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To be completely honest, no, 40k doesn't need a new Marine. However, provided that the new Marines are sufficiently interesting, and have good models and fluff, I'll welcome them into the setting happily.

Basic SM Tacticals are terrible and GW knows it. They are so bad, they get a 400-600pt handicap in free vehicles when taken in a "fluffy" Battle Company,

Maybe it's actually a fix.

...There are sixty-nine different Space Marine armies in the game already (eighteen Chapter Tactics with the Space Marine book, all eighteen still usable with the Siege Assault Vanguard list, three variant Codexes, nine Traitor Legions, nineteen variations on the 30k Legion list, plus the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights). With one hundred and thirty-odd Special Characters between them.

What would we do with another one? Besides overlap with an existing army?

 Gamgee wrote:
Hastings said IG future is hazy if I recall. :( WHYYY! There are now almost no humans working to save themselves. Just space marines. It's an empire of marines at this point.

This is not that supriing isn't it ? GW clearly doesn't like stuff that they can't protect the IP of, and the current IG are the definition of unprotectable IP.




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 AnomanderRake wrote:
...There are sixty-nine different Space Marine armies in the game already (eighteen Chapter Tactics with the Space Marine book, all eighteen still usable with the Siege Assault Vanguard list, three variant Codexes, nine Traitor Legions, nineteen variations on the 30k Legion list, plus the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights). With one hundred and thirty-odd Special Characters between them.

What would we do with another one? Besides overlap with an existing army?

There are outside FW no neutral / pirate factions. There could be a pletora of black shield like chapters post guilliman

Or there could just be more boring rehashes that just take the place of something more interesting that's not another marine-clone vomited out without any effort put in to it.

 oldzoggy wrote:
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 AnomanderRake wrote:
...There are sixty-nine different Space Marine armies in the game already (eighteen Chapter Tactics with the Space Marine book, all eighteen still usable with the Siege Assault Vanguard list, three variant Codexes, nine Traitor Legions, nineteen variations on the 30k Legion list, plus the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights). With one hundred and thirty-odd Special Characters between them.

What would we do with another one? Besides overlap with an existing army?

There are outside FW no neutral / pirate factions. There could be a pletora of black shield like chapters post guilliman

And...what would the 70th Space Marine variant do that the previous 69 don't?

Alternately: Why do we need Space Marine list #70 before Ork list #2?

I wouldn't mind a gradual introduction of marines in a more fitting scale.

But for the love of god, give the Sisters some love first.

 AnomanderRake wrote:


And...what would the 70th Space Marine variant do that the previous 69 don't?

Alternately: Why do we need Space Marine list #70 before Ork list #2?

Look cool on the battle field, have cool fluff ally etc. In game... ehm not much of a difference really but meh is that really why you collect an army ?
Na I am actually not sure if I would rahter have ork list 2. My orks can be any ork amy I want them to be they just need a better set of rules no need for an other list with an other background really, while I would certainly jump on to pirate black shield marines to add to my inquisitors, instead of using my scummy marine conversions as count as puritan ones.

Can your Orks be a Kommando army that is sneaky and ambushes with brutal kunning? Cause I'd like to know how, outside of including some rather underwhelming Kommando units. And, again, what the HELL can a new spehss marny faction even BE at this point? They're kind of running out of colors even at this point.

I mean if we're including FW, there's an Ork list #2 called the Dread Mob.

 Melissia wrote:
Can your Orks be a Kommando army that is sneaky and ambushes with brutal kunning? Cause I'd like to know how, outside of including some rather underwhelming Kommando units. And, again, what the HELL can a new spehss marny faction even BE at this point? They're kind of running out of colors even at this point.

You kan, it is even possible to outflank a stompa pretty kunning but brutal if you ask me.
However orks could use a better codex with buffed rules, but you do not need an other list to be able to do this.

 Don Savik wrote:
Idk I feel like the closer we get to the new edition the mania of what happened to fantasy is slowly reaching critical mass. No matter how many times GW tells us they won't pull another end times people still find ways around it.

A new super space marine? Can anyone seriously say that out loud without laughing? Space Marines are the elite of the elite, and grey knights/deathwatch are the elite of the elite of the elite, but the new SPACE MARINE KNIGHTS OF GUILLIMAN are the elite of the elite of the elite of the elite!

GW does stupid stuff, but here I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. They aren't that stupid. I don't care what percentage this guys crystal ball visions are, even the top ones have been wrong repeatedly. So many people have been making up nonsense with this new edition coming around the corner that speculation is pointless. I'm just waiting to see what comes out before I set fire to my collection.

edit: even 80% accuracy means 1 out of every 5 things coming out of your mouth is squig-gak.

After they blew up the Warhammer world, and replaced it with plane walking fantasy marines I can't give them the benefit of the doubt for anything. By all accounts that's a majority view amongst their fan base. We keep being told to calm down they won't do the same with 40K, and then rumours of super space marines start doing the rounds amongst reliable rumour mongers. At this point I have to assume they will ruin everything I love about the IP, theres no evidence to show they won't.

 oldzoggy wrote:
However orks could use a better codex with buffed rules, but you do not need an other list to be able to do this.

And you don't need ffity seven codices to give Marines variety either but they're doing that. So I suggest they go all out and give EVERYONE fifty seven codices. More variety, more fun.

There are too many Factions of Space Marines already... please no more

For the love of god...

Dear geederps, *the other side needs some toys*

Start with Chaos Space Marines, then Tyranids, Orks, Dark Eldar.

I voted no but can entirely understand financially why they would do.

Yes! Moar Spam Marines!



There really is no such thing as too much spam marines.

zerosignal wrote:
For the love of god...

Dear geederps, *the other side needs some toys*

Start with Chaos Space Marines, then Tyranids, Orks, Dark Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines got some new toys tho, especially compared to Tyranids and Orks.

New Marines Old Marines.. Chaos is gonna corrupt em and destroy the rest! FOR THE DARK GODS!

No they really, really don't need more Marines.

Plastic Sisters, Plastic non Cadian Guard, Exodites, and many more would be more interesting that yet another Marine.

 Gamgee wrote:
Hastings has been right about everything so far. He called Deathwatch a year and a half before anyone else. He specifically says they will be better in all ways.

WS 5, BS 5, S 5, T 5, W 5, I 5, A 5, Ld 10, Sv 2+/4++ for a "New Tactical Super Space Marine"? 20 to a squad? 10 points per model each? With Guilliman Super-Bolters, Range 48", S 5, AP 2, Assault 3?

(Kidding, of course. Wouldn't know actually)

 oldzoggy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:


And...what would the 70th Space Marine variant do that the previous 69 don't?

Alternately: Why do we need Space Marine list #70 before Ork list #2?

Look cool on the battle field, have cool fluff ally etc. In game... ehm not much of a difference really but meh is that really why you collect an army ?
Na I am actually not sure if I would rahter have ork list 2. My orks can be any ork amy I want them to be they just need a better set of rules no need for an other list with an other background really, while I would certainly jump on to pirate black shield marines to add to my inquisitors, instead of using my scummy marine conversions as count as puritan ones.

WHY WOULD YOU PICK SPACE MARINE LIST #70 OVER SPACE MARINE LISTS #0-69?

Why can you make your Orks any Ork army you want them to be with one list but you need seventy lists to make your Space Marines what you want them to be?


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 Mr Morden wrote:
No they really, really don't need more Marines.

Plastic Sisters, Plastic non Cadian Guard, Exodites, and many more would be more interesting that yet another Marine.

You don't even need to go that far. Updated Guardians, updated Orks, an update to every vehicle in the game, plastic Aspect Warriors, replace all the Finecast Daemon units, give the Inquisition some actual models (and possibly a Codex that works)...

Seriously. There's a new power-armoured Space Marine kit on a monthly basis. The Eldar and the Orks are stuck with infantry that were old when 5e landed a decade ago. And everyone is stuck with ancient vehicles that are chock-full of warped parts and wasted space where they could have put all the gun options they don't make.

(The most annoying part about the vehicle thing is that you don't need to update (for instance) six kits for the Rhino chassis, you could fit them in two multi-kits and have room to spare to give them a bunch of the variant turret weapons you need to go to Forge World or third parties to get today. Your Wave Serpent/Falcon chassis could build all six tanks with one kit instead of five. It'd be easier and cheaper for GW and it'd be vastly more convenient for us.)

 Insectum7 wrote:
No.

More No.

The full Grey Knight army was already too many. Actually Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels getting their own full Codexes was too many.

No.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
[Seriously. There's a new power-armoured Space Marine kit on a monthly basis. The Eldar and the Orks are stuck with infantry that were old when 5e landed a decade ago.

The ork infantry is old, but I actually think it still looks pretty good. I wouldn't mind seeing new ork kits, but I think other armies could use new plastics first. (The warbuggy and wartrakk are pretty ancient though.)

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:


And...what would the 70th Space Marine variant do that the previous 69 don't?

Alternately: Why do we need Space Marine list #70 before Ork list #2?

Look cool on the battle field, have cool fluff ally etc. In game... ehm not much of a difference really but meh is that really why you collect an army ?
Na I am actually not sure if I would rahter have ork list 2. My orks can be any ork amy I want them to be they just need a better set of rules no need for an other list with an other background really, while I would certainly jump on to pirate black shield marines to add to my inquisitors, instead of using my scummy marine conversions as count as puritan ones.

WHY WOULD YOU PICK SPACE MARINE LIST #70 OVER SPACE MARINE LISTS #0-69?

Why can you make your Orks any Ork army you want them to be with one list but you need seventy lists to make your Space Marines what you want them to be?

Exalted. We have enough rules and army variants for space marines to support many playstyles and units. Pretty much every SM unit is made useful in a formation, detachment, or variant army somewhere. Meanwhile half of the DE codex languishes due to lack of stuff, and xenos armies lose characters every edition.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:


And...what would the 70th Space Marine variant do that the previous 69 don't?

Alternately: Why do we need Space Marine list #70 before Ork list #2?

Look cool on the battle field, have cool fluff ally etc. In game... ehm not much of a difference really but meh is that really why you collect an army ?
Na I am actually not sure if I would rahter have ork list 2. My orks can be any ork amy I want them to be they just need a better set of rules no need for an other list with an other background really, while I would certainly jump on to pirate black shield marines to add to my inquisitors, instead of using my scummy marine conversions as count as puritan ones.

WHY WOULD YOU PICK SPACE MARINE LIST #70 OVER SPACE MARINE LISTS #0-69?

Why can you make your Orks any Ork army you want them to be with one list but you need seventy lists to make your Space Marines what you want them to be?

Exalted. We have enough rules and army variants for space marines to support many playstyles and units. Pretty much every SM unit is made useful in a formation, detachment, or variant army somewhere. Meanwhile half of the DE codex languishes due to lack of stuff, and xenos armies lose characters every edition.

Because that's why you see so much variety at every tournament come on man, it's either biker spam or a Gladius. There's literally no variety to SM lists.

Man, I wish Sisters or Orks or even Guard had your problem with "lack of variety", then, because it's looking really fething good from where I am.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
May as well enjoy the ride then. And they most likely will, cause you'll get Vets and new players buying them. They will likely look really cool, of that I have no doubt.

Who knows maybe some of the Chapters will be upset that they are being replaced by Guillstartes and one will do the unthinkable and join the Tau. (pls no)

I thought the same thing lol. What if those marines get sad at being outdated? Will they come here? Please no :(

Too late, time for Astartes with Pulse Weapons and shoulder mounted missile pods fighting the Guillstartes with their Mk X CalthPattern Armor and Ultra Pattern Boltrifles.

I would actually buy that. Considering a space marine is complete GAK and what I want actually is a space marine that doesn't suck complete GAK.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
May as well enjoy the ride then. And they most likely will, cause you'll get Vets and new players buying them. They will likely look really cool, of that I have no doubt.

Who knows maybe some of the Chapters will be upset that they are being replaced by Guillstartes and one will do the unthinkable and join the Tau. (pls no)

I thought the same thing lol. What if those marines get sad at being outdated? Will they come here? Please no :(

Too late, time for Astartes with Pulse Weapons and shoulder mounted missile pods fighting the Guillstartes with their Mk X CalthPattern Armor and Ultra Pattern Boltrifles.

I would actually buy that. Considering a space marine is complete GAK and what I want actually is a space marine that doesn't suck complete GAK.

Yeah, I realized later after thinking about it more that I too would buy those. Space Marines with power armor made to be Smaller Crisis Suits would be awesome.

Centurions with jetpacks, essentially. Mhmm.

As for the thread, yeah, I think there's already way too many SM, way way way too many. Andd these new ones are supposed to be better urgh.