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And add the increase price of making conversions as well.

Certainly overpriced, but then again I love my plastic crack. I still can't believe assault marines are $33 for 5 figs and doesn't even come with all the bits I need to field them how I like.

DarknessEternal wrote:This is the Digital Age; no one pays MSRP.

Then you have completely missed the point.
GW has raised itself the last few years by over 50% which means even online retailer isnt enough.

tko75 wrote:Hello everyone,

prices seem to constantly be going up. Firstly why is this

Prices go up because...

...wait for it...

...prices go up over time. This is neither new or interesting.
Does GW overprice it's products? Perhaps. However, these are luxury items so this shouldn't be a surprise in any case.

If they overprice anything, I would say it's a case-by-case basis.

Arandmoor wrote:

tko75 wrote:Hello everyone,

prices seem to constantly be going up. Firstly why is this

Prices go up because...

...wait for it...

...prices go up over time. This is neither new or interesting.
Does GW overprice it's products? Perhaps. However, these are luxury items so this shouldn't be a surprise in any case.

If they overprice anything, I would say it's a case-by-case basis.

K say case by case, person by person, how much more can you let GW raise their price according to been luxury items?

Land Raider was like $50, then $55, $62, $66

will be ok with it been $72? how about $79? Perhaps $85?

Im just curious to how much average dakkite will pay up to... so just give me a number xD

LunaHound wrote:

Arandmoor wrote:

tko75 wrote:Hello everyone,

prices seem to constantly be going up. Firstly why is this

Prices go up because...

...wait for it...

...prices go up over time. This is neither new or interesting.
Does GW overprice it's products? Perhaps. However, these are luxury items so this shouldn't be a surprise in any case.

If they overprice anything, I would say it's a case-by-case basis.

K say case by case, person by person, how much more can you let GW raise their price according to been luxury items?

Land Raider was like $50, then $55, $62, $66

will be ok with it been $72? how about $79? Perhaps $85?

Im just curious to how much average dakkite will pay up to... so just give me a number xD

They can continue to raise their prices until we're no longer willing to pay them.

That's kinda how this works.

I know, and i just want to know up to what price are you willing to accept for a Land Raider.

Theory we all know, im interested in your number :>

LunaHound wrote:I know, and i just want to know up to what price are you willing to accept for a Land Raider.

Theory we all know, im interested in your number :>

In Australian dollars, if it comes out to about $100 at a 20% off RRP online retailer, that would be my absolute limit. So something in the vicinity of $120 AUD at retail price is my absolute limit, I think.

Well, for all the moaning down under, GW does sell Landraiders for AUS$ 110,- from their own shop and Australia presumably isn't a loss-making country for them.

So, with incremental changes, they can probably raise prices for a Landraider to ~ US$ 110 in the states,- or ~ GBP 65,- in the UK, without fear of pricing more people out of the hobby then they would make up for with higher margins.

Zweischneid wrote:So, with incremental changes, they can probably raise prices for a Landraider to ~ US$ 110 in the states,- or ~ GBP 65,- in the UK, without fear of pricing more people out of the hobby then they would make up for with higher margins.

At that point it'd be cheaper to buy straight from Forgeworld.

That already is the cheaper option for us.

I'm certain this would have been said in the last 3 pages, but I only skimmed through.

Yes GW products are expensive, but they're a non-essential hobby product, if you can't afford/aren't willing to pay for them the answer is simple....don't buy them.

Yesterday, for the first time ever, I did come across something that's crossed my line for what I'd be willing to pay though. £41 for a Monolith is disgusting, and that's coming from the guy who has a decent sized Dark Eldar Beastmaster unit made entirely from the oficial GW metal models

Edit: OOH GOD! TYPO'S EVERYWHERE!

The luxury item excuse
It will be bloody Porsches next

Airfix kits, for example, could also be considered a luxury item, but still manage to represent good value for money.

Why do people insist on trotting out the "don't buy" comment? Do you think that we haven't already considered that for ourselves and put it into practice already?

Problem is that we should not buy GW products, run the company to the ground and kick it in the teeth for what they are doing.

But we can't do it because we are not a big number. I've bought a lot (A LOT) of products from Forgeworld lately but those were my last.

From now on I'll try NOT to buy from GW. I have enough honestly.

I've just been informed that the Uk prices are due to rise and so have quit both 40k and WHFB, I mean I will play them with what I have, but I sure as hell won't be buying anymore.

Besides it frees me up for FoW

Flames is another over expensive game... for the same amount of money asked for two Panthers I can buy at least four more from another dealer that has BETTER models. These guys (FoW) are people who ran away from Games Workshop but have learnt how to make profit.

There are a LOT of other companies that makes games and miniatures.

KOS wrote:Flames is another over expensive game... for the same amount of money asked for two Panthers I can buy at least four more from another dealer that has BETTER models. These guys (FoW) are people who ran away from Games Workshop but have learnt how to make profit.

There are a LOT of other companies that makes games and miniatures.

But the good thing about Flames is that there's no 'you can only use our miniatures' mentality - and there are plenty of other 15mm WWII miniatures makers out there.

since 40k costs a butt load i figure someone on this forum is a financial guru

make sense of this

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=GAW:LN

AresX8 wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:This is the Digital Age; no one pays MSRP.

This has been my motto for all of my purchasing decisions. I never buy MSRP for anything. I find it to be a dead concept with the Internet around.

Me too.

Why should I pay $12 MSRP now when I can wait 2 years and pay $40 for that figure? Or not even wait and pay a scalper $25 for it! Or pre-order it for $16.99!

Man the internet's such a great invention!

Seriously, people who think GW is expensive need to stay away from other hobbies, especially ones involving shortpacks and internet retailers raising prices for higher demand products and things going OOP regularly on TOP of inflation.

Just my take on the fantasy situation here but OK, TK, and SoM...

OK and TK aren't exactly the most popular armies, and SoM is simply a supplement that won't live outside of personal use and some tournies (I may be wrong on the tournies but I've never heard of an official one to use it yet).

Had they released new stuff for a more popular army like high elves/dwarves/empire then they might have seen better profits.

Also, a friend told me that over here in the states 40k is the most popular, while across the pond fantasy is the king. Not sure if it adds anything to this or not, still interesting to know.

Seriously, people who think GW is expensive need to stay away from other hobbies, especially ones involving shortpacks and internet retailers raising prices for higher demand products and things going OOP regularly on TOP of inflation.

okay wilco!
I will just have listening to GW excuses on the internet as a hobby
Costs nowt with plenty to spout

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Airfix kits, for example, could also be considered a luxury item, but still manage to represent good value for money.

Airfix kits, for example, also use quite a few old molds and have to be priced competitively because they're not the only one producing kits of the items in question.

I was thinking of their more recent offerings.
Whereas GW have nothing but freshly cut moulds?

GW aren't the only mini makers if you open your eyes to other possibilities. Yeah I know GW tournies etc

Kanluwen wrote:Airfix kits, for example, also use quite a few old molds and have to be priced competitively because they're not the only one producing kits of the items in question.

On the other hand they sell highly detailed plastic kits, some with hundreds of pieces for significantly less (depending on the kit) than the comparable GW kit. So whilst competition drives prices down - it is not as if Airfix are the only company with old moulds. I don't see GW reducing the price of models using prehistoric moulds, for example. This kind of invalidates any point you were trying to make to be honest

Model kits tend to have more, different sprue trees in a box.

AFAIK the more sprues you need the cost of production increases exponentially. Given the cost of tooling this makes sense.

I think it is to expensive...I play orks, so for the amount of boyz I need...I refuse to spend 40$ on 10 models. I think that just robbery

Nobody has mentioned that GW have managed to hike prices twice in the UK this year. When our VAT rate rose to 20% from 17.5% they added a generous extra slug on top. IIRC a unit of dire avangers was supposed to go up 50p but I think it went up by £1+, then they stuck on another rise when Finecast came out. This is shameless and frankly silly.

Surely they would do better with a price drop right now, or even a freeze. Announce a freeze now for 12 months and I'll bet that would keep a lot happy. However, I fear yet another 15-20% rise with 6th Ed at the start of next summer.

This is a simple matter of economics. Anyone in a 'normal' job now with a home and family is being squeezed and squeezed hard: food, utilities, clothes, etc all shooting up. The cash is simply not there to cover these rises, so GW will continue to sell less and less in terms of amount and prop it up with price rises. The type of people who can dedicate their lives to this and pour every penny of disposable cash into GW - good luck to them but they are a small group in such a massive business.

Another thing that has been missed is that if they reduce production as sales fall they will face increasing costs as their economies of scale shrink. They will have to pay more for materials, etc as they negotiate on smaller contracts. This will cause them problems, they would probably be better to keep up sales by price cuts than chase an ever falling sales model that locks them into a spiral of increasing costs.

Also they have got into China now and stereotyping aside the Chinese are well-known for a relaxed attitude to pirate products. If GW catches on I would expect to see a rash of cheap pirate versions appearing on e-bay and being unstoppable.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I was thinking of their more recent offerings.
Whereas GW have nothing but freshly cut moulds?

Airfix, like many model makers which do military stuff, will buy the old moulds from companies which have gone out of business or retool moulds slightly. There are some Airfix kits in production now which are no different than the ones my dad built while he was in college during the 70s.

GW aren't the only mini makers if you open your eyes to other possibilities. Yeah I know GW tournies etc

You really don't understand the context.
Games Workshop are the only ones who can produce Games Workshop models. They are the only ones who can produce a Cadian Guardsman and call it that.

Airfix can't "claim" anything except the sculpt itself as "its property". It's why you'll see small variations between the same subject when done by two different manufacturers.

SilverMK2 wrote:On the other hand they sell highly detailed plastic kits, some with hundreds of pieces for significantly less (depending on the kit) than the comparable GW kit.

Yes, some of which include rivets and other small pieces which are molded directly onto the sprue's frame(as in the bordering bits).

So whilst competition drives prices down - it is not as if Airfix are the only company with old moulds. I don't see GW reducing the price of models using prehistoric moulds, for example.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...if you really want to go there, I'd suggest understanding the circumstances of military modeling kits.
Many of these kits are in production for decades upon decades, with very minor retoolings over the years.

Can you find any GW plastic kits which are like that? I bet you will find maybe very few, especially considering the Leman Russ and Chimeras were redone recently.

This kind of invalidates any point you were trying to make to be honest

Not really, but if you think so that's great.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Model kits tend to have more, different sprue trees in a box.

Usually they're laid out similar to the way Games Workshop's newer, big kits have been: with as little wasted space as possible.

AFAIK the more sprues you need the cost of production increases exponentially. Given the cost of tooling this makes sense.

The more sprues you need, the higher the cost of production increases.

What the big offset is if you're manufacturing in-house or not; and I'm not entirely sure if Airfix does or not.

This thread again?

Yes, they're overpriced.

Why? Because they can do it and people still buy it. Either you don't mind and you buy it, or, ideally, you do mind and you don't buy it.

Of course, there are people who act like they mind and buy anyway. Those people are what we call, in technical terms, "addicts".

I wish China would take over GW. Then a box of marines would be $10. Landraiders would be $25.

They'd probably write all the codexes at once and it would be perfectly balanced.

Then they'd stop wasting time and resorces on new marine models and would simply sell upgrade kits.

GW may be expensive (it priced itself too high for me about a year ago) but I was able to buy my army before it got too expensive.

I understand alot of you want to keep buying stuff but if you keep buying and keep complaining then you aren't doing anyone any good now are you?

Buy an army... stick with it. Stop buying more junk filling up your hobby closet.