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What did you do to that Librarian!!!! Why does he have a wiffle ball for an axe-head! Sacrilege!

He is Epistolary Pimp

Completely dont understand the painting method being used , but looking forward to the results.

That is a tricky problem them if you want to retain control over the contrast between shine and matte on the mini. I haven't bought a gw overcoat spray in probably 10 years so I can't comment as to how effective it would be. I haven't tried it for this application, nor am I sure if it is available where you live but I know krylon makes a product called crystal clear that is like an artist/craft overcoat that I believe may come in a satin finish which could be a compromise.

Or as suggested if you used a matte spray you could re work the shine by using something like ard coator the vallejo equivalent, or potentially even a clear polyurethane (though prone to potential long term ambering, given these are red this may not be a huge issue).

I'm interested in the use of the liquid mask for chipping. I think I get most of it, it goes on between the grey and red undercoats so when you "uncover"/pull it off it shows the grey underneath and provides the base for your chipped parts of the armor?

Do you just paint bits of it on where you want chipping to be and pick it off with something once you're ready to expose the grey and paint the chipped pieces? Sounds too easy. I can see your librarian already has some chipping on him. Was that a test or are you going to be removing all the liquid mask at this stage (where the red primers are done) or later on once the majority of the brushwork painting is on the models? Like everyone else...looking forward to watching this thread!

(sucks air through teeth)

I have to be honest, my heart jumped the moment that I saw the first shots!

I think you are taking a huge risk playing with such violent textures (matt vs gloss) and while the tone/ rich solid feel has been achieved here, I feel that it could have been achieved through different means.

Such as working with normal paint ranges, then applying mask and then spray varnishes (even the GW matt when applied right will get a gloss feel). The flair/ reflection of the gloss is 'too' much for the scale of model and will detract say from the libbies face, which should be the focal point of the model?

At this moment, while your intentions are pure and true, I do worry about how this will work out, and all on such purdy models!!

You know I love your work, and this could still pull off, but I will be watching with a wincing eye for the time being;-P

Then again, it will work out knowing you and then you will have single handedly created a brand new finishing process;-P

cheers
W

No, no, no! I cannot spend money on Space Hulk! You will not make me do it... I shall never return to this thread, never....nope.

DrunkenSamurai wrote:No, no, no! I cannot spend money on Space Hulk! You will not make me do it... I shall never return to this thread, never....nope.

LIES!!!
The call of Space Hulk is too enticing for a mere mortal to pass up.... like a Daemonette whispering in your ear.... "buy 14 copiessssss"

SargesSquad wrote:
The call of Space Hulk is too enticing for a mere mortal to pass up.... like a Daemonette whispering in your ear.... "buy 14 copiessssss"

word.^^

i'm not an expert painter, but what warhound123 said is true: the metallic effect looks weird at that scale. the only models i've seen pull off that highly glossy parts are nid MCs. it might really be easier to flat coat the whole model and then apply new shiny "highlights". also, it takes cojones to experimentally coat a limited edition set with a primer that won't come off easily.^^ (FYI, Army Painter primer didn't come off my test model even after a full night of brake fluid) then again, most likely you know what you're doing, right?^^

Hrm this is intriguing. I am always glad to see a much more experienced painter try out something drastic and new, as at least if it doesn't work out I know it isn't my incompetance

I was thinking abotu their bases too today. I believe I might make some resin square bases for them that socket into 40mm bases for 40k. It would go a LONG way towards making the facing easier to set.

Waiting eagerly for the results. Game is nice, my friend bought it and we tested it yesterday and ended up playing eight games...

and I haven't got the chance to screw up really.

This.

But, it is all the more reason that watching you develop this project is all the more intriguing and an education.

~ Tael.

Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

PanamaG wrote:Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

How so? Is them showing that it's entirely possible to introduce that much detail and dynamic posing into plastic models in Heroic 28mm, much less one with so few pieces, any less revolutionary than transforming toys out of Japan in the 1980s or the fact that Star Wars figures introduced an entire scale(figures smaller than 12") into the toy industry?

From small differences come the greatest changes. So far as I am concerned, any game that blends the line between board games and miniature war gaming is a good thing. Imagining the day when I can explain my hobby to non-wargamers as "Sort of like Space Hulk, but with more variety and detail" makes me grin in an odd way.

So, no, not revolutionary in the "overthrowing the government and chaos on the streets" kind of way, but the sheer mad quality of of the game peices really shows what can be accomplished, and could lead to great things, both for board gaming and table top gaming.

PanamaG wrote:Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

really? considering we all spend time here, talking passionately about, well toy soldiers


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warhound123 wrote:(sucks air through teeth)

I have to be honest, my heart jumped the moment that I saw the first shots!

...

At this moment, while your intentions are pure and true, I do worry about how this will work out, and all on such purdy models!!

You know I love your work, and this could still pull off, but I will be watching with a wincing eye for the time being;-P

Guys, I like you to bitz and it's fun to get this much of a response on fething under coat, but at the same time it's a little OTT. I got the same uber cautious and "drama" responses from a few friends and it's taking energy to handle them the right way and to think of response or suck in the pessimism. I can't believe we are so skeptic.

SO

for the time being, I'm going to work in silence, take my time and enjoy it without the drama.

Then put up the work when it's finished to save the worries You'll miss the step by step, but I miss the drama.

Please Migs, you should know by now that most people have little shrines of your work in their bedrooms. I mean, after SnapFish started offering free 8x10 glossies every second month it was really inevitable...

My personal debate is whether to spend the time hacking off all the BA bling or just paint them in my chapter colors and call them "foundling" marines. I don't know what these other nutter's problem is

Let the doubters do what they do best. I just want to learn and absorb whatever it is you can show us along the way to improve my painting! I'll keep watching and hoping for you to throw us a WIP or two

migsula wrote:Guys, I like you to bitz and it's fun to get this much of a response on fething under coat, but at the same time it's a little OTT. I got the same uber cautious and "drama" responses from a few friends and it's taking energy to handle them the right way and to think of response or suck in the pessimism. I can't believe we are so skeptic.

LOL. I had been meaning to post that very thing. You'd think people with experience in this hobby would know how things tend to come together late in the process and not right off the bat. I trust the vision.

Wehrkind wrote:Please Migs, you should know by now that most people have little shrines of your work in their bedrooms.

That stresses me equally my friend!

I understand , what you are saying Migs, the pressure is a bit crazy, although you are a bit of a pop star around here.

All I can say is please keep a step by step record to show us at the end.

How about a compromise, post the WIP but ignore all the comments except the oooohs and aaaaaaahs (unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

Ozymandias wrote:How about a compromise, post the WIP but ignore all the comments except the oooohs and aaaaaaahs (unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

+1 vote for this!

It would be a pity not seeing your progression and thoughts on the methods you intend to use. You have instigated a few good discussions about alternate techniques rather than tried technical executions we often see today.

So whilst I agree as you said yourself, "and I haven't got the chance to screw up really." Watching you challenge yourself and work through the project was going to be intriguing to me and an education on process by another painter I respect the work of.

Though I understand your decision, so look forward to the final reveal

Would have been cool to see you walk the talk though ..step by WiP step.. chuckle.

best,
~ Tael.

It would be a pity not seeing your progression and thoughts on the methods you intend to use. You have instigated a few good discussions about alternate techniques rather than tried technical executions we often see today.

Agreed, Tael.

I do hope Migs (as it seems I was a bit of a catalyst%-( that no offence was taken?

As with all blogs (my own included) some comments are neither wanted or appreciated, but the comment is meant in the best possible sense.

The fact that you are trying something that may have made me 'wince', does not detract from the fact that you are trying something that:
1: I would never have thought of and as a result is making me think in different dimensions.
2: May or may not work- with absolute conviction.

When you started the TWAR project, you raised eyebrows in both positive and negative measure, but that does not mean that the wip's and final results were anything to be sniffed at? Far from it in fact!:-D

I am also working in slightly different styles at the moment, using finishes and textures to enhance the paint used. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but when challenged about it, I have ploughed on through, because at the end of the day:
It's MY blog.

I often want to share my work, sometimes not, because I am unsure about how it is progressing, but the feedback good and bad is always great for getting a steer on what is successful- otherwise what is the point of blogging? Surely, we want to share, brag, get input or educate?

I sincerely hope that you will continue to let us witness something that may become truly revolutionary, but if you do not, then I (and I am sure others will) will appreciate and respect this.

It's all about the journey man, the end destination is fluid.

All the best

Warhound

Does this thread win an award for the sheer post-to-picture ratio? I don't think I've ever seen a Blog so devoid of... blogging.

Not your fault Migs, just seems odd that everyone's jumping around over this.

Migs your stuff is awesome and your necromunda stuff got me and my son into necromunda / =I= munda and inspired me to come up with a game system for my club mixing the 2 with dark heresy . But I thought the whole point to a blog was to discuss the techniques being used and to except both positive and negative feedback .

Hi Migs

Please keep posting your WIPs. If you continue down the path you first outlined we'll all get to see that process and you can take the comments as they come. If you decide to change your process then we'll all get to see that too.

In the end though, it's your decision. They're your toy soldiers and it's your vision. All we can do is hope you do show it all. As warhound123 said, "It's all about the journey".

I, for one, am very excited to see your vision come to fruition.

Cheers
Dave

I look forward to seeing either the WiP, the end results or the two combined.

~ Belphegor

Ozymandias wrote:(unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

Totally disagree with that, not about listening to Dave, but about listening to me. I'm the non-creative, closed minded donkey-cave that has acted as the catalyst, so to Dakka and the online hobby community at large, I apologise. Feel free to blame me for the masterclass we all know we are missing.

Mig's, sorry mate, didn't mean to frustrate.

Cheers,

Dante