Amazon, right? Have you tried greasy resin in it? Because that sounds like a worthwhile purchase.

I use mine to clean pistols with, so gun oil, grease, spent powder works like a charm.

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:Brook - I felt annoyed when i had problems with the finecast. And I know GW should have done better But your saying FW is bad. facepalm I havent had anything bad from them yet.


The point im trying to make is If you think its so bad. Make your own models and then say that its rubbish.

I HAVE made my own models, and these look like rubbish to me. Anybody with some resin, a pressure pot and half a brain can do a better job than that. The reason people are angry is that they hiked the price on already ridiculously expensive models, and the quality is far, far worse. You're paying GW to kick you in the balls.

xxvaderxx wrote:From what i read so far, this models are terrible.

They are soft plastic, which means a- they are not going to last, b- bent parts cant be straightened and c- paint is going to fall off them.

A Dunno about that
B Absolutely wrong. I just recently straightened the sword on my Emperors Champion with some hot tap water. No sort of memory effect and it turned soft pretty quick. Very easy to work with.
C depends a lot on your prep-work and/if you chew on your painted minis (Eldar taste a little better than Chaos Marines, usually)

I think as so often there is a bit of extremism going on from both ends of the spectrum.

Clearly there are some defects in some of the examples but overall the models are not "terrible". Metal also suffers from occasional casting problems and sometimes needs to be filled with putty. People should check their purchases and return badly defective samples for a refund.

The resin will cement easily and is much softer to cut for conversions. It may flake paint if flexed during games, only experience will tell us.

I'm not convinced about the claim that detail is much superior to metal. I have too many Infinity and Studio McVey models to think that metal and resin can't display equally good detail.

GW are uping the price of their models, yet you have to do more work with them!?! Since when is it ok to have to "filll in the small air holes" or "wash the model" before painting? Why should people even feel the need to suggest an ultrasonic cleaner, even though it is a useful tip.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that people are even saying these things. "A little bit of filler and it will be ok". Are you bloody mad? They tell us it's a cheaper material, but up the price and then produce models that have more flaws than the metal figures.

It's not unusual to have to fill and clean metal, resin or plastic models, especially GW kits which often aren't very well designed and moulded.

I don't think the Finecast resin is significantly worse in that respect.

I agree there is an issue with them describing the models as the best in the world. They aren't. But they aren't terrible, either.

Came back from the local gw store a bit earlier, got Coteaz, the jump chaplain and the shokk gun big mek. I was hoping for a sm captain in termie armor since i have a metal unassembled one in order to compare but the store guys couldn't tell me when they'd receive the other models at all.

I'm kinda new at this and only had plastic/metal minis until now so I don't know what to look for in resin flaws but the details do stand out more on the finecast side (thought i lack the side by side shot). What I can say though is the big mek has holes in the shoulder that holds the gun itself. I suppose it's fixable but still, a friggin 32,5€ mini. The chaplain's crozius is slightly bent, there's white residue on a few pieces, mainly Coteaz and a few bits here and there on the others, i guess cleaning is in order. Speaking of the lovely inquisitor, the store owner replaced the one I had picked up initially as the eagle was missing a beak. The new one I got has it sporting a 3rd wing made of flash There's LOOOTS of it all over.

I took some macro shots of the untouched sprues I could upload if people want those models but would rather look at them first.

I wanted those models and do not like metal, but I expected more of this new line of products. The price hike and the ridiculous amount of chest bumping GW makes of this release adds even more ridicule to it imo.

Kilkrazy wrote:It's not unusual to have to fill and clean metal, resin or plastic models, especially GW kits which often aren't very well designed and moulded.

I don't think the Finecast resin is significantly worse in that respect.

I agree there is an issue with them describing the models as the best in the world. They aren't. But they aren't terrible, either.

Are you sure? In all the time that I played with GW models I think I must of come across about half a dozen faulty models and they were proper miscasts. The only time I've had to fil a model was if it was resin. Which is fine, as you except that this is the case with resin, but given the decription so far on these models and what they are supposed to represent, I'm not impressed.

Even back when I bought RTB01 you were advised to clean your minis before painting them. As well as filling any gaps or defects with Milliput (no green stuff back then) or similar. It's weird you haven't heard of that until now.

Kanluwen wrote:
They can do better, but they haven't been doing that good even in metal. To pretend that this is somehow 'omg how could this happen!' when it's a new medium is ridiculous.

Really? Because I have 200 sisters of battle that say otherwise. Painted even. I say they are doing better in metal then you claim.

Wolfstan wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It's not unusual to have to fill and clean metal, resin or plastic models, especially GW kits which often aren't very well designed and moulded.

I don't think the Finecast resin is significantly worse in that respect.

I agree there is an issue with them describing the models as the best in the world. They aren't. But they aren't terrible, either.

Are you sure? In all the time that I played with GW models I think I must of come across about half a dozen faulty models and they were proper miscasts. The only time I've had to fil a model was if it was resin. Which is fine, as you except that this is the case with resin, but given the decription so far on these models and what they are supposed to represent, I'm not impressed.

Krootoxen, Tau Devilfish and Hammerheads. Tau Battlesuits and SM Land Speeders are notorious for the poor quality of moulding. It's a pretty widespread problem.

The Zoanthrope and Venomthrope models need some filling though you can get away with just Araldite if you are careful.

I think any long time modeller must have had to deal with some kind of issue. Some companies like Tamiya are top notch but GW, old time Airfix and some of the new eastern bloc companies are fairly poor.

I agree with the point about the description being misleading.

People who whine about the Finecast models - Why? So what you have to spend a few more minutes fixing something but A - These are GW first Batch so they are a test Run. B - YOU will buy these models when you want a character or something so deal with it. And C - Stop finding the bad stuff and thinking its the end of the goddamn world.

A: Depends what it is that is wrong and whether or not someone has the necessary skills to fix it.

Why are GW selling a test run at more than the metal cost ?
That raises more questions about GW than you have answered.
Including, if I spend 15 smackers on a single figure, I "goddam" expect better than having chunks missing and it shouldn't need fixing in the first place.

B: I WON'T buy these models if I want a character and don't tell me to deal with it Sonnyjim

C: If GW were not selling rejects at full cost there would not be anything to find

D: Why is it, that people,on seeing something they disagree with, feel compelled to dismiss the statement by calling it whining/bitching etc?

E: In any case I never whine, I grump. At my age it is a pre requisite, so "deal with it" and stop finding BAD STUFF to whine about.

We had the start of the end of the world last week. Pity you weren't here in time for the party. It was a hoot!

I got a Finecast techmarine today and and was really impressed with the detail but also how easy it is to convert. The only problem was mine was a slight loss of detail on the servo-harness's flamer, however the store manager swiftly opened a whole new pack and presented me with a new flamer.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
C: If GW were not selling rejects at full cost there would not be anything to find

Yeah, right.

GW could be giving them away and people would complain about it.
Just like if they had done what someone suggested earlier and given White Dwarf subscribers a free FineCast model--it inevitably would have been people complaining "I don't play X, they gave me X! They should have given me Y, the tools!".

Wolfstan wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It's not unusual to have to fill and clean metal, resin or plastic models, especially GW kits which often aren't very well designed and moulded.

I don't think the Finecast resin is significantly worse in that respect.

I agree there is an issue with them describing the models as the best in the world. They aren't. But they aren't terrible, either.

Are you sure? In all the time that I played with GW models I think I must of come across about half a dozen faulty models and they were proper miscasts. The only time I've had to fil a model was if it was resin. Which is fine, as you except that this is the case with resin, but given the decription so far on these models and what they are supposed to represent, I'm not impressed.

In over 10,000pts of metal models (at least 6,000pts of which I still own), I've never had a casting defect with a metal GW model. While I've consistently complained about their price increases and business decisions, I've never complained about the quality of their metal casting (the sculpting is occasionally ugly but the casting of that ugly sculpt has always been dead on). The only thing that ever bothered me with one of their metals was the large amount of the little metal tags/pips that are easily removed but also easily missed (I tend to notice a third of them only AFTER priming). My 80 fig 2nd/3rd edition metal marine army has no plastic figs and no defects... my old 60 fig 2nd edition IG army had no defects. I'm glad that not *ALL* the figs have FW level defects in casting (which should have been caught during packaging or some other QA step), the pics I've seen posted in these threads indicate a definite decrease in the overall level of quality. It may not be the end of the world but that aspect is certainly worse. Is the increased chance of a miscast plus higher cost counterbalanced by a material that is easier to work with and more accident resistant? That's an individual decsion with no right or wrong answer globally.

Read the post that I quoted.

These are GW first Batch so they are a test Run

The line that people will complain if GW gives things away is not going to wash.
It does not counter the fact that if these are indeed only the product of a test run, then GW are being disingenuous and fraudulent knowingly selling faulty goods as being in good order.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Read the post that I quoted.

These are GW first Batch so they are a test Run

The line that people will complain if GW gives things away is hypothetical.

People complained when the two free AoBR models were in White Dwarf. People complained about the 'free' veteran sergeant(powerfist raised over his head, beaky helmet, storm bolter and wearing 'Sternguard' styled armor) that came free with every $60 or more order from GW's webstore a few years back.

It does not counter the fact that if these are indeed only the product of a test run, then GW are being disingenuous and fraudulent knowingly selling faulty goods as being in good order.

If they were in fact the product of a first test run that should not have been sold, then yes GW will have to put up with the bad press. I'm not thinking that's the case here, however, and it simply just results from a perfect storm of overworked packers, GW painting themselves into a corner with a ridiculously stupid deadline for revamping their entire range of metal models currently in full scale production, and not properly doing test runs before full casting runs were started.

TL;DR version for you lot who will love to quote me out of context: GW's too stupid to do test runs and is more likely to just push product out the door to ensure the shinies get out to the masses.