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I really love grots - their fluff and models are awesome. But there's absolutely no variety in our current ork dex for them. Furthermore, i like ratlings and those guyz have something in common. So, i've thought about a combination of grots and ratlings with some tweaks considering grot fluff.

Da Snipa Grots Squad:
5 Snipa Grots WS2 BS3 T2 S2 A1 Ini2 Ld5 Armor- Cost 25 pts
Special rules: Scout, Stealth, Cowardice Under Fire*

Can add up to 5 Snipa Grots for 5 ppm

Armed with Grot Snipa
Grot snipa: Heavy 1, Range 24', Str X, Ap6, Sniper (rending + precision shot)

Cowardice Under Fire* - Snipa Grots must pass a break test every time the opponent shoots at them or attempts to charge the squad even if the charge has failed or the shooting hasn't caused >25% casualties.

I have another idea about Cowardice. Something like the grots shoot until their target gets angry and turns on them. Like when their target starts to move their direction, they take a break test. Grots are acting super-brave, bravade and stuff but crap their gobbo panties the moment even a slight chance of payback arises.

Scout, not Infiltrate? Grots are some of the sneakiest things in the galaxy, even if recent ork codices have made them stupider and stupider than their 2e incarnation.

I thought infiltrate was a bit too much for 5ppm. And 6 ppm is allready a psychological ammount of points for an ork player Can consider it though.

What do you think about CowardicE?

Hm, I suppose Ratlings are twice that and only really have Infiltrate and BS4 with no Cowardice type rule.

I think it's pretty fluffy! And an elegant way of doing it. These are, after all, grots without a runtherd.

Have you thought about a Kommando Nob for them maybe to fill that role?

I'd cope with Kommando grot to buff ld to 6 or grant something to deal with cowardice somehow. But Kommando nob would probably not hang out with gobbos. He's not a runtherd after all.

Or they could get a squad-upgrade for, say, 5 points, making them Hardened Kommando Snipa Grots. This squad is so battle hardened and awesome that Hardened Kommando Grots must pass a break test only when they actually loose a model to shooting. But they still break when charged even if the charge has failed.

I just feel we need more squads cowardly running around as there's allready an abundance of fearless, pseudo-fearless or ld10 guyz here and there.

I can get behind that.

I'd ditch the Cowardice rule; regular Grots don't have this and you only have to shoot them once for them to fail on awful Ld5 and keep running for the rest of the game.

But this are snipa grots! And snipas have a thing for it. If snipas are grots. Besides, regular grots are run by runtherds. And this ones are operating on their own and are much more self-aware. Even compared to regular ld5 ones.

For cowardice, you could make it like the ratlings shoot & run rule, but like this:

The grot snipas shoot the enemy. if the enemy passes any pinning or morale checks caused, the grots have to take a test to see if they immediately make a full run move away from the enemy - not falling back, but putting themselves out of position whilst carrying heavy weaponry.

another thing to remember is grots are cowards, but they're quite smart - smart enough to know getting your head down while getting shot at is safer than trying to run - treats all weapons fired at them whilst in cover as pinning, whilst out of cover treats any casualties as 25%.

For what it's worth, here's my contribution to the topic.

If you want to give them infiltrate, but don't want to up the cost you could drop the range on their rifle to 18". Ork shootas don't even have a 24" range anyways.

I love this idea. I think Infiltrate would be fine for 5 ppm, especially given their (beautifully named) "Cowardice Under Fire" special rule.

One question is what FOC slot to put them in? Troops, I guess, since it'd be laughable to compare them to anything else....

Well, to be honest, i thought about elites as they're elite for grot standards

But i haven't enlisted them as either elite or troops cause slots are not a problem now with all those detachments. So, they can be like legion of the damned. A detachment of elites.

Besides, 25-30 pt for semi-useful troops with infiltrate and stealth that can actually do something while sitting on a point unlike regular grots is actully great. Regular grots are 35-40 pt for a min squad. That's 1/3 more expensive and they're allready a filler unit.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
For what it's worth, here's my contribution to the topic.

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Awesome image btw!

I'm all for more sneaky ork armies that play to the theme of kommandos.

So I'm all for it.

I figure you could do something though where its like, its x distance away from a friendly unit of orks it gets a bonus to not breaking....sort of like the deff dread to the killa kans.


For a formation sort of only group I think it makes sense to have like a kommando shepherding them...otherwise I don't think the snots would ever willingly join a battle for a specific side...they'd just steal for themselves.

Well, presumably these Grotz iz krazy.

Wording on Cowardice is problematic. Right now they have to take a Ld test anytime anyone tries to attack them which means they're basically guaranteed to fail since the other guy can keep using extra Drop Pods or Rhinos or whatever to take potshots at them until they break. I'd suggest forcing them to take a single test at the end of the Shooting phase if anyone shoots at them at all.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Wording on Cowardice is problematic. Right now they have to take a Ld test anytime anyone tries to attack them which means they're basically guaranteed to fail since the other guy can keep using extra Drop Pods or Rhinos or whatever to take potshots at them until they break. I'd suggest forcing them to take a single test at the end of the Shooting phase if anyone shoots at them at all.

Well, i actually intended to make them fail almost guaranteedly even to a single pod or rhino. But i see what you mean.

Next time i'll have a possibility to play, i'll bring 2 squads of 5 snipa grots - one with Kommando Grots upgrade to see the difference. So, 30 and 25 points respectedly. Still not sure about infiltrate - will probably test it next time. I actually see some interesting uses for them both with infiltrate and just scout.

So far, i want to test them out with Scout, Stealth and Cowardice Under Fire. Will make cowardice a single test at the end of the phase.