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Very hmmmmm so far... they seem to be selling like hotcakes though anyway; On the GW website, on the product pages:

"Due to high demand, each Citadel Finecast product is limited to 3 three per customer"

If they really are that shoddy there's going to be a hell of a mess when they all get sent back in the post.

Getting reports from other forums of people being informed they have to send back the miscast models to get a replacement, they can't just ring up Direct and get a replacement sent out.

Those phones lines are going to be red hot this coming week....

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll be presenting the Commissar Calgar review of the 'Finecost' Ork Shokk Attack Gun later on...

I'm not sold on Finecost as a term of derision. To me it implies that the cost is fine. Which, well, it's not.

AvatarForm wrote:
Not one bought at the GW Cairns today could be shown without flaws.

The display items in the window were clearly the "best" they could find, and even those were not flawless.

To be honest, the new resin hybrid seems to be taking the assembly to new skill levels while the sprues themselves seem to make the initial clipping and cleaning mroe painful.

Gamers and hobbyists should now be asking themselves:

"Are these premium prices really worth my time?"

Bad tidings indeed. I really don't want the answer to be no.

htj wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll be presenting the Commissar Calgar review of the 'Finecost' Ork Shokk Attack Gun later on...

I'm not sold on Finecost as a term of derision. To me it implies that the cost is fine. Which, well, it's not.

Failcast?
Failcost?
FIN£CA$T?
Moneycost?

Judging by the rumours coming out recently, i think the most appropriate sobriquet thus far is Failcast

Grimtuff wrote:

htj wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll be presenting the Commissar Calgar review of the 'Finecost' Ork Shokk Attack Gun later on...

I'm not sold on Finecost as a term of derision. To me it implies that the cost is fine. Which, well, it's not.

Failcast?
Failcost?
FIN£CA$T?
Moneycost?

Overpriced-shoddy-product... cast. Or 'this new resin muck.'

I'm gonna go with Failcast.

Grimtuff wrote:Getting reports from other forums of people being informed they have to send back the miscast models to get a replacement, they can't just ring up Direct and get a replacement sent out.

Those phones lines are going to be red hot this coming week....

So not only do I have to wait even longer to get the product I paid for, now I have to ship it to them on MY dime? Paying even more money, and probably ending up with something of comparable quality to the miscast crap I bought in the first place?

If that's true then GW will have really hit the gakker, their customer service isn't even worth praising anymore.

Unix wrote:I guess the real question GW should ask is;


What will be your first returned Citadel Finecast Model?

Haha.

This all seems rushed, which would explain the problems.

Personally I am dismayed by what I have read and seen so far. I have only been building models for a few months and absolutely HATE the metal ones. Reading these reports about fine cast has prompted me to go buy all the figures I need in metal.

For the price they are charging there is no way they can't afford to have staff QC these things properly. I find it hard to believe that GW are not aware of the state of their "finecasts" when they released them.

grak wrote:

Unix wrote:I guess the real question GW should ask is;


What will be your first returned Citadel Finecast Model?

Haha.

This all seems rushed, which would explain the problems.

I think that's probably what happened, they were rushing to try and get all these things cast and sent out to stores. Things should get better over time, or one would hope anyway.

I know everyone is eagre to write this off as a failure, but can we actually wait til more than 3 hours after launch before we start hailing annedotal evidence as the norm?

For instance at GW Milton Keynes the staff were nice enough to let me break open a Seer Council box to see the model quality and how it was like to assemble; the only issue I could see was that the Warlocks Staff was ever so slightly bent if you looked at it from a specific angle - you always see this in metal figures. The material itself was fantastic, but of course like some of the doomsayers on this thread I'm also biased, since I don't like metal.

So basically my annedote is that there is no miscast issue from what I saw; I could have been lucky, or it could be the norm. I'll be interested to see what the picture is like over the next few days before drawing any further conclusions.

Kilkrazy wrote:

AngelGrinder wrote:Just been to the shop, bought my first Hive Guard, the detail does look a little better, but the whole tounge is miscast and looks like flash....





The rest looks ok, but not a good first impression, and not for £15.50. I'm considering returning it, but have a feeling it will now be 'can I find the lest mis-cast model' and don't want to end up with a worse one. The price they charge though, surely someone would be having a look over the damn thing before it was being shipped off?

I hate to add to your woe but the vertical spines on the tail are clearly miscast too.

FYI: The tongue on the metals of these was the same, and had to be filed down. (Something I did very recently). The 'miscast vertical spines' are actually vents, and simply need to be clipped off.

I'm reserving any judgement on these until a little later today, when I hit GW and see them for myself. I'll post my thoughts later.

I bought the Coteaz, Commissar and the EC. I think my local store must have got a good batch because mine are seriously nice models with no flaws what so ever. Detail is really crisp and there is minimal flash and virtually no moldlines.
The Coteaz model has now got to be my all time favourite GW model.

It does seem that a lot of people are getting duff models though which is a real shame.

Redbeard wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

AngelGrinder wrote:Just been to the shop, bought my first Hive Guard, the detail does look a little better, but the whole tounge is miscast and looks like flash....





The rest looks ok, but not a good first impression, and not for £15.50. I'm considering returning it, but have a feeling it will now be 'can I find the lest mis-cast model' and don't want to end up with a worse one. The price they charge though, surely someone would be having a look over the damn thing before it was being shipped off?

I hate to add to your woe but the vertical spines on the tail are clearly miscast too.

FYI: The tongue on the metals of these was the same, and had to be filed down. (Something I did very recently). The 'miscast vertical spines' are actually vents, and simply need to be clipped off.

O'RLY?

Yeah, let's hope it's teething troubles.

I have the new Marneus Calgar with Honour Guard kit and I can say that there are very few flaws. Probable the same as metal, but they are more obvious in resin because of the colour. I took some close up pics and HD video for a review video and posted it on my blog (http://itslikewatchingpaintdry.blogspot.com/)

Guards talked too much anyway.

Grimtuff wrote:

Redbeard wrote:

FYI: The tongue on the metals of these was the same, and had to be filed down. (Something I did very recently). The 'miscast vertical spines' are actually vents, and simply need to be clipped off.

O'RLY?
...

I stand corrected. I did not actually pull mine out for comparison and those look so bad I just figured it was smooth carapace all the way down. Wow, that is bad.

Are miscasts really that common or is this just a case of all the people with miscasts exploding all over the internet, while the people with decent models are off painting theirs?

This actually has me worried, I was planning on buying a few of the Eldar sets from Malstrom before the embargo.

Redbeard wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

Redbeard wrote:

FYI: The tongue on the metals of these was the same, and had to be filed down. (Something I did very recently). The 'miscast vertical spines' are actually vents, and simply need to be clipped off.

O'RLY?
...

I stand corrected. I did not actually pull mine out for comparison and those look so bad I just figured it was smooth carapace all the way down. Wow, that is bad.

That leads to another problem, if you are not aware of all the details in the sculpted model you can by accident confuse flash or bursted bubbles with the actual sculpt... this is a clear sign to how bad this cast is, when you can't figure out whats the model and whats the flash/gates/bubbles/sprue ...

carmachu wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

I think most of you guys need to buy some damn tissues, take a shower to cool off and grow the feth up. If the finecast line fails so what, HOPEFULLY GW learns its lesson and wont screw up so badly next time. I doubt itll go that far though. They have done awesome on other ventuers. APOC was a gamble for them, and we simply cant get enough of the giant tanks/stompas/titans and every army redue they have done lately has been simply fantastic looking. Who wants to really try and argue that the DE resculpts are anything but awesome? Go ahead and try, Ill mail you a fist in the mouth for trying to look cool on da interwebz.

i think someone is ignorant and needs a history lesson on GW. Apoc was NOT much of a gamble for them. Folks, even at events, we're playing large scale gams of GW with lots of tanks and titans long before Apoc came about. They just now benefit from it.

Ignorant on some things sure, but not on this. You are the one that not only needs a history lesson, but also a lesson in manners. Just because people made cardboard titans didnt mean it was a sure thing for GW to make massive plastic models and price them at over $100 each. That was a pretty big gameble for them at the time, they didnt know how well the APOC set was going to sell, if its numbers were too soft they would had to of pulled the plug and take the loss. You cant look at how well APOC sells NOW and say nope, your a stupid head for saying it was a gamble then. So enjoy that high horse your sitting on and keep pretending your the king of right



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KingCracker wrote:I think most of you guys need to buy some damn tissues, take a shower to cool off and grow the feth up ... Go ahead and try, Ill mail you a fist in the mouth for trying to look cool on da interwebz.

KingCracker wrote:You are the one that not only needs a history lesson, but also a lesson in manners.

You giving the lessons?

I've just bought the Harlequin Death Jester and the Empire Captain w hammer & pistol at my local GW store:

Both are perfectly fine, except for one of the two small knives sticking out of the Captain's helmet which is missing. I already noticed that before buying it though, and since I was planning on removing those knives anyway I didn't mind.

As far as the blisters go, just inspect the content even more carefully than before to make sure you don't get flawed items. I checked out a lot of the blisters and I did indeed see a lot of questionable casts/bent stuff/pieces missing/extravagant amount of flash. Likewise I also saw some very beautifully looking miniatures with no flaws at all.

They had several models built and were building a handful more while I was in, and for example the Ghazghkull that was on display (unpainted) had a crazy amount of flash & some deformed parts. I don't know why they didn't remove all the flash before putting it together, because right now it looks like crap and makes it an absolutely horrible way to advertise the product. Also one of the employees was building the Shaggoth and was trying to straighten the axe which was bent in a cup of hot water. The axe blades were awfully crooked too. Of course the metal has (had) it's fair amount of flash & bendyness, but I've never seen it as bad and widespread as this.

- Check out the stuff in the blisters really carefully before buying.

- At the moment I wouldn't buy any finecast unseen, so no boxes for me until further notice.

- The store staff claimed these are most likely starting up problems because they had to fill all the stores so quickly. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Let's hope it is true, otherwise this is a definitive step backwards and very much a deal breaker considering the increased prices.

- On the positive side, the material does feel & look good. If you get an item with nothing wrong with it you do get a very fine looking, light miniature.

And last but not least the prices:

Some items did not get a price raise at all (Emperor's Champion, DE Archon, IG Lord Commissar which supposedly is not mail order only anymore now just like the Empire Captain), and others did. There seems to be no clear logic behind this. The Ork Painboy (+ 3,50 I think) got a higher raise than the Techmarine box (+ 2,50). Very weird. The Terminator armoured Librarian now costs 20,25 (euro). I'm perfectly sure it cost 15,- before. Marneus Calgar went from 40,- to 50,-.

In general I don't consider this stuff worth the extra amount they now ask for it, so the only thing GW achieved is that I'll be extremely selective in which finecast items I'll buy. A lot of kits I will not even consider anymore. The new prices compared to the new (current) quality are simply unacceptable.

At least GW has a very good reputation for replacing defective products at their expense.

GW will have to write off these losses.
That will eat into GW profits.
They will either take the hit on the chin, which is going to be unlikely as the management are a bunch of chinless wonders
or more likely prices will go up so the customer ends up paying in the long run.

I guess at least with replacements we can't say GW never do bogof deals!

Sorry AFAIK BMW don't claim that it is the best drive ever due to revolutionary and cheaper materials so we are whacking the price up 25%
And if they did I don't think there would be a bunch of apologists saying how cool that will be, can't wait!

As much as I would liek to get a finecast model to just try them out £14.50 for njal stormcaller is just painful.

The flaws we are seeing seem to be what you would normally get from Forgeworld from very old mold's.

Very hmmmmm so far... they seem to be selling like hotcakes though anyway;

Yeah but have you seen how many posts are saying, I am going to buy one to see how bad they are! ?

doghouse wrote:I bought the Coteaz, Commissar and the EC. I think my local store must have got a good batch because mine are seriously nice models with no flaws what so ever.

I was looking at several of each of those exact three models too today, and all of them were of very good quality & without any noticable flaws. Maybe some miniatures/molds lend themselves better for the new material than others, Idk.

Anyone know if the Techmarine has a Conversion beamer?

Watching Paint Dry wrote:I have the new Marneus Calgar with Honour Guard kit and I can say that there are very few flaws. Probable the same as metal, but they are more obvious in resin because of the colour. I took some close up pics and HD video for a review video and posted it on my blog (http://itslikewatchingpaintdry.blogspot.com/)

These look very nice. thank you for putting up a video review!


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somebody posted a review on youtube in German. Looks nice.

I bought a chaplain and jump pack and some sterguard vets for my brother this morning, I had read a few negative reviews so i got the Manager, who i know to let me check them before buying,
He also said he had only had a handfull of returns so far, all for miscasts, but compared to the amount sold, this was about normal.
I had a pretty good look at them and i could see no miscasts, just alot of lines and quite a bit of extra material hanging around some of the parts, (not sure what the word is for this).
All in all i was very happy, i would provide photos but i had to wrap them up and give them as a gift, I will definatly be picking up some for myself at a later date.