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I am glad this is happening. Hopefully it will pull down some of the prices on ebay. I need some more ophidians, eclipsantes and vestals. May even finish getting some goblins - some much character in such small models!

Much of the Confrontation line was gorgeous and amazing. Even if at an expensive limited run price point, it'll still be nice to see some of those models in production again.

Myrthe wrote: Rackham Enterprises made a HUGE mistake when the ousted him in the first place.

Yeah, Rackham managers firing Jean Bey would be like GW firing the inventor of Warhammer/40k Rick Priestley, GW would never do something stupid like that

Anyway, waiting for the rerelease of the Japanese Goblins.

Fantastic news! I've wanted to use the Dirz models in my Dark Eldar army but they've been hard to come by. The Tigers would make great beasts and Abberations great Grotesques. There's probably a viable alternate Haemonculus somewhere in there too now that I think about it.

Always been a big fan of the minis in general as well.

Kroothawk wrote:

Myrthe wrote: Rackham Enterprises made a HUGE mistake when the ousted him in the first place.

Yeah, Rackham managers firing Jean Bey would be like GW firing the inventor of Warhammer/40k Rick Priestley, GW would never do something stupid like that

Anyway, waiting for the rerelease of the Japanese Goblins.

Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

The mentioning of Limited edition doesn't look very promising in therms of future prices... every time its mentioned it has a ugly price tag attached.

NAVARRO wrote:Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

I also own some of them, but I need much more for my Japanese themed Skaven army as slaves.

I'm not particularly thrilled about this. I liked some of their stuff but as a fan of the Werewolves PP has got that concept covered for me. This feels very backwards looking, unless they get the original sculptors on board it can only ever be a time capsule and that won't be strong competition for other miniatures companies and push them forward. IMO this is the same as GW's recent reissuing of old models and shows a lack of imagination.

Given the 'uproar' over GWs price hikes (AUS and regional gouging aside) I'm surprised anyone can afford purely collector's miniatures. As I said, I like the range but I cant see it moving forwards in an innovating way.

Kroothawk wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

I also own some of them, but I need much more for my Japanese themed Skaven army as slaves.

I hunted them down for a Japanese flavoured Bloodbowl team.

I'm really excited by this announcement. I missed the metal Confrontation stuff when it first came out. It'll be cool to be able to get my hands on some metal stuff.

NAVARRO wrote:

Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

The mentioning of Limited edition doesn't look very promising in therms of future prices... every time its mentioned it has a ugly price tag attached.

Amen, but for the Uraken it would SO worth it... I just want Bazuka and the Samurai infantry. The other guys were neat, but I still want to kick myself for not getting the elite infantry when I had the chance.

EDIT: Samurats! Oh, Jean Bey - how I miss your amusing unit names.

Though, I think it was the Bushi and Bazuka I wanted, not the Samurats.

Laughing Man wrote:Must acquire clean pants...

You win the thread!

Anyway needless to say this is great news for all fans of TOTALLY AWESOME STUFF.

Vain wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

I also own some of them, but I need much more for my Japanese themed Skaven army as slaves.

I hunted them down for a Japanese flavoured Bloodbowl team.

I'm just going to use them just for big warbands of songs of blades and heroes skirmish games... but there are still lots of things I never managed to get for other factions and wished I had been faster on getting them because today prices are prohibitive.

Scottywan82 wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

The mentioning of Limited edition doesn't look very promising in therms of future prices... every time its mentioned it has a ugly price tag attached.

Amen, but for the Uraken it would SO worth it... I just want Bazuka and the Samurai infantry. The other guys were neat, but I still want to kick myself for not getting the elite infantry when I had the chance.

EDIT: Samurats! Oh, Jean Bey - how I miss your amusing unit names.

Though, I think it was the Bushi and Bazuka I wanted, not the Samurats.

Don't forget the sooo nice ninjas and the dai bakemonos minis, so cool... uraken was blessed with so many gems that its hard to pick up just one mini...
At the end of rackham golden times the Bushi were quite hard to get but there was plenty of samurats.
The only uraken I really disliked were the mad wheels, I disliked the concept so much that I dodged that box set.

Bloodwin wrote:I'm not particularly thrilled about this. I liked some of their stuff but as a fan of the Werewolves PP has got that concept covered for me. This feels very backwards looking, unless they get the original sculptors on board it can only ever be a time capsule and that won't be strong competition for other miniatures companies and push them forward. IMO this is the same as GW's recent reissuing of old models and shows a lack of imagination.

Given the 'uproar' over GWs price hikes (AUS and regional gouging aside) I'm surprised anyone can afford purely collector's miniatures. As I said, I like the range but I cant see it moving forwards in an innovating way.

They're cheaper than purely gaming miniatures.

Bloodwin wrote:I'm not particularly thrilled about this. I liked some of their stuff but as a fan of the Werewolves PP has got that concept covered for me. This feels very backwards looking, unless they get the original sculptors on board it can only ever be a time capsule and that won't be strong competition for other miniatures companies and push them forward. IMO this is the same as GW's recent reissuing of old models and shows a lack of imagination.

If a company wants to hitch their wagon to a dead horse, that's their business, really. Without a game and without actual new figures, these will be just a momentary curiosity that will doubtless sell far worse than they expect. Confrontation is dead, its fans have moved on.

NAVARRO wrote:

I'm just going to use them just for big warbands of songs of blades and heroes skirmish games... but there are still lots of things I never managed to get for other factions and wished I had been faster on getting them because today prices are prohibitive.

Obviously we don't know for sure yet, but since they seem to be lining this up as a 'collectors and painters' thing, I am not so sure the prices will be all that attractive...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do hope someone grabs AT-43 as well. I really wanted a Therian army.

You can get one on ebay for pennies on the dollar...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:I'm not particularly thrilled about this. I liked some of their stuff but as a fan of the Werewolves PP has got that concept covered for me. This feels very backwards looking, unless they get the original sculptors on board it can only ever be a time capsule and that won't be strong competition for other miniatures companies and push them forward. IMO this is the same as GW's recent reissuing of old models and shows a lack of imagination.

If a company wants to hitch their wagon to a dead horse, that's their business, really. Without a game and without actual new figures, these will be just a momentary curiosity that will doubtless sell far worse than they expect. Confrontation is dead, its fans have moved on.

Honestly, I disagree. Before they went to prepaints, Confrontation had some of the best fantasy minis out there with one of the most original takes on the genre to boot, and as evidenced by prices on ebay, people still want the models and are willing to pay a fair amount for them. Plus there's people like me who never had a chance to get any of Confrontation's stuff because it had died by the time that we started up the hobby, but would love to get our hands on some.

Will it be enough of a hit to restart the game? Iunno, I'd love it if it was, but I don't expect it to. But if the reaction from the majority of this thread is any indication, there's still a market for Confrontation's minis out there, and I expect this will do pretty decently.

Sarrazon wrote:
Will it be enough of a hit to restart the game?

Restarting the game is not stated to be in the cards. The news item only says they will be rereleasing old miniatures, nothing new and probably no rules material.

Oh yeah! I need those Ninja Goblins! And the Pirate Troll!

CT GAMER wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do hope someone grabs AT-43 as well. I really wanted a Therian army.

You can get one on ebay for pennies on the dollar...

Really I've been looking for a cheap Tiamat off and on for a while now. No luck!

NAVARRO wrote:

Vain wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Have all of those sweet uraken gobbos, one of the many old Rackham highlights.

I also own some of them, but I need much more for my Japanese themed Skaven army as slaves.

I hunted them down for a Japanese flavoured Bloodbowl team.

I'm just going to use them just for big warbands of songs of blades and heroes skirmish games... but there are still lots of things I never managed to get for other factions and wished I had been faster on getting them because today prices are prohibitive.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Sarrazon wrote:
Will it be enough of a hit to restart the game?

Restarting the game is not stated to be in the cards. The news item only says they will be rereleasing old miniatures, nothing new and probably no rules material.

As someone who enjoyed C3 I hope they re-release the rule books and move people play. I don't however hold out much hope for that but don't think the outlook will be as gloomy as your earlier post but then I don't think it will be successful as others hope.

What I really want is Cry HAvoc to restart but that will never happen - loved that magazine.

I was really thrilled to hear about this over the weekend! I have a pretty large collection now, but there are still LOTS of models I want to get. The limited price might be a stumbling block for me, but it can't be a lot worse than it is now and at least I will be able to get a hold of some stuff you can never get on eBay for less than your first born (Fiannas).

Also, I have a stack of the mini rule books for Confrontation and Incantation, and could probably get some nice quality copies of the cards at Kinko's for people who want to play the game if you let me know. I don't know what it would cost, but probably not much?

Well having played confrontation alot in the old days, and still having a fair amount of stuff....As I think its the best skirmish mini game made to date. Nothing GW or many other companies have done holds a candle on the skirmish level IMO.

I hope its minis and rules, no confirmation on the rules yet...if they really want to sell the minis tho they will have to do a rules set again, or their sales will be low is my guess. My money is divided between to many hobbies anymore to use on minis that I wont be using for actual enjoyment. Sitting on a shelf and never being used in a game isnt on the agenda lol.

However, if they do re-launch the game it must have an update. The last year of releases they did had noticeable power creep and several last minute rules changes in conf 3.5 online rules release that were drastic changes to the game. So Im all for for a Confrontation V4 skirmish game they just need to tweak a couple things and adjust point totals on the minis and it would be a great system again.

Also they stated that never before released minis will be made. The HYDRA is supposed to be released at gencon, this mini was never previously released.

You can find plenty of hardcover Confrontation rulebooks on ebay dirt cheap. I play confrontation to this day and I have never lost interest in the game. Many people slagged the rules system for being clunky but, I think it's basically a good system.

I was initially thrilled until I read that CMON is in control of this:

Alpharius wrote:"Obviously we're thrilled", said David Doust, co-founder of Cool Mini Or Not. "Although we handle beautiful miniatures every day, there is something special about Confrontation. We're looking forward to helping bring these miniatures back to life."

For further information, please contact info@legacyminiatures.com at Legacy Miniatures, or sales@coolminiornot.com at CoolMiniOrNot Inc.

Oh how quickly the miniatures world forgets the diarrhea that was NEWWAVE MINIATURES and the gross fraudulent activities that David Doust involved himself in, not even a decade ago.

I however have not forgotten being ripped of for hundreds of dollars in product that was never rectified, so this news that should be outstanding and great news leaves me feeling somewhat reserved.

Edit to add link of merely one example of MANY on the net regarding Newwave's chicanery

Something I found in an old album, think it was meant to be Isateph Cavalry mentioned in the CAOR Dirz book. Have a lot of other Dirz pics including the Wyrm but the majority are un-released hero sets and Abberation types pre-paint. Anyways if they released this guy I'd be quite satisfied.
From what I've read FFG acquired the rights to the plastic range, so how have they detemined available products? Does FFGs license incorporate all the prototypes (IP) that were intended for Ragnarok or just those that were released in plastic (actual product)? Seems a little strange. Hope its more the latter.

Hekal Xul wrote:From what I've read FFG acquired the rights to the plastic range, so how have they detemined available products? Does FFGs license incorporate all the prototypes (IP) that were intended for Ragnarok or just those that were released in plastic (actual product)? Seems a little strange. Hope its more the latter.

Where did you read that? And how old was it?

FFG havent distributed Rackham products for years now. I never heard of them acquiring the rights to anything that rackham has done with the exception of distributing board and card games produced under license by DUST Game Ltd.

Hellfury wrote:I was initially thrilled until I read that CMON is in control of this:

Alpharius wrote:"Obviously we're thrilled", said David Doust, co-founder of Cool Mini Or Not. "Although we handle beautiful miniatures every day, there is something special about Confrontation. We're looking forward to helping bring these miniatures back to life."

For further information, please contact info@legacyminiatures.com at Legacy Miniatures, or sales@coolminiornot.com at CoolMiniOrNot Inc.

Oh how quickly the miniatures world forgets the diarrhea that was NEWWAVE MINIATURES and the gross fraudulent activities that David Doust involved himself in, not even a decade ago.

I however have not forgotten being ripped of for hundreds of dollars in product that was never rectified, so this news that should be outstanding and great news leaves me feeling somewhat reserved.

Edit to add link of merely one example of MANY on the net regarding Newwave's chicanery

I remeber all the New Wave drama from years ago. Their website was handy for researching mini lines and they had some good event coverage, but I never ordered from them, so I never personally got burned. They must be doing something right lately since I've never heard anything negative about the service from CMoN.

If pure collector lines do badly how do you explain Avatars of War? Rackham Limited Editions weren't priced differently to their main range anyway, I have reasonable hopes for this. I'd also like a couple of the models for other projects. My real hopes are to get my hands on Salias Yesod and Kassalis Venin for my Adeptus Mechanicus stuff.