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aka_mythos wrote:

Here on out... the term "BFF" should be band from 40k.

All the Spase Marinez are banded together as BFF.

That's just.. great. Whenever I read the novels there is always a subtle line of that man-only stuff floating around with the authors rather disturbing descriptions of post-battle cleansing and oiling. I'll have to read it out loud to the girl once, see how she reacts to such vivid descriptions.

But seriously, according to the background of Creed and Kell they are friends for life. Not the man train type, but just that: friends for life. Why else would Kell be such a loyal bodyguard?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

Here on out... the term "BFF" should be band from 40k.

All the Spase Marinez are banded together as BFF.

Whole new meaning to "Space Marines HURRR!!"

BrookM wrote:That's just.. great. Whenever I read the novels there is always a subtle line of that man-only stuff floating around with the authors rather disturbing descriptions of post-battle cleansing and oiling. I'll have to read it out loud to the girl once, see how she reacts to such vivid descriptions.

But seriously, according to the background of Creed and Kell they are friends for life. Not the man train type, but just that: friends for life. Why else would Kell be such a loyal bodyguard?

I understand and I agree they really shouldn't be separated. As special characters that was always one of their most characterful aspects. All we really have is the reference page and we don't really know how these two will fit in.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Where do you think I'm ordering from? I can get AUD$1100 worth of stuff for AUD$600 from the UK at the moment, and no shipping fees!

BYE

I would have thought they'd charge you shipping fees. 'stralia's a tad further away than The Continent after all. Anyways, I'm glad for you that they don't - happy shopping spree!

Gestalt wrote:The vanquisher needs to be BS4 or AP1(its AP2 on the datasheet) to be better at anti-tank than a demolisher. Even if it can fire a hull lascannon at the same time, a demolisher is better at killing AV14. How a dedicated AT gun is worse than a short howitzer in all AT aspects but range I dont understand. I hope we are missing an upgrade to vanquishers.
A bunker buster is the same but with more range and indirect.

The vanquisher gets 2d6 +8 for armor pen, the demolisher just gets 10 + (roll 2 d6 and take the one highest result) Think of it as a long range melta that always gets 2d6 pen.

BrookM wrote:

AlexCage wrote:Hrm. It appears the Cadian Battleforce has been removed from both the UK and US online stores. The Catachan Battleforce was removed from the UK online store.

Just thought I'd mention it for those looking to stock up before hand. Like me. Time to go loot some FLGS!

Both are still on the UK and US sites.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300106&rootCatGameStyle=

I should have been more specific. They're still in the online stores, but you cannot BUY them from the online stores. I suppose it's entirely possible they're just 'out of stock'.

foil7102 wrote:The vanquisher gets 2d6 +8 for armor pen, the demolisher just gets 10 + (roll 2 d6 and take the one highest result) Think of it as a long range melta that always gets 2d6 pen.

But the Demolisher is AP 1, which more than makes up for slightly less armor pen. A Vanquisher hit has a 25% chance to destroy AV14, a Demolisher Cannon hit has a 31% chance.

AlexCage wrote:

BrookM wrote:

AlexCage wrote:Hrm. It appears the Cadian Battleforce has been removed from both the UK and US online stores. The Catachan Battleforce was removed from the UK online store.

Just thought I'd mention it for those looking to stock up before hand. Like me. Time to go loot some FLGS!

Both are still on the UK and US sites.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300106&rootCatGameStyle=

I should have been more specific. They're still in the online stores, but you cannot BUY them from the online stores. I suppose it's entirely possible they're just 'out of stock'.

Now that you mention it, aye they are no longer available. Possibly a prelude to May.

Gestalt wrote:
But the Demolisher is AP 1, which more than makes up for slightly less armor pen. A Vanquisher hit has a 25% chance to destroy AV14, a Demolisher Cannon hit has a 31% chance.

The demolisher is not, and never has been, and doesn't appear that it will be, AP1. It's AP2.

It is listed as ap1 on the new summary sheet......

BrookM wrote:That's just.. great. Whenever I read the novels there is always a subtle line of that man-only stuff floating around with the authors rather disturbing descriptions of post-battle cleansing and oiling. I'll have to read it out loud to the girl once, see how she reacts to such vivid descriptions.

But seriously, according to the background of Creed and Kell they are friends for life. Not the man train type, but just that: friends for life. Why else would Kell be such a loyal bodyguard?

The 40k setting just seems to be a much more culturally innocent setting. There are few of the social taboos in modern earth cultures. Think early greek but in super space.

foil7102 wrote:It is listed as ap1 on the new summary sheet......

Is it? looking at the summary both in french and the english translation it's AP2.

Eh I am looking at the english reference sheet by Kelvan. Probably a mistype.

It is a mistype. The original French and translation by SitD lists it as AP 2.

Written by H.B.M.C. :

"I bloody hope not. Having come from 2nd Ed, where it was mostly pot luck if you got a model to represent a Codex entry, and then into 3rd and 4th, where they went out of their way to ensure everything had a model, I do not want to go back to where there were units that simple do not get models.

That said, it has already started. There's no Buggy/Wartrakk, there are no Flash Gitz, there's no Deff Kopta outside of the Battle for Black Lagoon box, and a few of the special characters haven't got models (and I'd be suprised if we ever saw them).

Ok, so we get a recut Hellhound that has a Hellhound and Stupid Named Tank #1 and Stupid Named Tank #2, so you can do Flamy, Poison or Melta. We get a Russ that has Exterminator and Vanquisher bits and a Demolisher that has Punisher, Eradicator and Executioner bits. I doubt both of those as that's a lot of tanks. What's next? Ok, a Basilisk/Medusa Kit and a Griffon/Colossus kit. Then what? We've still got a Hydra, Manticore and fuggin' Deathstrike do go, and we don't even yet have Penal Legionarres or actual Veteran models.

So Guard are going to have, at minimum, 8 tank-sized kits on the shelf? Hellhound & Friends, the Chimera, Russ & Friends, Demolisher & Friends, Basilisk/Medusa, Griffon/Colossus, Hydra & Friends, Valkyrie/Vendetta?

No. It's too much. We are just not going to see models for half of these things. If I'm wrong, great, but unless my jokes about Guard stretching out releases all the way to Wave 27 in Q3 2028 are true, we're not going to be seeing these things.

[EDIT]: It was often joked that when Jervis came on board to blandify 40K, he was bringing as much 2nd Edition stuff back as possible. Well, like with the recent releases, this is obviously true (Sanctioned Psykers, Chenkov, Nork, etc.), but it appears that with 2nd Ed flavour (modified by 5th Ed blandness), we're also getting the 2nd Ed uncertainly of miniature releases. No clue what's coming out, no clue if something will ever even come out, and months/years at a time when something never gets made.

I said when GW started the 'Wave' thing that I was in support of it, because gradual support is better than dumping everything on new players (and stores for that matter). But really, let me ask y'all this:

Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months, and never know if something is going to even get a miniature release, let alone when that release might be?

BYE "

Response:

I have to agree with H.B.M.C.'s point here. I love warhammer 40k fluff and I love playing in the warhammer 40k universe, but one thing that frustrates me about Games Workshop is that they release armies without support. Either the units mentioned in the Codex that are not produced, or the Codices are so out of date that they are not longer viable. If Games Workshop wants to release units that require conversion, great leave that for a White Dwarf issue If an issue is out of print, and it has army lists people want to use, then sell the pdf off the website for godsakes. There are so many army lists, like Dark Eldar, and Relictors, and Tanith that people want to play but need refurbishing. Updating these armies would do two things; it would give people who like converting an outlet, and provide White Dwarf with enough content to justify it's costs, rather than dimishing White Dwarf to a glorified newspaper ad.

marxlives wrote:I have to agree with H.B.M.C.'s point here. I love warhammer 40k fluff and I love playing in the warhammer 40k universe, but one thing that frustrates me about Games Workshop is that they release armies without support. Either the units mentioned in the Codex that are not produced, or the Codices are so out of date that they are not longer viable. If Games Workshop wants to release units that require conversion, great leave that for a White Dwarf issue If an issue is out of print, and it has army lists people want to use, then sell the pdf off the website for godsakes. There are so many army lists, like Dark Eldar, and Relictors, and Tanith that people want to play but need refurbishing. Updating these armies would do two things; it would give people who like converting an outlet, and provide White Dwarf with enough content to justify it's costs, rather than dimishing White Dwarf to a glorified newspaper ad.

GW is a decent sized company, but they aren't big enough to handle your demands as immediately as you'd like. They don't have the resources to do everything at once either. And they can't support indefinitely every little idea they have, it'd be nice but they can't. I think the biggest thing they could do would just simply be more public and open about what they're working on.

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:I would have thought they'd charge you shipping fees. 'stralia's a tad further away than The Continent after all. Anyways, I'm glad for you that they don't - happy shopping spree!

Maelstrome Games UK doesn't charge shipping to anywhere.

BYE

You know what? You're all correct. Lets just petition them to take the tanks out of the codex. Clearly that is what we want, and all this isn't just useless pointless complaining in the spirit of looking a gifthorse in the mouth.

I mean, gosh, no ones going to ever convert a leman russ or chimera. Thats never been done before. The clear answer is to bitch incessantly until we stop getting new things. That is our only option as customers.

ShumaGorath wrote:You know what? You're all correct. Lets just petition them to take the tanks out of the codex. Clearly that is what we want, and all this isn't just useless pointless complaining in the spirit of looking a gifthorse in the mouth.

I mean, gosh, no ones going to ever convert a leman russ or chimera. Thats never been done before. The clear answer is to bitch incessantly until we stop getting new things. That is our only option as customers.

Shuma, you're like 7 pages late. We've been trading pie & brownie recipes for at least the last 35 posts.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maelstrome Games UK doesn't charge shipping to anywhere.

BYE

*Not including auctions.
10% discount is from the United Kingdom trade recommended retail price.
Free postage is worldwide as long as you spend £10 or more, but does not include recorded or special delivery.
See the Frequently Asked Questions pages for more details.


Because the world needs caveats.

But looks like a nice deal if you're overseas. Damn

ShumaGorath wrote:You know what? You're all correct. Lets just petition them to take the tanks out of the codex. Clearly that is what we want, and all this isn't just useless pointless complaining in the spirit of looking a gifthorse in the mouth.

I mean, gosh, no ones going to ever convert a leman russ or chimera. Thats never been done before. The clear answer is to bitch incessantly until we stop getting new things. That is our only option as customers.

Shuma Shuma Shuma,

Why open your mouth?

Excuse me while I call the Wahbulance

Just for you...
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Tribune wrote:*Not including auctions.
10% discount is from the United Kingdom trade recommended retail price.
Free postage is worldwide as long as you spend £10 or more, but does not include recorded or special delivery.
See the Frequently Asked Questions pages for more details.

Those are some pretty lame caveats Tribune. How many GW products do you buy that are less than £10? Why would you ever mail order less than £10 worth of product? I haven't even seen any auctions at their website (maybe they have an eBay store) but who cares, because everything is 10% off anyway. As far as recorded delivery goes, well, in several years of using them, I've had one thing go missing. It was a pretty significant 'one thing' as well - an Imperial City box, the really big Cities of Death building kit. It got lost as I ordered it during the Christmas period during the middle of a UK Postal Worker's strike.

And you know what happened? They replaced it free of charge a month later.

So, again, those are a pretty lame list of caveats. They do free shipping worldwide, they have a constant discount, they have sales several times a year, they replace missing items. What more do you want?

ShumaGorath wrote:You know what? You're all correct. Lets just petition them to take the tanks out of the codex. Clearly that is what we want, and all this isn't just useless pointless complaining in the spirit of looking a gifthorse in the mouth. I mean, gosh, no ones going to ever convert a leman russ or chimera. Thats never been done before. The clear answer is to bitch incessantly until we stop getting new things. That is our only option as customers.

Janthkin already gave you the 'Too Damned Late' award, so I'll give you the 'World's Biggest Strawman' award and the 'Missed The Point Completely' trophy (now with added pie!).

BYE

And going back to discussing the PDF

As I mentioned before, the Nova Cannon thingy, it might just be an alternate shell type?

There is precedent for this (Whirlwinds now come with both normal and Castellan missiles, which is nice) and, this is a pretty big stretch I'll imagine, I can't see any tank in the PDF which suggests the Nova Cannon would be a single weapon system. Given HBMC's point that the Griffon can do this anyways certainly gives food for thought in this idea.

I reckon it might be an alternate Basilisk Shell, or perhaps a plain old Battle Cannon shell.

OF course, the other option is that it's for something we haven't seen yet, perhaps a seperate filed artillery ala Thunderfire Cannon for the Ad Mech bloke?

What do people reckon?

[quote=HBMCSo Guard are going to have, at minimum, 8 tank-sized kits on the shelf? Hellhound & Friends, the Chimera, Russ & Friends, Demolisher & Friends, Basilisk/Medusa, Griffon/Colossus, Hydra & Friends, Valkyrie/Vendetta?

No. It's too much. We are just not going to see models for half of these things. If I'm wrong, great, but unless my jokes about Guard stretching out releases all the way to Wave 27 in Q3 2028 are true, we're not going to be seeing these things.

BYE

Janthkin already gave you the 'Too Damned Late' award, so I'll give you the 'World's Biggest Strawman' award and the 'Missed The Point Completely' trophy (now with added pie!).

The beauty of the internet is that text based conversation is non linear. Besides, it's not like any of you had a point for me to miss.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There is precedent for this (Whirlwinds now come with both normal and Castellan missiles, which is nice) and, this is a pretty big stretch I'll imagine, I can't see any tank in the PDF which suggests the Nova Cannon would be a single weapon system. Given HBMC's point that the Griffon can do this anyways certainly gives food for thought in this idea.

Look at the PDF again Grotsnik:

They've got a Demolisher Cannon on the Demolisher, and the Punisher Gatling Cannon on the Punisher. Stands to reason that the Eradicator Nova Cannon would be on the Leman Russ Eradicator, doesn't it?

So no, I very much doubt it's an alternate shot type for another gun.

BYE

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And going back to discussing the PDF

As I mentioned before, the Nova Cannon thingy, it might just be an alternate shell type?

There is precedent for this (Whirlwinds now come with both normal and Castellan missiles, which is nice) and, this is a pretty big stretch I'll imagine, I can't see any tank in the PDF which suggests the Nova Cannon would be a single weapon system. Given HBMC's point that the Griffon can do this anyways certainly gives food for thought in this idea.

I reckon it might be an alternate Basilisk Shell, or perhaps a plain old Battle Cannon shell.

OF course, the other option is that it's for something we haven't seen yet, perhaps a seperate filed artillery ala Thunderfire Cannon for the Ad Mech bloke?

What do people reckon?

Its a gun, and they are putting it on a Russ hull.

MinMax wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at all if several of the alternate options became mail-order only, like the Deff Rolla upgrade sprue for the Ork Battlewagon.

Yeah... 'bout that sprue. Is that confirmed? Has anyone seen it? Or is it 'confirmed' in the same way as the contents of the Guard first wave are 'confirmed' (ie. we know it exists, we just don't know when/if we're getting it).

BYE

The Orky Upgrade sprue? It's been mentioned in White Dwarf, so thats a pretty confident 'it should be on the way'

NOt 100% yet, I like to see things before I go counting on release, but certainly seems so.

Ah so it is.

Eradicator, and Eradicator Nova Cannon.

Bugger. Now I look like a spazz.