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Scottywan82 wrote:I just wish CMON would get with it and offer these for a reasonable price! I cannot believe they'd go through with all this if it was costing them so much they needed to charge prices like these.

Wait... CMoN is owned by GW now? o.O

NAVARRO wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

NAVARRO wrote: 79.9 plus shipping? Thats just ridiculous!

Methinks putting in OOP Limited Release tends to jack up prices 40-60% more

How is this OOP ( out of production) since they just got the license and at least the first batch is 200 recasts?

Did they created the artwork? did they hired the sculptor? they just recasted the thing.

So yeah you can hate the unoficcial recasters and can detest some fleabay leeches that try to jack the prices but what is CMON doing so different really? Oh they have the license.

For things like unreleased models I can try to understand the price tag but for this mini that if your patient you can find the original in metal?

I'm very very disappointed to see confrontation handled yet again sooo badly.

This. So much this, it's not even funny...

LunaHound wrote:Rackham need to re-release these beauties so i don't have to pay counterfeiters $20 EACH for them

Rackham is no more!

Blame CMON if you need to blame someone for this!

And I agree - the initial choices and prices for this line have been... interesting.

plastictrees wrote:The only "infantry" models they've released so far break down to ~$16 each, so ok, I guess you should definitely go buy dodgy recasts rather than buy the models you want from the people that own the rights to the masters.

You underestimate the competence of chinese counterfeiters >.>
Like seriously, if CMON is going to charge that high. they are just encouraging more counterfeiters to sell on ebay.

plastictrees wrote:

The only "infantry" models they've released so far break down to ~$16 each, so ok, I guess you should definitely go buy dodgy recasts rather than buy the models you want from the people that own the rights to the masters.

Well, for the sake of accuracy, the price he quoted was incorrect and/or an exaggeration.

They are a a $49.99 US Buy-it-now item on ebay. So more like $16.55 each. The shipping is listed (for me) at $7.00, which is cheaper than what CMON charged me for my last order from them. They are also metal, which some hobbyists prefer to resin. And, lastly, from what I've read the Chinese copies aren't really that "dodgy". I've heard several people report that they are indistinguishable from the real thing, other than them being pre-filed/cleaned, sometimes more roughly than an experienced hobbyist would achieve, and having thinner tabs than the old Rackham minis.

We also haven't seen enough of Legacy's pricing to know whether or not the price-per-mini will rise on premium, highly collectible infantry models, and there is also the chance that the Black Paladins will be packaged with other less desirable models.

So, with all that in mind, it doesn't seem like CMON/Legacy have done enough to make their option a clearly superior choice to ebay recasts.

Aside from questions of quality, given that prices are at least comparable, I would rather buy from the people that actually own the rights to the models. At the very least you're sustaining the slight hope that support for the actual game might return at some point.


I'm not sure how the company that bought the masters etc. to make Rackham models is an evil greed monster that should be boycotted, but the recaster that invested 5$ in rubber, lego and lead is a totally valid avenue.

plastictrees wrote:Aside from questions of quality, given that prices are at least comparable, I would rather buy from the people that actually own the rights to the models. At the very least you're sustaining the slight hope that support for the actual game might return at some point.


I'm not sure how the company that bought the masters etc. to make Rackham models is an evil greed monster that should be boycotted, but the recaster that invested 5$ in rubber, lego and lead is a totally valid avenue.

Im not arguing with morality atm. Im making 2 statements.
a) Chinese counterfeiters are alot better than you expected.
b) Before Legacy produce confrontation minis, most of ebay confrontation has been supplied by counterfeiters.
Which means for w/e moral issues involved, they are already ok with buying counterfeits.
If the price isn't attractive, its not going to convince the customers to buy "legit" products.

I've heard very mixed reviews of recasts. If you've had good experiences or heard about good experiences then that's great, but it doesn't suddenly make me believe that you're not taking more of a risk than buying from an actual manufacturer.

Stating that everyone bought models from re-casters before there was another avenue to buy those models from isn't very helpful. Rolex doesn't react to counterfeiters by trying to undercut them.

I'm sure you're not "arguing with morality", and while I do take that into account to an extent, the marginal price difference, the fact that you get the cards, and the fact that you're supporting a company that might take the brand somewhere (unlikely I know) is enough to make what Legacy is offering more attractive to me personally.
Obviously I'd rather they had lower prices, but they don't.

Rolex isnt a good analogy.

The significance of Rolex is your status and prestige. Wearing a counterfeit one you wont convince anyone its real anyways.

Miniatures are alot easier. Do they share same details? are they same materials? If yes, paint them up and thats it. No one can tell the difference and the intention of owning them isn't the same as owning a Rolex.

Yes, beeline for the least important part of my post.

Back to work for me.

I wonder if Legacy will be filling the holes in the 4e army lists.

Altruizine wrote:
Well, for the sake of accuracy, the price he quoted was incorrect and/or an exaggeration.

They are a a $49.99 US Buy-it-now item on ebay. So more like $16.55 each. The shipping is listed (for me) at $7.00, which is cheaper than what CMON charged me for my last order from them. They are also metal, which some hobbyists prefer to resin. And, lastly, from what I've read the Chinese copies aren't really that "dodgy". I've heard several people report that they are indistinguishable from the real thing, other than them being pre-filed/cleaned, sometimes more roughly than an experienced hobbyist would achieve, and having thinner tabs than the old Rackham minis.

We also haven't seen enough of Legacy's pricing to know whether or not the price-per-mini will rise on premium, highly collectible infantry models, and there is also the chance that the Black Paladins will be packaged with other less desirable models.

So, with all that in mind, it doesn't seem like CMON/Legacy have done enough to make their option a clearly superior choice to ebay recasts.

I have to speak up on this point. I have orders a pair of figures (2nd gen Red Lioness and Oni style ogres) from different Chinese recasters and have been disappointed. They are not close to the quality of the original casts and on top of that were made from a poor quality lead. It was grainy and brittle. Did not take well to filing. Hardly worth the cost.

Also, to those saying there were no costs associated with getting these figs, I higly doubt they magically appeared on the door step of CMON. I know Reaper was also openly trying to get their hands on the masters and saw it mentioned both Fantasy Flight and Dust Games were interested too. So there was multiple companies vying for these figs and without doubt increased the cost of obtaining the masters. To say the only costs that were associated with these figs was casting is wrong.

That being said, $80 US a fig... I am glad I was able to pick up the cyclops through Ludik Bazar a few years ago. Though it was close to $50+ US back then with S&H.
The $80 cost is probably tied more to measuring Ebay prices for the figs. $80 does not seem a far reach for what that fig goes for when it shows up. Whether there are 200 people will to pay that is another question.

I think if people offered $80 for metal cyclops on some other sites people would glady supply them. Hell if you want to buy one for $80 plus shipping I'll glady sell you one I have still un-assembled.

Their prices are way to high. For un-released new kits they can charge whatever they want really and people will either buy them or they wont. For older miniatures people still have available those prices are insane.

The only new mini I bought was Hydra, which for its price I still feel was overpriced but its a large model and was never previously made.

Im still able to pick up almost all the miniatures I want at worst case for old retail, but I would say 90% of the confrontation miniatures I have still been buying and trading for have been at much under even old retail. An I have bought alot in the last couple months trying to complete my collection.

In general most normal sized miniatures/blisters you can get for under $10 on ebay or via other websites if you watch. Even large figures often go for less than $15 ea.

Very few of the metals sell for near the prices CMON is trying to charge. It is a bad business decision and in general generating alot of ill will in the community if they are paying any attention.

Heh, just found a sub 35$ Cyclops on Ebay with two bids and two days to go. Wonder if it'll go for anything close to what CMON asks for a resin one.

Anyone wants to take a guess when the first resin recasts of the Hydra will hit the Bay?

His Master's Voice wrote:Heh, just found a sub 35$ Cyclops on Ebay with two bids and two days to go. Wonder if it'll go for anything close to what CMON asks for a resin one.

Anyone wants to take a guess when the first resin recasts of the Hydra will hit the Bay?

Trust me, it doesn't stay at that.

Expect the Mid-nor living tower to show up sooner or later and is a similar size model. Remember it retailing for $50 back in 2005. Adjust for inflation, it would be about $60 these days. Was able to get a couple three years ago for about $35 a pop through Ludik, but then they ran out. They would show up on Ebay occasionally, but last I saw went for $90+. People are willing to pay that level of money based on limited availability. There are only 200 of these new cyclopes out there right now, so technically this is a limited release.

Like I said before, CMON is betting there are 200 people willing to pay $80 for a fig. We just don't happen to be among those.

One fig set I expect to sell out fast even at the new pricing is the Fianna Barbarians. Those ebay for $20+ a fig on ebay right now. You can get lucky if one shows up with a crap paint job and might be able to get it for $15.

Wake me up when they rerelease the Ashigaru goblins, but not before

I'm in it for the goblins, too. Any of the goblins for me, though.

Kroothawk wrote:Wake me up when they rerelease the Ashigaru goblins, but not before

I have all the Ashigaru gobbos, I will sell them at CMON prices, 100 per mini

@_@!

how much do Fianas sell for!?

I don't use ebay as an indication of actual market value for anything. At any given time price is determined by "usually" a handful of punters with the outcome a result of how much one person is willing to pay. I see this all the time with AT43 Oni, Ophidian and other rarities. For certain items there's normally a list of usual suspects involved, in my case even a specific guy I bash heads with when bidding on Devourers (lost track of how many times we've sniped each other). Just because I would be prepared to fork out whatever $'s for say Slashers doesnt mean that next week an identical blister will sell for the same amount. It could sell quite easily for less purchased by someone who missed out previously. Even how much I would be willing to spend is determined moreso by other factors than a supposed "ebay market value". Postage (international) is a big one, currency exchange rates another but theres the bonus of often finding additional items offered by the same seller. You can add probably 3/4 of the postage rate to your max bid as that cost will be combined and if you win earlier auctions for less than anticipated that difference can also be added to the next. You end up spending close to what you expected but the value on each item is all over the place.

Back on topic I think we may all be in for a nasty shock when the price for the Molochs is listed.

His Master's Voice wrote:Heh, just found a sub 35$ Cyclops on Ebay with two bids and two days to go. Wonder if it'll go for anything close to what CMON asks for a resin one.

Anyone wants to take a guess when the first resin recasts of the Hydra will hit the Bay?

The cyclops went for $81 US. There was another one that sold for $90 US prior to them releasing it, so their price is relatively good. If you get one cheaper than what they are selling them for you doing pretty good.