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NAVARRO wrote:Another Review here

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87820

I constantly see the same problems in ALL these reviews... You dont even need to read, just looking at pictures you are clarified.

Damn.

Edit: on the review he refered something about the ratio and mould material on blisters

It took 6 packs to get this model, which was the least affected of the bunch. Several of the rejected models actually had mould material stuck to them

Still I have to wonder why this guy paid the money for it. Whether it takes 1, 6 or 20 packs, you can clearly look inside to check out the quality of the front & sides of the miniature at least, so if there is no acceptable cast among them then don't buy any at all. And don't buy anything unseen if you want to be sure you don't get a miscast. Simple as that.

Obviously it sucks, but it's his own fault that he still made the purchase.

If he bought it for reviewing purpose only, then why would anyone want to waste their money just to review a miniature you know is defective before buying it. I'm sure there were miniatures other than 6 defective Sterns around @ Warhammer World which were cast perfectly fine, but yet he chose to review a flawed one instead.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll be presenting the Commissar Calgar review of the 'Finecost' Ork Shokk Attack Gun later on...

I'm really excited about this review in particular since the SAG was one of the first metal minis I ever got, and I am intimately familiar with the details on it.

pixelpusher wrote:Ghazkulls bolter arm had a ton of mold release left on it plus some air bubbles that will not be fixable. I plan to use the return policy for that one tomorrow

What are you referring to by mold release - silicone grease or similar? I had read you'd be able to paint these right out of the blister without priming, but doubted that could possibly be true. That really would be revolutionary.

There is nothing to stop you painting right out of the blister
Not sure what colour scheme to give the gates though!

I think they meant that there is no need to wash and prime the model.

Wow thats gotta suck,

What about the mould release material that some people have reported on models?

I think it is a good precaution to wash any model which has been handled.

I run mine through the dishwasher.

TBD wrote:Still I have to wonder why this guy payed the money for it. Whether it takes 1, 6 or 20 packs, you can clearly look inside to check out the quality of the front & sides of the miniature at least, so if there is no acceptable cast among them then don't buy any at all. And don't buy anything unseen if you want to be sure you don't get a miscast. Simple as that.

It looks like at least some of the worst miscasting was on the backs of the feet, which are obscured by the front of the packaging. Also, I think you're assuming he bought 6, and I think what he meant was, he had them open 6 until he found this one, which was the best. I know that it's popular at GWS White Knight HQ© to claim that people are intentionally finding the worst models and then posting negative reviews just to make GWS look bad, but in this case claiming he spent $143 to do so is veering into Truther\Birther territory in it's unlikelihood. That theory also requires you to very consciously pretend he didn't say any of the good stuff he said, or that his bottom line wasn't that ultimately this is a better method if they get the QA down.

TBD wrote:Obviously it sucks, but it's his own fault that he still made the purchase.

Well, that's one perspective. Myself, I'd tend to blame GWS for shipping substandard merchandise in the first place. But it is a valid point that by buying this crap, you're perpetuating it.

More pics "cause it happened"...

Abbadon: (even easier to clean up than the libby, and no issues I noticed).

Kilkrazy wrote:I run mine through the dishwasher.

Hm, with these guys I might be worried about warping, no matter how cool you run it. I tend to wash all my models in this rectangular tupperware thing I have with lukewarm water and dish soap, let soak for a few hours then wash. If they are metal or resin I also hit them with an old soft toothbrush a little (I skip this step on plastic).

Ouze wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I run mine through the dishwasher.

Hm, with these guys I might be worried about warping, no matter how cool you run it. I tend to wash all my models in this rectangular tupperware thing I have with lukewarm water and dish soap, let soak for a few hours then wash. If they are metal or resin I also hit them with an old soft toothbrush a little (I skip this step on plastic).

I cheat these days. I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I bought myself for Christmas and I use that. Little bit of cool water and dish soap and voila, everything's clean in a 5 minute cycle.

Redbeard wrote:Abbadon: (even easier to clean up than the libby, and no issues I noticed)

The saddest part of this whole business was that when the rumors started, but before they started materializing into this, I began hoping that, among other things, Abbadon would finally get the model he deserves. :(

TBD wrote:*snip*
If he bought it for reviewing purpose only, then why would anyone want to waste their money just to review a miniature you know is defective before buying it. I'm sure there were miniatures other than 6 defective Sterns around @ Warhammer World which were cast perfectly fine, but yet he chose to review a flawed one instead.

Hmmmm let me see.... because he wanted a new Stern maybe??!!

@KK, there was a post somewhere else that said there was bright pink mould on the model that had to be removed. But after that the mini was ready to paint (sans primer) after a quick wash.

@Redbeard, the sword is warped i think, or at least not particularly straight.

Kanluwen wrote:I cheat these days. I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I bought myself for Christmas and I use that. Little bit of cool water and dish soap and voila, everything's clean in a 5 minute cycle.

Hmm, there's one I never heard of. Looks like they run about $36 on Amazon, right? Have you tried greasy resin in it? Because that sounds like a worthwhile purchase.

Ouze wrote:The saddest part of this whole business was that when the rumors started, but before they started materializing into this, I began hoping that, among other things, Abbadon would finally get the model he deserves. :(

After all those failures? He's got the model he deserves.

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I cheat these days. I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I bought myself for Christmas and I use that. Little bit of cool water and dish soap and voila, everything's clean in a 5 minute cycle.

Hmm, there's one I never heard of. Looks like they run about $36 on Amazon, right? Have you tried greasy resin in it? Because that sounds like a worthwhile purchase.

Oh yes. It works pretty nice on greasy resin. Sometimes if it's really really greasy though, it's best to put a little Simple Green in and go from there.

Good grief talk about lazy
get thee the old toothbrush and elbow grease
$35 for an unnecessary gizmo indeed!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Good grief talk about lazy
get thee the old toothbrush and elbow grease
$35 for an unnecessary gizmo indeed!

I actually bought it to clean and restore small car parts.

The stripping paint and cleaning miniatures is a happy coincidence.

Ouze wrote:

pixelpusher wrote:Ghazkulls bolter arm had a ton of mold release left on it plus some air bubbles that will not be fixable. I plan to use the return policy for that one tomorrow

What are you referring to by mold release - silicone grease or similar? I had read you'd be able to paint these right out of the blister without priming, but doubted that could possibly be true. That really would be revolutionary.

Dunno what this gunk is. I don't want to speculate... it looks much like something entirely different ^_^ (I need to clean my lense as well... the black spots are dust not air bubbles.)
The mold itself is pink-ish. Found some under Ghazkulls feet.

I wouldn't paint these – or anything really – out of the box. You'll add enough grease and stuff just by handling the mini while assembling. I clean and degrase with some simple green before and after assembly.

What the...? What is that? It looks all misshapen as well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:What the...? What is that? It looks all misshapen as well.

It's supposed to be Ghazzy's arm.

That's a definite case of "Take it back and cause a stink".

That looks like an old mold that was wearing out----was coated with Mold Release to extend its shelf life (then poured too quickly after the release was sprayed in the mold)----yet degenerated/broke apart when the model was demolded. If you pour resin into a recently Quick Release sprayed mold----it will cause some setting issues (along with cellophane looking resin).

The Cliff Note version is it looks like gak.

It's Ghazkulls bolter arm. Blown up fullsize with a macro lense and flash.

That sprue really is bad. The rest of the parts haven't got the gunk, but are severely misaligned. Only on that sprue though. Guess it was the last lemon of the batch or something.

EDIT
I spoke to the salesdude about just this thing. He was very upfront with me taking it back if I found anything I wasn't pleased with. Just as usual. If I hadn't been in a hurry (had all of 5 minutes in the GW-store before I had to run to the train) I would've opened it up in the store.

TBD wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Another Review here

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87820

I constantly see the same problems in ALL these reviews... You dont even need to read, just looking at pictures you are clarified.

Damn.

Edit: on the review he refered something about the ratio and mould material on blisters

It took 6 packs to get this model, which was the least affected of the bunch. Several of the rejected models actually had mould material stuck to them

Still I have to wonder why this guy payed the money for it. Whether it takes 1, 6 or 20 packs, you can clearly look inside to check out the quality of the front & sides of the miniature at least, so if there is no acceptable cast among them then don't buy any at all. And don't buy anything unseen if you want to be sure you don't get a miscast. Simple as that.

Obviously it sucks, but it's his own fault that he still made the purchase.

If he bought it for reviewing purpose only, then why would anyone want to waste their money just to review a miniature you know is defective before buying it. I'm sure there were miniatures other than 6 defective Sterns around @ Warhammer World which were cast perfectly fine, but yet he chose to review a flawed one instead.

Nope - I went out, explicitly to pick up a Stern. I have a metal GKT squad and two full squads of metal PAGK that I neglected to get an HQ for. Stern 'completes the set'.

The mini I picked up has flaws, sure - but nothing I wouldn't actually expect in a high-end aimed resin (eg Forgeworld). After 20 years modelling I know more than enough tricks to fix it without tears. It's in a state out of the pack where taking it back would be more effort than doing the fixes.

Incidentally I reckon about a 90% 'fail rate' (to my somewhat exacting standard) on what was on the shelf. Sure there were things like the Commissar that seemed quite nicely cast, but at the end of the day, I don't need a Commissar.

Edit: I did not buy 6 minis to get this one. The clear packaging is good like that - you can take a look and see if it's duff. However when I told the shop guy that the rest were miscast he said he'd have a look later. This said the store was rammed, (as it often is on a Saturday) and I doubt he had a chance.

pixelpusher wrote:

Oh lord! Someone get me the bucket *hrblt*

looks like gw packers need eye tests

H.B.M.C. wrote:What the...? What is that? It looks all misshapen as well.

Just piping in here as that appears on a lot of things - it seems to be rubber from the mould itself. That's right. Rubber.

We discovered a whole load on the Azhag that I helped put together for the local GW to display. It's very rubbery indeed.

GW really needs a freaking lesson in QA.

Makes you wonder what models didn't make the cut...

I think we can strike down GW's assertion that these things don't need to be cleaned before painting

Here's a pic of the new resin Tau Sniper Drone.

As you can see there is a serious problem with air bubbles.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:From what Watching Paint Dry said on a video review (in another thread? I'm getting confused) there is a bit of shrinkage with metal as it cools.
Plastic resin doesn't which is why it retains the crispness of detail, and maybe why the staff is a tad taller.

Totally agree Mr P

Yep, this thread.

I didn't see any sign of mold release on my stuff or anything bad other than a few bubbles. Compared to metal its light years ahead. Hopefully everybody who got a bad one gets a refund or exchange. From the models I've seen opened the quality is really great.

DarkStarSabre wrote:Just piping in here as that appears on a lot of things - it seems to be rubber from the mould itself. That's right. Rubber.

We discovered a whole load on the Azhag that I helped put together for the local GW to display. It's very rubbery indeed.

Strange. I see that occasionally on my own molds as they get old. I thought GWS had metal molds, though.