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I think the Acheron stuff has been timed moreso to coincide with the recent WFB releases. A case of now or never? To me its a sign that they are intending to take the punt and release quite a comprehensive range, not just the big ticket items.
Was a little disappointed that they hinted their "acquisitions" included never before seen items and none were on display. One would think the launch at Gencon would have been just the place. At least there was a Warlike Moloch in there though, that will be a definate for the collection.
My wishlist of minis that I know have sculpts would be Dirz cavalry, the Wyrm, Salias 2nd and Athan Zakhil

Edit
CMON have posted a new pic of that cabinet that has, so I've read, an un-released Akkyshan sitting right up front. There are more minis in another cabinet as well with quite a bit more product. Also (same source) the release stocks of the Titan Dragon may possibly contain re-packaged originals that were never Ludik'd.

I hadn't considered the WHFB timing parallel. That kind of makes sense. If they are really smart with pricing they stand to make a really nice profit, I think.

Dai-bakemonos just in time for WHFB ogres release. Come on, you know you want to.

Think I may only get awnother Titan Dragon...

Might also need to find time to re-catalogue my collection of metals and sell off some of the duplicates that I will never paint.

everyone i know really liked Confrontation. Their decision to change their system and field prepainted plastic minis will go down in gaming history as one of the biggest faux pas of any company ever. I will wait to see if they pick up streangth or fail, before i invest any cash.

sennacherib wrote: I will wait to see if they pick up streangth or fail, before i invest any cash.

If you're talking about the game system then you mind as well give up, these are just model releases for collectors/etc

kenshin620 wrote:

sennacherib wrote: I will wait to see if they pick up streangth or fail, before i invest any cash.

If you're talking about the game system then you mind as well give up, these are just model releases for collectors/etc

I would assume that much, but the hydra for example is supplied with conf cards... so we may wonder what's up down the road.

NAVARRO wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

sennacherib wrote: I will wait to see if they pick up streangth or fail, before i invest any cash.

If you're talking about the game system then you mind as well give up, these are just model releases for collectors/etc

I would assume that much, but the hydra for example is supplied with conf cards... so we may wonder what's up down the road.

Exactly!

There's still hope.

But, having said that, there's still the need for some serious re-balancing work with C3!

Rackham models back? What do I think?

Wolven fistpump!



Missed this range terribly as they were my all time favorite fantasy range, glad to see them return!

Commander Cain wrote:Rackham models back? What do I think?

Wolven fistpump!



Missed this range terribly as they were my all time favorite fantasy range, glad to see them return!

Devourer fist bump in return and followed by a goblin stab in the back.

EDIT: system claims this is 3 months old, I assume thats the starting post since august was just a month away

Update from CMON, though it may not be what you want

Nothing big I think

(for really large pictures http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/confrontation-miniatures/confrontation-acheron-pack-5.html)

Next up for Confrontation re-releases, the Acherons live again!
This pack contains 5 miniatures:Ejhin de Vanth, Azael the Unfaithful, The Gorgon, Gargoyle of Acheron 1 and Gargoyle of Acheron 2. Cast in high quality resin with every individual piece lovingly placed in their own vacuum form cavities.

Hmm, I'm a little worried as to how well this will sell and lead to more releases.
Gargoyles and the Gorgon were some of the models I most frequently found multiples of at stores when I was trawling for metal Confrontation towards the end.
They are all nice to excellent models though, although that's not hard to pull off unless they start digging up the early Dwarf and Goblin stuff.

Strange choices again. Where are the black paladins? Are they rolling dice to select models for re-release?

Acheron has tons of models that would sell like hotcakes... Azael the Unfaithful...good luck with that.

Yeah, I have to agree, the only figure worth a darn there is de Vanth. Everything else in that pack is pretty lame.

Black Paladins, the Scavengers, the Zombie unit and command squad... Lots of stuff would have worked better here.

$80 for 5 minis!?

Original Rackham Acheron are SO easy to find on Ebay and various e-tailers that this price point is simply laughable.

Scottywan82 wrote:Yeah, I have to agree, the only figure worth a darn there is de Vanth. Everything else in that pack is pretty lame.

Same.

And as much as the metals are worshiped, the plastic Gargoyles from the Ram box not only look fine as is, the sculpts are better than the metals IMO.

Hmmm still a little disappointed, but glad they are keeping the releases up.

Platuan4th wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Yeah, I have to agree, the only figure worth a darn there is de Vanth. Everything else in that pack is pretty lame.

Same.

And as much as the metals are worshiped, the plastic Gargoyles from the Ram box not only look fine as is, the sculpts are better than the metals IMO.

I completely agree. The new Skeletons were nice too.

Really, more than a retread of old figures...

Wait, let me rephrase: Instead of PRIMARILY focusing on old figures, I think they'd do better to bring out new sculpts by the same sculptors to flesh out or update the line. Some of the very first Confrontation models are pretty lame (Looking at YOU, Azael!) and could really benefit from an updated look.

Id' fill the space with re-releases, but I agree with the majority here that 5 figures for $16 a pop is no dice unless all five are awesome. These five as a bundle don't make the cut.

What? 1 Pack? So we cant buy them individually?

ancientsociety wrote:$80 for 5 minis!?

Original Rackham Acheron are SO easy to find on Ebay and various e-tailers that this price point is simply laughable.

Having spent a lot of time ebaying Confrontation minis lately, I would tend to dispute this. They are one of the more under-represented armies on there.

Altruizine wrote:

ancientsociety wrote:$80 for 5 minis!?

Original Rackham Acheron are SO easy to find on Ebay and various e-tailers that this price point is simply laughable.

Having spent a lot of time ebaying Confrontation minis lately, I would tend to dispute this. They are one of the more under-represented armies on there.

The usual suspects for Acheron on e-bay are Morbid Puppets, Skeleton Warriors, _every model in that set except for de Vanth_, and the occasional very expensive Cerberus.

I am tempted to buy the Archeron set, just to show my support, but the price is so steep.

The Rackham range is so characterful, it'd be almost tragic to see them go away.

Hopefully they make tons of sales and start reviving the range, particularily the orcs (so much better than the GW ones).

What were the initial number of editions for the flesh golem and hydra? They only have a handful remaining which means good sales, unless they only casted dozens.

Muhahapu wrote:I am tempted to buy the Archeron set, just to show my support, but the price is so steep.

The Rackham range is so characterful, it'd be almost tragic to see them go away.

Hopefully they make tons of sales and start reviving the range, particularily the orcs (so much better than the GW ones).

What were the initial number of editions for the flesh golem and hydra? They only have a handful remaining which means good sales, unless they only casted dozens.

I think it was originally 200 a piece but Legacy were intending to do more limited runs and top up the Cmon levels if they sold really well. Surprised also at the choice in terms of minis and marketing not sure it was the right decision. Afaik the Mid-Nor Cyclops was supposed to be part of Wave 2 also but that is a no show atm. Maybe Belial would have been a better choice if they were intending a themed release.

There was Gencon related talk that some of the masters for various CoRag plastics might be re-tooled/updated and cast in resin but that could be a long way off. Some of the later designs were actually quite good and there were many more that never saw release (Dirz especially). Imo as a starting point for the newer range the plastics were a lot better than the original metals and it was obvious the quality was improving. Bought both de Vanth and de Brisis recently (cheap) and have had much fun removing the paint.

Word is that Legacy have committed to six waves initially following which they will assess the feasibility of continuing the project. There will only be a handful (3?) of unseen designs with the rest being re-releases from whatever faction. There will be no dedicated website for at least 5-6 months so how they will assess the markets opinion is anyones guess.

My interest in this project is starting to cool off. I need to see some of the big ticket items. The name confrontation has appeal but simply, it's not enough. If Legacy plans to assess viability based on ill-informed releases like this last acheron set, they will get what's coming to them.

If they were to generate some interest with say a rerelease of the molochs, or the fan favorite dirz line (nemesis clone, centurius clones). I am still interested but I certainly won't be holding my breath if the current marketing strategy contines.

AesSedai wrote:My interest in this project is starting to cool off.

I feel your pain... My interest just died with the fact they are not for sale individually... and at those prices its just ridiculous, I mean if I have some of those minis in my collection ( which is a big possibility for any Rackham fan) I'm stuck to spend a large dollar bill on same minis.

I think that this time greed will kill confrontation again.

CMON folks if your listening, quit this nonsense please!

CMON "responded" to the thread over on TTGN with:

Let me first say that we are all ears when it comes to Confrontation products. Afterall, it is the customers that determine the purchases. In fact, the reason why Wave 2 is delayed is because we decided to make some last minute square bases to accomodate the 3.5 players based on suggestions. So don’t think that we are all decided on the path of how we are releasing these waves.

This is what I can confirm:

Hydra is now sold out, not surprising. There are no immediate plans to make anymore.
We are down to the last 31 Flesh Golems, so it is just a matter of time when they are sold out as well.
There is a second release for Wave 2 which is the Cyclop of Mid-nor. We are waiting for the 50mm square bases to be finished and we will put them up for sale.
Wave 3 will come in October consisting of 2 packs: Pack 1 – All 6 original Fiannas with Drac Mac Syro, the barbarian that you could only get with the Ragnarok box set. Pack 2 – Molochs.
Wave 4 will be the Titan Dragon that everyone love so much.

This pattern of release will continue. Feel free to post here or write us with suggestions and feedback, and we’ll make sure Legacy Miniatures knows what the community thinks.

They had better make ~500 of the Fianna boxes; those things are damned near impossible to find.
The Molochs would also be cool if they are not too expensive.

Wake me when they make Devourers.

Platuan4th wrote:Wake me when they make Devourers.

Yes, please!

There were so many great modes in that range...

Devourers and Dirz were two of my favorites, along with Tir-na-Bor and Wolfen!

And... almost all the others!

Orcs of Bran-o-Kor still are number one for me. They had the awesomest history of any of the races.

Well it seems that their judgment is sound. Perhaps this Acheron mixed release was a feeler; testing to see if they could sell cruddy models by burying them in with less cruddy models.