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You can't boycott a service you were never going to use in the first place. The best you can do is raise awareness and that's it. Blue Table Painting is still the most advertised and known painting service out there; I don't think I can personally recall any other service off the top of my head. Promote good companies and let people know about BTP's reputation when relevant.

MWG won't do anything once light was made of this BTP blunder. Perhaps Corvus Belli may have a different opinion?

However, let's not have some internet vigilantism campaign that ends up sabotaging Tenebre's impending legal matters.

It seems nowadays that people would prefer to one side suffer rather than see the wronged side get proper compensation.



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I loved to watch the mwg Videos while painting or chilling out... Just unsubscribed and wont watch anymore.. Sad

I agree.

Best thing that is possible is just tell people to go else where. People are smart enough to shop around. Boycotts do nothing and they do present hostility that can be used against others such as Tenebre.

So... a youtuber wrote on MWG's video this:

youtuber wrote: I think its a little odd to just dismiss bad reviews of a company, even if they are large one.


Sure, a company as it grows is naturally going have more feedback. This means its both going have positive and negative reviews. But, that's why its good to look at these reviews and critics, so someone can judge for themselves if s/he should use the services.


That being said, they have been some serious issues that I have seen with BTP. A major one that comes to mind was the work Movie Mayhem has them do with his 9000 points of Chaos Dwarfs. Its well documented over two videos of his, in which primer is showing, paint level is definitely not there, simple dry brushing, simply not being able to respond with simple request, among other things.

I suggest watching Movie Mayhem videos at least. Since even the aftermath of what happen after he got the miniatures back, BTP seems to drop the ball as well. 

Miniwargaming wrote: That's still anecdotal evidence, or one well documented case. What it comes down to is that BTP does a LOT of commissions on a regular basis, so of course there will be more people not happy than the next guy who does a handful per year.

All I can say is that I've been very happy with the work they've done for us, and I have seen their business from the inside out, so I know what systems they have in place to protect your miniatures and get the job done well.

To which I replied:

Hey, Miniwargaming, remember that priceless titan? Haha, yeah, anecdotal evidence.

Blue table themselves described it as priceless. In return they gave some cruddy foamcore terrain that had been outlined in what appears to be sharpie. So, 20$ at best for a titan worth 800$+. Shawn is a used cars salesman in the wargaming world, his company is sketchy, and he's a thief. Spencer has even come out of the woodwork to say he would have to keep models that the company was painting so Shawn wouldn't randomly sell them. But, hey. It's okay you support them, I'm sure you have background deals going on.

Any regret I had with cancelling my vault membership is gone.

Edit: Enjoy all of the subs you are losing. 

Oh and look what someone else wrote above me:

This is unacceptable, any regret I might have had about cancelling my vault membership has been quashed.

Here is the video in question with the comment train:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2hMBX8VN3k&list=UU2mQ7x6K74NBfmxBoMwZCnw

So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

If you could only keep your commentary about the posters on Dakka Dakka to be completely positive we'd really appreciate it.

Signed
The MWG way of thinking.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

Perhaps you could post pictures to show the good side of the business?

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

Have fun, you're playing Russian roulette with your models.

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

No, they are doing it because MWG are asking for proof to back up their own opinion and very blatantly saying that they know contradictory evidence exists but they don't want to see it.

They are then presenting that evidence through their media outlet, which is highly unethical.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

No, they are doing it because MWG are asking for proof to back up their own opinion and very blatantly saying that they know contradictory evidence exists but they don't want to see it.

They are then presenting that evidence through their media outlet, which is highly unethical.

Also asking vault members to present all thoughts about this in a positive manner...

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

I genuinely hope you don't end up regretting it. Either way post the results on Dakka. That way people can make informed choices.

 Eldarain wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

If you could only keep your commentary about the posters on Dakka Dakka to be completely positive we'd really appreciate it.

Signed
The MWG way of thinking.

I got a good laugh at this, +1 from me.

Back to the addressed point. It is not like BTP doesn't ever do a good job, but that's the same as me saying when I go to a horse race #4 doesn't always loose. Right now things may be a bit foggy but honestly when you send your minis to a place they

should have a 95%+ satisfaction rate (really for a customer service place it should be 99.9% because that is all you do. It will never be perfect because some people will never be happy. But with BTP I suspect the botched rate may be at 20-30%. I wouldn't

pay a lot of money on odds like that, unless I am at the race track, in which case, that's pretty good odds.

 M0ff3l wrote:
That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

Would you be more specific in what your order entails? Also would you please show us how the project is going (after being started of course) and how the project looks at completion? I am genuinely interested in seeing if BTP comes through for you or not.

 Coldwill wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

No, they are doing it because MWG are asking for proof to back up their own opinion and very blatantly saying that they know contradictory evidence exists but they don't want to see it.

They are then presenting that evidence through their media outlet, which is highly unethical.

Also asking vault members to present all thoughts about this in a positive manner...

Oh god really?
Yeah, see, this is why people are criticizing them. Not for their opinion but for trying to push it on others without listening to the evidence contradicting it or knowing that evidence is there and trying to hide it.

Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
So people are now punishing MWG for having their own opinion and not agreeing with them? wow.

They are free to express their opinion, they aren't free of any consequences for expressing that opinion.
Decisions have consequences.

Dont you find it a little sad that when a company that has used BTP many times and is happy with their work sides with them for their own reason, suddendly this makes them the bad guy too? In my opinion people are blowing this whole thing waaaay out of proportion, and it just decreases my faith in the community even more.

That said, Im about to place an 800$ painting order on BTP and I know for sure I wont regret it. So have fun talking some more smack while I watch some more MWG and BTP vids, cya guys

Just another troll or maybe its shawn

 swampyturtle wrote:
Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

Wait, was this from BTP or just an anonymous Facebook?

anonymous Facebook

 swampyturtle wrote:
Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

I saw you posting this on several facebook pages. You didn't actually say anything negative (or positive) about the company. All you did was present the video link. People can make their own decision from there.

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 swampyturtle wrote:
Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

I saw you posting this on several facebook pages. You didn't actually say anything negative (or positive) about the company. All you did was present the video link. People can make their own decision from there.

Im not there to judge one way or another. Just to present the video link. Thats all. I have no part in this.

 swampyturtle wrote:
Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

Most artists I know dream of much more than assembly line painting and putting food on the table. If anything, this is a sad fate for the people who ended up working at BTP.

Funny thing is, most of this would go away if Shawn was willing to do whatever he could do to satisfy the customer. If the requested refund is to much, why not at least make a counter offer? Why ignore this all and hope it goes away? Why enter into costly litigation, which tenebre seems well on his way to bringing forward.

BTP may have thousands of satisfied customers, but who wants to take the risk of not being satisfied? The message is clear. "You will like what we give you, or you won't. It doesn't matter once we have your money".

What a nightmare for both the business, and the customer.

I think perhaps one of the most terrifying aspects of this is that they seem to have ignored the look the OP asked for in favour of the OSL lava and then actually listed 'just his opinion' as a response to his criticism.

He's the bloody customer. If nothing else about this where newsworthy that fact should still be held up to warn people away.

They apparently have a mentality of thinking X is cool so painting the customers models X way even though he asked for Y.

 swampyturtle wrote:
Just wanted to post this here. I posted the video on Facebook and got this back:

Muck-raking scum. You disgust me trying to drag a company's name through the mud like this, just to make yourself feel big. Do you have any idea how many satisfied customers BTP have? How many fantastic commissions they've completed? Do you know how Shawn has built that company up from nothing to a huge organisation employing over a dozen full-time artists and putting food on people's tables, letting them live their dream? No. You don't care. You just want to sensationalise one sub-par project out of thousands and slag it off to make yourself feel superior. Pathetic. I'd love to see you complete thousands of awesome projects and not have a single one slip through the quality control net. But you couldn't, could you? All you can do is hate and criticise.

Typical fanatic reply. BTW ha a such a massive following that this is what is expected. Feel the same thing is gonna happen now that MWG is only looking for positive reviews. I don't see MWG doing anything wrong supporting a sponsor or vice versa from their pov. This isn't like yelp or a Google review where you can't stop a negative from posting. Both companies are treating this as something so minor due to the history BTP has and that's what they do. This isn't like Kobe losing his endorsements when he has been accused of rape or Tiger losing his with his divorce. Fanatics will defend anyone and even if they are guilty go all out regardless. Almost goes so far to call it brain washing and cult like.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I think perhaps one of the most terrifying aspects of this is that they seem to have ignored the look the OP asked for in favour of the OSL lava and then actually listed 'just his opinion' as a response to his criticism.

He's the bloody customer. If nothing else about this where newsworthy that fact should still be held up to warn people away.

They apparently have a mentality of thinking X is cool so painting the customers models X way even though he asked for Y.

I have to agree. This is a very salient point that hasn't had much attention.

The OP asked for 'gore to rival a SAW film', and instead got lava bases with OSL.

Regardless of the implementation of the OSL, it's not that the OP wanted. That alone should be grounds for a full refund.

Read through 20 pages, watched the videos, finally had a chance to post my thoughts. First of all, I'd never use BTP because I like to paint my own stuff. If I don't paint it, it doesn't get painted. Happens a lot. That said, from what I saw in the video, I liked most of it. I thought it was pretty good-hell, around par of how I do myself (I show some primer, no biggie to me). I even liked the OSL, and think it looks cooler than how the blood and gore sounded. But that's not the point. The customer asked for something. He was ignored. Again and again. BTP screwed up by not providing the customer what was asked for. That's the big no-no to me. The scheme looks great. The pink feet that got missed are less great (okay, awful), and the attitude of "we think your way was bad, so we did it our way. Deal with it" is a kick in the junk. Their attitude is bad, and if I have friends getting painting services, I'll definitely recommend they look elsewhere.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I think perhaps one of the most terrifying aspects of this is that they seem to have ignored the look the OP asked for in favour of the OSL lava and then actually listed 'just his opinion' as a response to his criticism.

He's the bloody customer. If nothing else about this where newsworthy that fact should still be held up to warn people away.

They apparently have a mentality of thinking X is cool so painting the customers models X way even though he asked for Y.

Yeah, it's like if you were getting your car painted and said "Ok, I want it navy blue with white pin stripes"
The car comes back with crazy airbrushed flames....and somehow it's your fault when you get upset about it.

Graxous wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
I think perhaps one of the most terrifying aspects of this is that they seem to have ignored the look the OP asked for in favour of the OSL lava and then actually listed 'just his opinion' as a response to his criticism.

He's the bloody customer. If nothing else about this where newsworthy that fact should still be held up to warn people away.

They apparently have a mentality of thinking X is cool so painting the customers models X way even though he asked for Y.

Yeah, it's like if you were getting your car painted and said "Ok, I want it navy blue with white pin stripes"
The car comes back with crazy airbrushed flames....and somehow it's your fault when you get upset about it.

It's more like crazy airbrushed flames over a few parts but the majority of the car only getting a light dusting with a spray can resulting in the grey primer showing through in alot of spots.