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Is there a problem with CMoN's trading practice?
That would be a more immediate concern.

I have heard no complaints and this is the first I have heard of the previous debacle. Assume the answer is therefore negatory.

cmon have cleaned up their shop a lot since the newave days. For a time they used to delete complaints about the new shop on the cmon forum but I believe they don't do this any more either (though it's been a while since I've seen one).

I've never used them but I'll be buying the confrontation stuff.

Jazz is for Losers wrote:cmon have cleaned up their shop a lot since the newave days. For a time they used to delete complaints about the new shop on the cmon forum but I believe they don't do this any more either (though it's been a while since I've seen one).
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...because it's been deleted?

I kid!

I've ordered stuff from CMON without realizing who they were. Got my stuff quickly!

Im definitely excited for the Hydra and Titan Dragon...

They will sit nicely beside my existing Cynwal Dragons and Tarascuses (what's the plural for Tarascus?)

Sorry about the thread derailing a bit on the old Newwave subject.

I have not ordered from CMON due to the very direct link between CMON's co-founder David Doust and Newwave (which David Doust also owned), but in entire fairness, if there have been complaints about CMON service I have not seen any.

That said, I would rather set money on fire than take a chance with a company associated with the Doust name, regardless of the lack of complaints about CMON.

The list of complaints ran for quite sometime. All the way from 2001 to a crescendo in 2003-4 and going much later. I wish it were just 3 vociferous and anonymous internet guys making complaints, but there are pages of complaints about them on google. Let me repeat that: pages of complaints. And when you consider that much of those threads are lost due to website closures (even dakka's old threads cannot be adequately accessed form that time) it becomes clear that this isnt isolated nerd rage.

Not that I begrudge anyone doing business with them because they very well may have changed with someone else having a say in how orders are handled to make sure accusations of fraud are no longer leveled against them. If they are now doing good business then I wish them success as any good and fair business should enjoy. Too bad I cannot get what is owed to me.

But there is only so much good will that can be spread around. It may be wise to forgive, but only a fool forgets.

Hydra set pics. The connections are very blocky

Looks pretty solid. Not a sculpt I'm interested in, but with nice solid connectors and in resin this beast probably needs very little pinning.

Does this mean the Cynwall Dragon could be re-released?






OHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASE

Price tag?

The connectors are blocky so that you do not misfit a piece. I've got the Rackham Flesh Golem with identical connectors and they're cast PERFECTLY. It's an impossibility to attach a piece at a wrong angle or place. It also makes pinning unnecessary.

As for the model... God, I want it sooo baaad! And I don't even like Mid-Nor!

NAVARRO wrote:Price tag?

None yet. In an interview Legacy said the price would be "comparable" to other competitor's offerings. Vague, I know. This was about $300 Canadian (Which is currently on par with the US dollar) when it was released. I almost bought it when it arrive at my LGS. My damn kids insisted on eating that month though. Ungrateful whelps...


Very vague interview bleow:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/interview-legacy-miniatures-confrontation/

Edit: Changed the price from $450, $300 seems more likely. Given that I also claim to remember riding to school on a mastadon, I probably misremembered.

Thanks for the Info... you know as much as I would like to make another faction, the price tag on these things are going to be crucial for me personally... I would love to see the miniatures at similar prices tags of the past R full retail prices or probably a bit more, but the Ltd edit title really scares me.

I also get the feeling they are going to concentrate on the big imposing figs first... speculating here...

My wish list of rereleases is kind of errr HUGE muahaha but the first thing I would like to see available is:

Zombies box set!... Mid nor Cyclop and regiments... Those are sweet box sets...

I very much doubt it'll cost 450$; it appears to be smaller than the Tarascus and that cost what, 200-250$? Also I'm pretty sure the Hydra was never released, this will be the first time.

I'd love to get some of those dwarf ladies, and that awesome dragon.

-DE- wrote:I very much doubt it'll cost 450$; it appears to be smaller than the Tarascus and that cost what, 200-250$? Also I'm pretty sure the Hydra was never released, this will be the first time.

I think Mastiff is referring to the Dragon with that $ value.

NAVARRO wrote:Thanks for the Info... you know as much as I would like to make another faction, the price tag on these things are going to be crucial for me personally... I would love to see the miniatures at similar prices tags of the past R full retail prices or probably a bit more, but the Ltd edit title really scares me.

I also get the feeling they are going to concentrate on the big imposing figs first... speculating here...

I think you're right; they'll do big things first to test out the market. It sounds like they need time and money to get production-worthy moulds, so it makes more sense to start with big-ticket items that haven't been released in the past, or can't be found.

-DE- wrote:I very much doubt it'll cost 450$; it appears to be smaller than the Tarascus and that cost what, 200-250$? Also I'm pretty sure the Hydra was never released, this will be the first time.

You could be right, my memory is pretty bad sometimes. I just did some searching for the Titan Dragon and found several mentions that the original price was just under $300. Even with the exchange I'm way off. I'll edit the original so I don't panic people.

And no, the Hydra was never released. Some preview pics showed up a few years ago, but that was when Rackham was already imploding

Youch - these prices... Not sure if I'll be jumping in on any of the 'big' models after all!

Legacy Miniatures is btw, controlled by Dust Games.

Just received the CMON newsletter and the prices are 79.99 for the golem and 119.99 for the hydra not sure how big those are but the prices are a bit steep

Prices revealed on the CMON newsletter I just received:

Hydra $119.99

Flesh Golem $79.99



...personally, these price points are WAY too high and I honestly don't think many will pay these prices, which does not look good for getting more releases. We will see though...

They are big models, it's not an _absurd_ price, but it's not going to have many people picking them up "just because".

It's an odd initial release, I'm assuming there was some other reasons at play, maybe they had partial existing molds for these guys and didn't have to re-master everything?

The prizes are identical to the planned original prizes and actually I don´t have any problems with them. They are limited run prizes.

plastictrees wrote:They are big models, it's not an _absurd_ price, but it's not going to have many people picking them up "just because".

It's an odd initial release, I'm assuming there was some other reasons at play, maybe they had partial existing molds for these guys and didn't have to re-master everything?

These are not large enough to justify those prices.

Those are the median prices that collectors have been paying for these.

I have the Flesh Golem and its no larger than a MC from GW and is smaller than all the SoM Monsters just released.

The only few items I would purchase from a re-release would be the Titan Dragon of Arklash (much larger than the Cynwall Dragon) and a Golborak.

I already have 2 Tarascus and paid no more than $170 AUD for either.

It is a bit of an odd choice to restart a line and to drum up interest.

I suppose they really are going to be going after the limited market of collectors and painters only, so this whole project might not be as exciting as I was hoping...

Alpharius wrote:It is a bit of an odd choice to restart a line and to drum up interest.

I suppose they really are going to be going after the limited market of collectors and painters only, so this whole project might not be as exciting as I was hoping...

This is the approach Rackham should have taken before things went downhill...

Instead, they focussed on the game system and complex (read: poorly translated) rules.

Not only this, the "revival" with PP Plastics was the exact opposite to what was required. Rackham's appeal has always been the sculpts, not the rules. The pre-painted plastics were an insult to their existing fans and the final nail in the coffin.

AvatarForm wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It is a bit of an odd choice to restart a line and to drum up interest.

I suppose they really are going to be going after the limited market of collectors and painters only, so this whole project might not be as exciting as I was hoping...

This is the approach Rackham should have taken before things went downhill...

Instead, they focussed on the game system and complex (read: poorly translated) rules.

Not only this, the "revival" with PP Plastics was the exact opposite to what was required. Rackham's appeal has always been the sculpts, not the rules. The pre-painted plastics were an insult to their existing fans and the final nail in the coffin for me.

Sorry to edit, but I get a really bad taste in mouth when other people try to put words there. I know more folks who started playing Rackham games AFTER they went to PPP than ever played with the metals. So please don't go assuming your experience was the ONLY experience.

Some of us actually enjoyed C:AoR.

Well its a thing dead and buried I guess,( I mean the past world of frustration seeing the decline)... Hopefully CMON store can bring back some really hard to find oldies.

Scottywan82 wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It is a bit of an odd choice to restart a line and to drum up interest.

I suppose they really are going to be going after the limited market of collectors and painters only, so this whole project might not be as exciting as I was hoping...

This is the approach Rackham should have taken before things went downhill...

Instead, they focussed on the game system and complex (read: poorly translated) rules.

Not only this, the "revival" with PP Plastics was the exact opposite to what was required. Rackham's appeal has always been the sculpts, not the rules. The pre-painted plastics were an insult to their existing fans and the final nail in the coffin for me.

Sorry to edit, but I get a really bad taste in mouth when other people try to put words there. I know more folks who started playing Rackham games AFTER they went to PPP than ever played with the metals. So please don't go assuming your experience was the ONLY experience.

Some of us actually enjoyed C:AoR.

However, you were the minority as you clearly were not enough to keep the company afloat while the majority were as I described.

AvatarForm wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It is a bit of an odd choice to restart a line and to drum up interest.

I suppose they really are going to be going after the limited market of collectors and painters only, so this whole project might not be as exciting as I was hoping...

This is the approach Rackham should have taken before things went downhill...

Instead, they focussed on the game system and complex (read: poorly translated) rules.

Not only this, the "revival" with PP Plastics was the exact opposite to what was required. Rackham's appeal has always been the sculpts, not the rules. The pre-painted plastics were an insult to their existing fans and the final nail in the coffin for me.

Sorry to edit, but I get a really bad taste in mouth when other people try to put words there. I know more folks who started playing Rackham games AFTER they went to PPP than ever played with the metals. So please don't go assuming your experience was the ONLY experience.

Some of us actually enjoyed C:AoR.

However, you were the minority as you clearly were not enough to keep the company afloat while the majority were as I described.

Sales numbers for AT-43 prove you wrong. It sold better than even metal Confrontation, especially in the states.

And once again, anyone looking for metal Confrontation, PM me. One of the stores here in the Springs still has a third of a 4 foot tall by 12 foot long wall filled with 6-7 blister deep racks of the stuff and even many of the boxes. No one buys it except me, even after the plastic C:AoR and AT-43 stuff sold out.

@AF

Sales was not what Rackham killed in the end, it was a fraudulant mother company that bought Rackham and the money package that came with it to postpone its own bancruptcy for another year.

Rackham made a lot of mistakes but non would have really killed the company. AT was a success and the translation to plastic was to fast for Confrontation. And would Rackham not have switched to plastic at least with AT it would have been dead years befpre since metal sales dropped considerably due to the limited lifetime all skirmish systems have built in.

The AT-rules were some of the best in the industry btw.