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@ Miss Dee - The vast majority of the finecast models are simply recasts of the original sculpts. So no new Techmarine model with conversion beamer - just the same old Techmarine model made out of cheaper easier broken material that costs you more money!! (forgive my bitterness)

So am I right in assuming that GW are still selling metal models from their website as long as they haven't replaced that model with failcast? Now I can just hope that they don't replace my fabourite metals before I get the chance to buy them!!!

Why cant they just upgrade the minis with bits from the codex that the first batch dont have ....

TBD wrote:

doghouse wrote:I bought the Coteaz, Commissar and the EC. I think my local store must have got a good batch because mine are seriously nice models with no flaws what so ever.

I was looking at several of each of those exact three models too today, and all of them were of very good quality & without any noticable flaws. Maybe some miniatures/molds lend themselves better for the new material than others, Idk.

Yeah certainly seems that way. I must admit I'm over the moon with mine but a lot of people I know are saying they have quite a few miscasts so I figure I must have been quite lucky. A mate of mine bought the commissar as well and said he had quite a few little air bubbles where as mine is honestly flawless and looks like a plastic model.

I toyed with getting the techmarine but as it is a boxed set and you can't see the model I decided against it. I think they should stick a transparent window on the back of boxes so you can check them out before you buy if this is the way forward or they'll end up with load of angry customers sending stuff back.

The store staff claimed these are most likely starting up problems because they had to fill all the stores so quickly.

Willingness to sell poor quality goods at full retail price is rather silly however good GW's Customer Care.

doghouse wrote:I think they should stick a transparent window on the back of boxes so you can check them out before you buy if this is the way forward or they'll end up with load of angry customers sending stuff back.

I hear what you're saying - but surely their quality control means that no miscast models should even be boxed, let alone sent out to the shops! Its the manufacturers job to make a working product, not the customers job to avoid a broken product.

As it happens I don't think there are any Finecast models I want, however if there were I would simply open them at the counter to check them.

Due to past experiences, when I buy boxed items I always ask to open them in the shop to check they are OK.

It took me three tries to get a set of Commander Shadowsun with all the correct parts. (She's a special order item, too.)

As was said earlier no QC is 100% foolproof, SJ.





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Maybe GW could take a leaf out of confectioners' books and sell off bags of misshapes cheap

I've had trouble with GW mail order in the past. Loads of trouble. Key examples include a box of nine Valhallans and one Ork Burna arm and a LotR human with banner and on foot instead of a single, bannerless, ork. Because, you know, those things look similar. If GW mail order can't spot the difference here, then their QA spotting miscasts seems unlikely.

htj wrote:I've had trouble with GW mail order in the past. Loads of trouble. Key examples include a box of nine Valhallans and one Ork Burna arm and a LotR human with banner and on foot instead of a single, bannerless, ork. Because, you know, those things look similar. If GW mail order can't spot the difference here, then their QA spotting miscasts seems unlikely.

More like eye sight tests.

But to be fair these things happen
I ordered a mouse from an ebay seller and was sent someone else's parrot (Norwegian Bluetooth if memory serves!)

Citadel Finecast models;





Proving Russian counterfeiters are better resin casters than major corporations since 2010

AgeOfEgos wrote:Citadel Finecast models;





Proving Russian counterfeiters are better resin casters than major corporations since 2010


Picture may have been photoshopped, I can tell by the pixels

Oh my god. literally CHUNKS of the mini is missing, by far the worst "failgakmiscastcost" mini i've ever seen

Well, other than being completely photoshopped its a nice pic. . .

Has a leaf-cutter bee been at that or was it badly cropped in photo-shop?

Read the small print...

But is that a real model, or photoshop?

I just got home from GW. I bought four models, the terminator librarian, ork mek w/ forcefield, ork painboy, and Ababadbabdbadon. Having read the thread before going there, I opened all packages at the counter.

Nothing glaringly wrong on any of the four. I'm now looking them over more closely, as I remove parts from sprues. Unless there's demand, I'm not going to photo this, because there's not much to see. I may post pics when I have got them all desprued and gone through the mold-line removal process (which I do for metals, plastics, FW and whatever else). But so far, no problems.

Also, the store manager was casually throwing one of their demo models around the store, tossing it to customers. It dropped a couple of times with no ill effects, not even glued-on components were damaged. So I thought that was interesting, it's apparently not a fragile material.

LunaHound wrote:
Arnt you forgetting something? If i want to start working on a project , and its defective , you know i have to call them and wait 2-3 weeks for replacement to arrive?
Maybe you are the type that drools over the free extra bits from replacement , but i rather not have a defective one in the first place.
Also the GW in Canada dont send the whole kit. They only send me the part that i describe was defective.

It doesnt need to be 100% perfect , but it sure seem to have a rather high % of defects especially for a product that just LAUNCHED.
If GW is seriously trying to win its customers over for a supposedly superior product , then by all means they should be EVEN MORE SO careful.

Fair enough, but if the purchases are made in a store, you can examine the models before purchasing, which I've always done for metal blisters as well. I would also argue the few pictures posted here are not indicative of quality across the range. I'm sure most people who have received perfectly fine models aren't going to bother posting up pictures of them. With the recent announcements in policy changes and prices rises, I think alot of people here are looking for anything else they can find to criticize GW. However, if there is a widespread issue of quality issues, it should certainly be addressed, and GW has a pretty good track record in that regard.

I had some missing studded pads from an FW order I called on wednesday of thursday arrived via Urchin Postal Service on friday morning.

filbert wrote:Read the small print...

Come on Filbert, I have to read the LARGE PRINT books from the library these days.
How do you expect me to see the small print?

Been needing to buy a libby specifically and I hate metal models so this is superb news to me. Thanks for the review. I was very fond of the liberal use of "BAM" throughout.

Another Review here

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87820

I constantly see the same problems in ALL these reviews... You dont even need to read, just looking at pictures you are clarified.

Damn.

Edit: on the review he refered something about the ratio and mould material on blisters

It took 6 packs to get this model, which was the least affected of the bunch. Several of the rejected models actually had mould material stuck to them

I'm hoping the 10-15 or so people complaining about miscasts are just being outspoken and the several thousands who bought them and aren't complaining got perfectly fine models.

It makes sense if you got a nice model you'd just happily build it, where if you got a miscast you'd be understandably furious and want other people to know.

I'm pretty excited about the Hive Tyrant and Hive Guard. I've always had to buy them assembled (or not at all in case of the Tyrant) because I wasn't willing to drill into $20+ metal models and "see how it works".

Griever wrote:I'm hoping the 10-15 or so people complaining about miscasts are just being outspoken and the several thousands who bought them and aren't complaining got perfectly fine models.

It makes sense if you got a nice model you'd just happily build it, where if you got a miscast you'd be understandably furious and want other people to know.

I'm pretty excited about the Hive Tyrant and Hive Guard. I've always had to buy them assembled (or not at all in case of the Tyrant) because I wasn't willing to drill into $20+ metal models and "see how it works".

Pics or it didn't happen. If there are literally so many people w/ perfect product, there is no reason they can't take 5 minutes to post a pic of said perfect product. As far as I'm aware only the poster who purchased two Tyrannid models has posted pics of a nicely molded model. And I'm seeing way more than 10-15 people complaining.

Ignorance may be bliss for some as they won't be able to spot the issues.
As much as we may know what to look for there will be a lot more buying a model they can feel more confident in working with and the minor problems will simply be ignored.

Here you go mate.

Not a great shot because my camera is a bit rubbish but they are really nice in person. The commissar genuinely looks like he is a plastic model now that I've cleaned the flash off and they convert like a dream.



edit: Here's link to the same picture but larger:

http://i55.tinypic.com/11jpwnq.jpg

Rymafyr wrote:

Griever wrote:I'm hoping the 10-15 or so people complaining about miscasts are just being outspoken and the several thousands who bought them and aren't complaining got perfectly fine models.

It makes sense if you got a nice model you'd just happily build it, where if you got a miscast you'd be understandably furious and want other people to know.

I'm pretty excited about the Hive Tyrant and Hive Guard. I've always had to buy them assembled (or not at all in case of the Tyrant) because I wasn't willing to drill into $20+ metal models and "see how it works".

Pics or it didn't happen. If there are literally so many people w/ perfect product, there is no reason they can't take 5 minutes to post a pic of said perfect product. As far as I'm aware only the poster who purchased two Tyrannid models has posted pics of a nicely molded model. And I'm seeing way more than 10-15 people complaining.

Well, it was nicely moulded apart from the bits that were badly moulded.

Rymafyr wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen. If there are literally so many people w/ perfect product, there is no reason they can't take 5 minutes to post a pic of said perfect product. As far as I'm aware only the poster who purchased two Tyrannid models has posted pics of a nicely molded model. And I'm seeing way more than 10-15 people complaining.

Okay, here are high res (4x actual size) photos of my librarian. I just finished prepping it - maybe 20-30 minutes.

My review:

There are several smaller bubbles. These aren't a big deal, and will fill easily. They're almost all on the underside of the model, so even if not filled, would be hard to notice.

My shoulderpad on the staff arm had a clump of excess resin in between the edge and body of the shoulderpad. This was the only place I needed to use my dremel to clean out. (Compared with using 2 or 3 times on my metal version of the same model).

The material is VERY easy to work with. I did all my prep with just my hobby knife, except the aforementioned single dremel use. It's almost too easy to work with - I think I trimmed away something I shouldn't have, although no one will notice it. It also cleans nicer than metal, there were places that I could get my hobby knife that on a metal model, I'd have been unable to get the file.

It cleans up in reasonable time. I don't know if it was faster to prep this than the metal one, but it certainly didn't take longer.

Detail really stands out. I didn't realize there was a lightning bolt under the book on his shoulderpad.

It's very slightly bigger than metal - the staff is roughly 1mm taller on the finecast. Not a big deal, as 1mm over a 55 cm staff is maybe 2% difference.

Anyhow, I'm not at all upset, I don't see any huge problem, and the pics are here, because it did happen ;p

They do look very smooth. Just looking at the writing on the tab, which is nice and sharp too.

I think a lot of early casts have had problems, hopefully future casts will be consistent. I think GWS have just rushed the first lot out. I'm not entirely sure why though. Surely they still had metal miniatures on the shelves?

I think they should of taken their time doing it. Hell, they should of stuck a free Finecast miniature on the front of WD before switching. Everybody likes free stuff

EDIT: @ doghouse images

Got the Emprahs Champion and Ghazzie today.

Emperors Champion was without flaws.

Ghazkulls bolter arm had a ton of mold release left on it plus some air bubbles that will not be fixable. I plan to use the return policy for that one tomorrow. All the other sprues (3 out of 4) was without any unexpected flaws or missing details.

YMMV etc.

From what Watching Paint Dry said on a video review (in another thread? I'm getting confused) there is a bit of shrinkage with metal as it cools.
Plastic resin doesn't which is why it retains the crispness of detail, and maybe why the staff is a tad taller.

Totally agree Mr P