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What does Omegus mean? He means that im2randomgh should be ignored, correct me if I'm wrong. Whether he's a huge troll or simply pulls random half remembered fluff pieces from memory soured by obvious bias is debatable, but his threads and posts are often incorrect in their information.

Alpharius,primarch of the Alpha Legion,had a twin called Omegon.Only a few knew about the secret,and they rarely appeared together.They were 2 sperate beings,but they were commonly reffered to as Alpharius Omegon,because you could never be sure which one it was,IIRC.I believe Omegon would occassionally lead a covert ops,painting his armour green.Alpharius was the public figure.Rowboat Girlyman was acclaimed to have killed one of them.Which one,if either at all were actually killed,is unclear.

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Omegus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, During Istvaan 5, primarchs were scything down astartes like nothing, but both Magnus and Mortarion have been owned by a termie and a dreadnought, and a pair of termies, respectively.

Inconsistency.

Mortarion + bitchslapped, rended open, some dude's name carved into his heart, banished into the warp = owned.
Magnus + hit by ferocious attack, goes "ow" for a second, then "ohwait, i'm a primarch, lulz" and schools attacker = not owned.

As for the Russ vs. Magnus fight, it basically went back and forth, until Magnus punches Russ through the chest, then Russ' two gigantic wolves attack Magnus, Magnus kills them both, blasts Russ in the face and blinds him, Russ cries out like a bitch and "flailing blindly" grazes Magnus in the eye. Tzeench's fingerprints all over that last one.

Well Magnus did turn the tables on Greyloc, but when Ironhelm sprinted down the side of the mountain and started to own him, Magnus failed. Did anyone else find the sprinting down a mountain then tackling a guy at full speed kinda seem Dragonball Z ish?

Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

How can you guys not vote for Fulgrim? He was, by all fluff acounts, the guy who would win in any one on one battle between Primarchs. He joined Chaos purely for the sake of kicking more ass; the women and drugs were just side bennefits to his rock star status. No whining about how the Emporer doesn't love him, just the pure love of crushing all opposition.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, During Istvaan 5, primarchs were scything down astartes like nothing, but both Magnus and Mortarion have been owned by a termie and a dreadnought, and a pair of termies, respectively.

Inconsistency.

Mortarion + bitchslapped, rended open, some dude's name carved into his heart, banished into the warp = owned.
Magnus + hit by ferocious attack, goes "ow" for a second, then "ohwait, i'm a primarch, lulz" and schools attacker = not owned.

As for the Russ vs. Magnus fight, it basically went back and forth, until Magnus punches Russ through the chest, then Russ' two gigantic wolves attack Magnus, Magnus kills them both, blasts Russ in the face and blinds him, Russ cries out like a bitch and "flailing blindly" grazes Magnus in the eye. Tzeench's fingerprints all over that last one.

Well Magnus did turn the tables on Greyloc, but when Ironhelm sprinted down the side of the mountain and started to own him, Magnus failed. Did anyone else find the sprinting down a mountain then tackling a guy at full speed kinda seem Dragonball Z ish?

Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

Certainly not saying it wasn't fair. Simply that Magnus's attention were divided several ways, and he still dominated util Russ got lucky.

Phazael wrote:How can you guys not vote for Fulgrim? He was, by all fluff acounts, the guy who would win in any one on one battle between Primarchs. He joined Chaos purely for the sake of kicking more ass; the women and drugs were just side bennefits to his rock star status. No whining about how the Emporer doesn't love him, just the pure love of crushing all opposition.

Because he didn't join Chaos for that reason. He was tricked by a talking sword

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, During Istvaan 5, primarchs were scything down astartes like nothing, but both Magnus and Mortarion have been owned by a termie and a dreadnought, and a pair of termies, respectively.

Inconsistency.

Mortarion + bitchslapped, rended open, some dude's name carved into his heart, banished into the warp = owned.
Magnus + hit by ferocious attack, goes "ow" for a second, then "ohwait, i'm a primarch, lulz" and schools attacker = not owned.

As for the Russ vs. Magnus fight, it basically went back and forth, until Magnus punches Russ through the chest, then Russ' two gigantic wolves attack Magnus, Magnus kills them both, blasts Russ in the face and blinds him, Russ cries out like a bitch and "flailing blindly" grazes Magnus in the eye. Tzeench's fingerprints all over that last one.

Well Magnus did turn the tables on Greyloc, but when Ironhelm sprinted down the side of the mountain and started to own him, Magnus failed. Did anyone else find the sprinting down a mountain then tackling a guy at full speed kinda seem Dragonball Z ish?

Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

Certainly not saying it wasn't fair. Simply that Magnus's attention were divided several ways, and he still dominated util Russ got lucky.

With primarchs, it was probably predestined rather than lucky.

And yeah fulgrim is pretty badass. He killed an avatar and two primarchs.

The daemon primarchs (apart from Mortarion, apparently) are all pretty bad-ass. Magnus stopped a warpstorm that engulfed his entire world, Angron slaughtered a company of Grey Knights. Fulgrim got bored and went to have an orgy.

Fulgrim was arrogant enough to believe that the Daemon Blade of Laeran was his honest,straight talking sub-concious,and weak-minded enough to allow it to possess him.He even killed his most loved brother because a SWORD told him to!

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

Magnus' sorcery is his own power, something he honed and practiced himself, in the same way one would a blade.

Russ' wolves are not.

Though that's not really what's relevant, what is more relevant is that Magnus' full power wasn't brought to bear on Russ, he was multi-tasking on multiple things at once, and was still dominating the fight before a lucky shot that had nothing to do with Russ' skill or power.


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Phazael wrote:How can you guys not vote for Fulgrim? He was, by all fluff acounts, the guy who would win in any one on one battle between Primarchs. He joined Chaos purely for the sake of kicking more ass; the women and drugs were just side bennefits to his rock star status. No whining about how the Emporer doesn't love him, just the pure love of crushing all opposition.

Well for one, he turned to Chaos because he was tricked by the Daemon Sword he picked up.

And he talked to turd paintings (As in, paintings smeared with fecal matter).

Plus Ferrus Manus actually beat him in their second fight, Fulgrim had to tap into the power of the Laer Blade to kill him.

Tha is not how I hear it.Manus,wielding Firebalde,the weapon of Fulgrim,but crafted by Manus,disarmed him,Fulgrim wielding Forgebreaker,the weapon of Manus,but forged by Fulgrim.Momentarily disarmed,he drew the Laeran Blade in desperation and had Manus at his mercy,but wasn't going to kill him,untill the sword told him to.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, During Istvaan 5, primarchs were scything down astartes like nothing, but both Magnus and Mortarion have been owned by a termie and a dreadnought, and a pair of termies, respectively.

Inconsistency.

Mortarion + bitchslapped, rended open, some dude's name carved into his heart, banished into the warp = owned.
Magnus + hit by ferocious attack, goes "ow" for a second, then "ohwait, i'm a primarch, lulz" and schools attacker = not owned.

As for the Russ vs. Magnus fight, it basically went back and forth, until Magnus punches Russ through the chest, then Russ' two gigantic wolves attack Magnus, Magnus kills them both, blasts Russ in the face and blinds him, Russ cries out like a bitch and "flailing blindly" grazes Magnus in the eye. Tzeench's fingerprints all over that last one.

Well Magnus did turn the tables on Greyloc, but when Ironhelm sprinted down the side of the mountain and started to own him, Magnus failed. Did anyone else find the sprinting down a mountain then tackling a guy at full speed kinda seem Dragonball Z ish?

Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

Certainly not saying it wasn't fair. Simply that Magnus's attention were divided several ways, and he still dominated util Russ got lucky.

Magnus did not wish to kill his own brother, and: "Magnus had no expectation of surviving his duel with Leman Russ." However he was completely owning him until Russ blindly thrashed out and caught Magnus in the eye. When Magnus was stunned Russ lifted him in the air and cracked him over his knee. Magnus is by far the most powerful primarch but for me it is dead straight between him and Sanguinius to be the coolest.

Phazael wrote:How can you guys not vote for Fulgrim? He was, by all fluff acounts, the guy who would win in any one on one battle between Primarchs. He joined Chaos purely for the sake of kicking more ass; the women and drugs were just side bennefits to his rock star status. No whining about how the Emporer doesn't love him, just the pure love of crushing all opposition.

I didn't vote Fulgrim because I read his novel, and he was a pompous tool-bag who was corrupted far too easily (he picks up an alien artifact that seems to have a whole temple full of aliens enthralled, starts hearing a voice in his head telling him things that are completely contrary to what he normally thought/believed, and he assumes he must have thought those things all along). I mean, at some point, when you're talking to a gak painting (as in, literally painted with gak) of yourself, you should take a step back and re-evaluate the situation.

im2randomghgh wrote:With primarchs, it was probably predestined rather than lucky.

And yeah fulgrim is pretty badass. He killed an avatar and two primarchs.

Predestined, exactly. Which is why I mentioned Tzeench. Even with all the distractions, Magnus would have utterly owned Russ if Tzeench didn't interfere.

As for Fulgrim, he did defeat Manus (barely), but he was being fueled by a daemon weapon. The daemon had fully taken over by the time he killed Guilliman.

And Avatars are pansies.

Deadshot wrote:Tha is not how I hear it.Manus,wielding Firebalde,the weapon of Fulgrim,but crafted by Manus,disarmed him,Fulgrim wielding Forgebreaker,the weapon of Manus,but forged by Fulgrim.Momentarily disarmed,he drew the Laeran Blade in desperation and had Manus at his mercy,but wasn't going to kill him,untill the sword told him to.

Why do you not use the spacebar after punctuation? It makes your posts extremely tedious to read.

Omegus wrote:And Avatars are pansies.

To be fair, the Avatar in Fulgrim was a more dignified portrayal than most.

The Avatar badly wounded Fulgrim, more than anything else did in the book.

He got choked out like a bitch.

It speaks volumes that having your neck crushed is a better showing than your other ones, admittedly.

Konrad he's like a futuristic batman gone psycho and put in charge of an army or power armoured psycho batmen

Leman Russ is the the best.

Void__Dragon wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, take into account that Russ had just sorta won a battle that his force would otherwise have lost/barely won, and magnus had been meditating, and then magnus was using powers during the fight. The way I see it, Russ using his wolves was perfectly fair considering magnus was using witchery.

And the wording is irrelevant, Russ picked up Magnus, and broke him.

Magnus' sorcery is his own power, something he honed and practiced himself, in the same way one would a blade.

Russ' wolves are not.

Magnus has the ability to use sorcery (as do Russ and Lorgar, albeit not quite as actively), and Russ, apparently, has the power to make wolves the size of rhinos fight for him. Simple as that.

Sanguinius is the most powerful,

with honourable mentions going out to Magnus, Angron, Fulgim, Dorn and Corax.

Woo hoo! Sanguinuis is the best!
Horus thinks so too!


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If only I could give minus points to Guilliman, dang codex astartes!

I voted for Angron, because he's my favorite and I thought that was what we were voting for.

He wasn't a particularly good Primarch (Especially since he doomed his legion to an eternity of RAGE!!!!), but he had a sense of honor and loyalty. Loved the short story "After Desh'ea."

Remulus wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
If only I could give minus points to Guilliman, dang codex astartes!

Considering your signature, that's a bit unusual. Guilliman is probably the primarch that represents the color White in Magic the most.

Molten Butter wrote:I voted for Angron, because he's my favorite and I thought that was what we were voting for.

He wasn't a particularly good Primarch (Especially since he doomed his legion to an eternity of RAGE!!!!), but he had a sense of honor and loyalty. Loved the short story "After Desh'ea."

Remulus wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
If only I could give minus points to Guilliman, dang codex astartes!

Considering your signature, that's a bit unusual. Guilliman is probably the primarch that represents the color White in Magic the most.

Honour is why Dorn is my favourite, he was said to be the most level-headed, wise, and honourable primarch.

@ the second part, I was thinking that too!

im2randomghgh wrote:Magnus has the ability to use sorcery (as do Russ and Lorgar, albeit not quite as actively), and Russ, apparently, has the power to make wolves the size of rhinos fight for him. Simple as that.

Sanguinius is the most powerful,

with honourable mentions going out to Magnus, Angron, Fulgim, Dorn and Corax.

All the Primarchs had latent psychic ability actually, or rather it's all but said. Magnus, Lorgar, Corax, Russ, the Lion, Sanguinius, Curze, all have demonstrated a degree of psychic aptitude, Magnus just had the most, and chose to embrace and hone it. Said dogs were actually Russ' brothers. I guess if you challenge someone to a fight and then proceed to get your brothers to help you wail on him, that's completely fair. I'm mostly joking, but that doesn't change the context of the situation, namely that Magnus' full power wasn't brought to bare on Russ, and he was still winning before Russ scored a lucky hit. Though really, I'm not sure why you replied to my post, it's very clear neither of us is gonna convince the other...

Sanguinius has never been said to be the most powerful (Though would say he probably is one of the stronger ones). Just because you say something over and over again doesn't make it true. Just saying.

Leman russ winning? struggling....to...keeep...negative...comments..to...self!

Void__Dragon wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Magnus has the ability to use sorcery (as do Russ and Lorgar, albeit not quite as actively), and Russ, apparently, has the power to make wolves the size of rhinos fight for him. Simple as that.

Sanguinius is the most powerful,

with honourable mentions going out to Magnus, Angron, Fulgim, Dorn and Corax.

All the Primarchs had latent psychic ability actually, or rather it's all but said. Magnus, Lorgar, Corax, Russ, the Lion, Sanguinius, Curze, all have demonstrated a degree of psychic aptitude, Magnus just had the most, and chose to embrace and hone it. Said dogs were actually Russ' brothers. I guess if you challenge someone to a fight and then proceed to get your brothers to help you wail on him, that's completely fair. I'm mostly joking, but that doesn't change the context of the situation, namely that Magnus' full power wasn't brought to bare on Russ, and he was still winning before Russ scored a lucky hit. Though really, I'm not sure why you replied to my post, it's very clear neither of us is gonna convince the other...

Sanguinius has never been said to be the most powerful (Though would say he probably is one of the stronger ones). Just because you say something over and over again doesn't make it true. Just saying.

All primarchs had latent psychic abilities that were basically just psychic defenses (except maybe Angron because of the whole KHORNE thing) except Russ, Lorgar, and Magnus had active abilities, though they were fairly weak in the case of Russ and Lorgar. And the Wolves were NOT Russ' brothers, the Wulfen were fighting the TS, but the Wolves who fought alongside Russ were genuine Fenrisian wolves. And Magnus clearly wasn't very powerful if he got his eye crushed and back snapped by someone who's heart had been torn out. Plus, what does it matter if Magnus' eye went out? He had psychic senses.

Plus, Russ had just beaten a legion into submission personally before the fight, whereas MAGNUS was meditating until a short time before the battle.

As for Sanguinius, Horus plainly stated that he was the most powerful, plus he killed a GD (GD>other primarchs) and then went on to fight another primarch and damaged his armour sufficiently for the Empy to be able to pwn him.

In case you didn't know, Hgh, Space Marines have two hearts. So a loss of one isn't that big of a deal. Also, Angron didn't start out with Khorne.

im2randomghgh wrote:Magnus has the ability to use sorcery (as do Russ and Lorgar, albeit not quite as actively), and Russ, apparently, has the power to make wolves the size of rhinos fight for him. Simple as that.

Lorgar had some psychic ability that he kept repressed, and only manifested it briefly before getting his ass whooped by Corax. Russ had no eldritch abilities what-so-ever, except his howl disrupted psykers. Where are you getting this information from?


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necrongod wrote:Leman russ winning? struggling....to...keeep...negative...comments..to...self!

The hate is swelling in you now! Give in to your anger!

im2randomghgh wrote:All primarchs had latent psychic abilities that were basically just psychic defenses (except maybe Angron because of the whole KHORNE thing) except Russ, Lorgar, and Magnus had active abilities, though they were fairly weak in the case of Russ and Lorgar. And the Wolves were NOT Russ' brothers, the Wulfen were fighting the TS, but the Wolves who fought alongside Russ were genuine Fenrisian wolves. And Magnus clearly wasn't very powerful if he got his eye crushed and back snapped by someone who's heart had been torn out. Plus, what does it matter if Magnus' eye went out? He had psychic senses.

Plus, Russ had just beaten a legion into submission personally before the fight, whereas MAGNUS was meditating until a short time before the battle.

As for Sanguinius, Horus plainly stated that he was the most powerful, plus he killed a GD (GD>other primarchs) and then went on to fight another primarch and damaged his armour sufficiently for the Empy to be able to pwn him.

Lion El'Jonson was able to perceive the currents of the Warp, as noted by Zahariel, Sanguinius and Curze had foresight, and couldn't Corax basically make himself invisible? And yes, the Fenrisian wolves were almost definitely Freki and Geri, two Fenrisian wolves whom Leman Russ was raised alongside, essentially being his bros. And uh, normal Space Marines have two hearts. I doubt a heart wound would be too debilitating. And Magnus' eye going out matters mostly because it's his weak spot, and the source of his psychic sight IIRC.

Oh please, Russ sustained no damage at all during the siege proper, and certainly wasn't tired. When Magnus finally left his tower, he devastated the Wulfen, and then fought Russ personally while also killing scores of Space Wolves and Custodes, all while casting a spell to take the TS to the Planet of the Sorcerers.

Horus stated that he embodied the "Emperor's soul" in his blood. He didn't say he was the most powerful. What makes you think a Bloodthirster is stronger than the other Primarchs? In fact, aren't Bloodthirsters are said to "rival" Primarchs in terms of martial power, not necessarily surpass them? I don't know where you are getting that Bloodthirsters are above every Primarch except Sanguinius.


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Omegus wrote:Lorgar had some psychic ability that he kept repressed, and only manifested it briefly before getting his ass whooped by Corax. Russ had no eldritch abilities what-so-ever, except his howl disrupted psykers. Where are you getting this information from?

Russ' bellow is explicitly described as psychic in nature. Though, I am pretty sure there is a difference between psyker abilities and sorcery.