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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/12 19:36:37
Subject: Confrontation!
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/12 19:48:48
Subject: Confrontation!
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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There was quite a price difference between standard range and collectors range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/12 19:54:19
Subject: Confrontation!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Duncan_Idaho wrote:There was quite a price difference between standard range and collectors range.
Boy howdy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/12 20:11:16
Subject: Confrontation!
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Llamahead wrote:If pure collector lines do badly how do you explain Avatars of War?
Avatars of War aren't really a pure collector's range...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/12 21:46:37
Subject: Confrontation!
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insaniak wrote:Llamahead wrote:If pure collector lines do badly how do you explain Avatars of War?
Avatars of War aren't really a pure collector's range...
Exactly!
They fit so well into GW's existing Fantasy Lines that I'm surprised that they aren't 'official' miniatures!
A pure "collector's line" based off of a now defunct game system that isn't going to be brought back?
I'm not saying it will sink the ship, but it will certainly limit my purchases, especially as the miniatures, while undeniably beautiful, don't really 'fit' the aesthetic of any system I currently use.
On top of all that, AoW actually have their own game/rule set too, "Arena DeathMatch".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/13 00:23:03
Subject: Confrontation!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i want the hydra. i hope it's resin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/13 00:49:52
Subject: Confrontation!
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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All the models are going to be in resin Sanjay
Most of masters have been recovered but not the moulds.
They are having to make the moulds from scratch, which has influenced the decision to do limited numbers of resin releases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 02:40:23
Subject: Confrontation!
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Plastictrees
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Pleasantly surprised that they're planning to include the cards with the minis, I didn't think that was an expense they'd want to deal with.
Thinking about it, it was pretty incredible the amount of stuff crammed into some of those Confrontation blisters. 5+ cards, full colour rule booklet, full colour card tokens, and it's not as if they were setting new price points either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 13:46:01
Subject: Confrontation!
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Sinewy Scourge
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Anyone have a pic of the Hydra? I last saw it years ago and as a mid nor player at that time, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 14:42:27
Subject: Confrontation!
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Good question!
I'm pretty sure I never saw it, so I'd love to now, please!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 15:29:25
Subject: Confrontation!
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Using Inks and Washes
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oooooo! Resin. I am pretty sure there will be some fine casting coming out of this effort. I am sold. Not happy it is CMoN involved though - that will reduce how much I order.
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2014 will be the year of zero GW purchases. Kneadite instead of GS, no paints or models. 2014 will be the year I finally make the move to military models and away from miniature games. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 17:47:28
Subject: Confrontation!
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fullheadofhair wrote:oooooo! Resin. I am pretty sure there will be some fine casting coming out of this effort. I am sold. Not happy it is CMoN involved though - that will reduce how much I order.
Same here - and lack of support for a 'new' edition of the game might reduce my order size further still...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 18:50:10
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Plastictrees
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What's the problem with CMoN exactly? I haven't ordered a tonne from them exactly, but apart from some of their early painting contest minis being garbage I haven't had any problems either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 19:03:13
Subject: Confrontation!
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They have an unfortunate link (direct) to a rather shady past.
Some info here:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=75885
and from right here in this very thread, one page back:
Hellfury wrote:I was initially thrilled until I read that CMON is in control of this:
Alpharius wrote:"Obviously we're thrilled", said David Doust, co-founder of Cool Mini Or Not. "Although we handle beautiful miniatures every day, there is something special about Confrontation. We're looking forward to helping bring these miniatures back to life."
For further information, please contact info@legacyminiatures.com at Legacy Miniatures, or sales@coolminiornot.com at CoolMiniOrNot Inc.
Oh how quickly the miniatures world forgets the diarrhea that was NEWWAVE MINIATURES and the gross fraudulent activities that David Doust involved himself in, not even a decade ago.
I however have not forgotten being ripped of for hundreds of dollars in product that was never rectified, so this news that should be outstanding and great news leaves me feeling somewhat reserved.
Edit to add link of merely one example of MANY on the net regarding Newwave's chicanery
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 22:13:43
Subject: Confrontation!
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AesSedai wrote:Anyone have a pic of the Hydra? I last saw it years ago and as a mid nor player at that time, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/14 22:20:08
Subject: Re:Confrontation!
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Using Object Source Lighting
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I remember that Hydra, not on my wish list... I would rather see all of midnor old minis back on sale... That would be a faction I would enjoy collecting and was about to do that before they turned off the plug on that faction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 01:00:15
Subject: Confrontation!
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Plastictrees
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Alpharius wrote:They have an unfortunate link (direct) to a rather shady past.
Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 01:08:26
Subject: Confrontation!
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I have bought from CMON a few times and they were fine folks. I don't know about past problems, but after 4-5 orders of various sizes I haven't had any issues. They are not the Warstore, but perfectly acceptable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 01:26:32
Subject: Confrontation!
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plastictrees wrote:Alpharius wrote:They have an unfortunate link (direct) to a rather shady past.
Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
I'm fairly certain it wasn't just three or so guys on the net that were victimized by "New Wave Miniatures" back in the day.
But, also in the name of fairness, CMON seems to have not followed down the same path.
Anyway, that Hydra miniature is all kinds of weird.
I'd love to see a painted version, as I'm not sure whether or not I like it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 01:54:00
Subject: Re:Confrontation!
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Stubborn Hammerer
$1,000,000 and a 50% discount
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I'm gonna get me some Wolfen. Unfortunately by the time I actually discovered Confrontation (directed there by a friend) they'd already shut down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 02:09:41
Subject: Re:Confrontation!
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Sinewy Scourge
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Thanks for the pic. Now I remember why I had a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I don't see any overt visual tie in with the rest of the mid nor range. I guess the next step is to wait to see it's rules and a painted version. I think it is a really weak way to start up the rereleased range. Why not start with a proven crown pleaser from Dirz or even something else from mid nor. The flesh golem was never a really popular model and the hydra is totally blah.
I just don't get who makes decisions like this--
Resin Worgs
Resin Cynwall dragon
Resin Dirz wyrm, etc
All of these are appropriate for grabbing people's attention, be they old fans or people who have never seen a rackham model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 02:22:55
Subject: Confrontation!
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Plastictrees
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I like parts of the hydra, not a stunning model though. If that's really a WIP then maybe there is still some Mid-Nor-ification to occur.
I do like the Flesh Golem, but it stretches my capacity to fool myself into thinking I'll ever paint/use it.
I'd be all over something as simple as Black Paladins though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 02:49:48
Subject: Re:Confrontation!
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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I'm still in love with these three.
Got a blister off Ebay a while before and plan to make a fantasy diorama some time in the future. On the other hand I'd like to paint them as a gift to a few people...I hope they make more of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 03:03:03
Subject: Confrontation!
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Using Inks and Washes
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plastictrees wrote:Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
One thing I hate in life is internet know it alls with no clue about what they are talking about. You must be either young, new to gaming or internet forums not to have heard of NWM. It was more than three people and people lost quite a bit of money. They took a lot of money from many people knowing they didn't have the stock to send out - their customer service also sucked which was a pain when they charged your credit card and then didn't send out orders or better yet partial orders. Before you make smart ass comments do a bit of research so you don;t look like an idiot.
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2014 will be the year of zero GW purchases. Kneadite instead of GS, no paints or models. 2014 will be the year I finally make the move to military models and away from miniature games. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 04:12:19
Subject: Confrontation!
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fullheadofhair wrote:plastictrees wrote:Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
One thing I hate in life is internet know it alls with no clue about what they are talking about. You must be either young, new to gaming or internet forums not to have heard of NWM. It was more than three people and people lost quite a bit of money. They took a lot of money from many people knowing they didn't have the stock to send out - their customer service also sucked which was a pain when they charged your credit card and then didn't send out orders or better yet partial orders. Before you make smart ass comments do a bit of research so you don;t look like an idiot.
Some people did get credited (I was one of them) but that may have
been because of the BBB reports and such. However, the stock that
did arrive came with shredded papers for filler...and what appeared to
be business or transaction documents. I never actually glued the stuff
together to figure it out (Penguin from Batman Returns), but it seemed
like a bad idea to even send stuff out like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 06:42:20
Subject: Confrontation!
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Plastictrees
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fullheadofhair wrote:plastictrees wrote:Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
One thing I hate in life is internet know it alls with no clue about what they are talking about. You must be either young, new to gaming or internet forums not to have heard of NWM. It was more than three people and people lost quite a bit of money. They took a lot of money from many people knowing they didn't have the stock to send out - their customer service also sucked which was a pain when they charged your credit card and then didn't send out orders or better yet partial orders. Before you make smart ass comments do a bit of research so you don;t look like an idiot.
You seem annoyed. Maybe take a nap or have a sandwich. I can get pretty cranky when I'm hungry.
Far from being a know it all, I'm specifically saying that I don't know what the people saying to be wary of CMON are talking about. I found the link provided pretty vague, and I certainly don't care enough about this to start researching it if the people warning others in this thread don't feel the need to elaborate. I was only sporadically paying attention to DakkaDakka and the internet TTG/mini community in general between about 2005 and 2007, so if this happened during that time I likely missed it.
N'Ferno wrote:I'm still in love with these three.
Got a blister off Ebay a while before and plan to make a fantasy diorama some time in the future. On the other hand I'd like to paint them as a gift to a few people...I hope they make more of them.
They are pretty awesome. The worst thing about this is going to be the slow release schedule. Well, hopefully that's the worst thing...I guess I'll wait until we see some prices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 09:16:18
Subject: Confrontation!
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plastictrees wrote:Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
Rot is still rot if you plaster over it. These people are not getting my money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 09:25:05
Subject: Confrontation!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Yes Aggy, 'cause people never change and people can never make up for anything they've ever done. Ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 10:12:21
Subject: Re:Confrontation!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Well, there's the nazis. And GW.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 12:22:06
Subject: Confrontation!
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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plastictrees wrote:Alpharius wrote:They have an unfortunate link (direct) to a rather shady past.
Yeah, I saw the earlier link. I thought there might be something more nefarious and damning than three or so anonymous guys on the internet that might have been ripped off five years ago.
I've heard no complaints about CMON, and they've had a store for a while now, I'm not seeing the problem.
Didn't you have a habit yourself of taking army commissions and not completing work / refunding money / returning minis? It's not surprising that your sympathies lie with Newave.
I was only sporadically paying attention to DakkaDakka and the internet TTG/mini community in general between about 2005 and 2007, so if this happened during that time I likely missed it.
Yeah I think it was around this time. The thing with newave and also your commission work.
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