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**aka_mythos**

MinMax wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if several of the alternate options became mail-order only, like the Deff Rolla upgrade sprue for the Ork Battlewagon.

"Here's the Valkyrie, for the Imperial Guard! And, if you'd like a Vendetta/Vulture, you can order those special sprues from our website!"

The much reiterated rumor is:
1) Hellhound and Chimera
2) LR: BT, Demolisher, Exterminator, Vanquisher
3) Valkyrie and Vendetta

The basilisk/medusa and griffon/colossus could easily share a box (4).
The hydra and manticore could be a single large sprue.
The remaining LR variants could be a single small sprue.

Effectively going from the 5 boxes (Chimera, Hellhound, Demolisher, LRBT, Basilisk) we currently have to 4 boxes and two sprues that could be sold direct order or slipped in somewhere to make 1 or 2 more boxes . This doesn't even consider the drop in the number of sentinels boxes (2 or 3 to 1) that shelf space up for grabs.

The Deff-Rolla is pretty confirmed, it came out of a combination of cost over run, production delays, and a need of direct order to have unique items to sell. I think if it sells well we will probably see more sold as single sprues available on direct order only.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:

Janthkin already gave you the 'Too Damned Late' award, so I'll give you the 'World's Biggest Strawman' award and the 'Missed The Point Completely' trophy (now with added pie!).

The beauty of the internet is that text based conversation is non linear. Besides, it's not like any of you had a point for me to miss.

Thats borderline trolling Shuma.

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

Janthkin already gave you the 'Too Damned Late' award, so I'll give you the 'World's Biggest Strawman' award and the 'Missed The Point Completely' trophy (now with added pie!).

The beauty of the internet is that text based conversation is non linear. Besides, it's not like any of you had a point for me to miss.

Thats borderline trolling Shuma.

Yes, because the trophy I was given was such a heartfelt and genuine gift.

**Frazzled**

Point taken.

Modquisition on:

Gentlemen cease the personal attacks from this point forward on the thread or disciplinary action wil be taken as needed.

**Janthkin**

GLaDOS wrote:One 18.25 ounce package chocolate cake mix.
One can prepared coconut pecan frosting.
3/4 cup vegetable oil.
Four large eggs.
One cup semi-sweet chocolate chips.
3/4 cups butter or margarine.
1 2/3 cups granulated sugar.
Two cups all purpose flower. (note, it says flower, not flour)

Don't forget garnishes such as:

Fish shaped crackers.
Fish shaped candies.
Fish shaped solid waste.
Fish shaped dirt.
Fish shaped ethyl benzene.
Pull and peel licorice.
Fish shaped organic compounrs and sediment shaped sediment.
Candy coated peanut butter pieces. Shaped like fish.

One cup lemon juice.

Alpha resins.
Unsaturated polyester resin.
Fiberglass surface resins.
And volatile malted milk impoundments.

Nine large egg yolks.
Twelve medium geosynthetic membranes.
One cup granulated sugar.

An entry called 'how to kill someone with your bare hands.'

Two cups rhubarb, sliced.
2/3 cups granulated rhubarb.
One tablespoon all-purpose rhubarb.
One teaspoon grated orange rhubarb.
Three tablespoons rhubarb, on fire.
One cross borehole electro-magnetic imaging rhubarb.
Two tablespoons rhubarb juice.

Adjustable aluminum head positioner.
Slaughter electric injector.
Cordless electric needle injector.
Injector needle driver.
Injector needle gun.
Cranial caps.

And it contains proven presenatives, deep penetration agents, and gas and odor control chemicals.
That will deodorize and preserve putrid tissue.

See? S'all good, Frazz - we're just talking cake here.

Hmm, what's on topic that we haven't discussed yet.... Ooh, I know: no mention of rough rider lances in the summary at all! Discuss.

**BrookM**

Well, the lance is a special close combat weapon. I do hope that it stays the way it is now: a cheap one-shot power weapon.

I also hope that Rough Riders can keep their laspistol and ccw as a standard, that they are not required to trade one in for the lance.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Indeed. Last Edition it gave +2S, +2I and Power Weapon on your first charge.

Wouldn't appear in the guns section, as it's not a gun.

**H.B.M.C.**

Power Fists aren't there either Janth, do you think they've been cut?

BYE

**Janthkin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Power Fists aren't there either Janth, do you think they've been cut?

BYE

I briefly worried about that, then remembered that those are defined in the BGB. *whew*

Mad Dog Grotsnik wrote:Indeed. Last Edition it gave +2S, +2I and Power Weapon on your first charge.

Wouldn't appear in the guns section, as it's not a gun.

Tanks are ALSO not guns, but appear in the "Summary" section. Obviously, the "Summary" must include all the salient features about the codex, or it'd be a poor summary. As we know GW writes good summaries, the lack of a Lance entry is disturbing!

If you're going to disrupt my perfectly good conspiracy theory, you'll have to do better.

**Tribune**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tribune wrote:*Not including auctions.
10% discount is from the United Kingdom trade recommended retail price.
Free postage is worldwide as long as you spend £10 or more, but does not include recorded or special delivery.
See the Frequently Asked Questions pages for more details.

Those are some pretty lame caveats Tribune. How many GW products do you buy that are less than £10? Why would you ever mail order less than £10 worth of product? I haven't even seen any auctions at their website (maybe they have an eBay store) but who cares, because everything is 10% off anyway. As far as recorded delivery goes, well, in several years of using them, I've had one thing go missing. It was a pretty significant 'one thing' as well - an Imperial City box, the really big Cities of Death building kit. It got lost as I ordered it during the Christmas period during the middle of a UK Postal Worker's strike.

And you know what happened? They replaced it free of charge a month later.

So, again, those are a pretty lame list of caveats. They do free shipping worldwide, they have a constant discount, they have sales several times a year, they replace missing items. What more do you want?

How about you to read the bit that said:

But looks like a nice deal if you're overseas. Damn

You see, my tongue was in my cheek. I went to the site to check out if there were any exclusions, and saw they were pretty near non-existent. But thanks for laying out my whole point for me in detail.

I guess you're so used to attacking everyone else's posts, you expect the same in return. You need to learn when someone is actually on your side. I'll try to use more emoticons for your benefit in future...

**H.B.M.C.**

*sigh*

Fine. Jervis is behind the conspiracy. Secretly he hates RR's so they're not getting new models, but a re-boxed set of Atillans. But thier rules have been reduced so that they increase the armour save of their opponents.

Happy now?

Anyway, no unique HTH weapons are included in the summary. I don't think they ever have been in any Codex.

BYE

**Tribune**

I think The Pithy One is entirely correct.

**H.B.M.C.**

Tribune wrote:You see, my tongue was in my cheek.

Tone is impossible to register over the interwebs. This is why emoticons were invented, and why I tend to italicise things that I'm stressing in my speech.

BYE

**Da Blak Gobbo**

So far everything I've read about the new IG seems pretty solid and can't wait till May. Although I'm slightly saddened by the lowering of initiative across the board for the guard, now more in line with 'normal' humans. It's like Krispy Kreme Doughnuts had a galactic sale and the whole of the Imperial Guard decided to stop by for a bite.

**Gestalt**

Hmm I guess the Demolisher being AP1 was a translation error, but it still doesnt make sense than the Vanq is only AP2. It still is only slightly ahead of the demolisher now, and meltas are better except for range. Unless there is more to the Vanq Im not sure how useful it will be compared to Devil Dogs/Sentinels.

**H.B.M.C.**

The Vanq has been AP3 up until now, so I'm not really complaining. Of course, they've probably taken away its ability to f ire regular Battlecannon shells, so that kills that idea.

BYE

**Tribune**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Tone is impossible to register over the interwebs. This is why emoticons were invented, and why I tend to italicise things that I'm stressing in my speech.

Excuses!

**foil7102**

Da Blak Gobbo wrote:So far everything I've read about the new IG seems pretty solid and can't wait till May. Although I'm slightly saddened by the lowering of initiative across the board for the guard, now more in line with 'normal' humans. It's like Krispy Kreme Doughnuts had a galactic sale and the whole of the Imperial Guard decided to stop by for a bite.

What can you do but pull over in your troop transport and order a couple o hundred thousand dozen when the light is on?

**Ozymandias**

Janthkin wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Power Fists aren't there either Janth, do you think they've been cut?

BYE
I briefly worried about that, then remembered that those are defined in the BGB. *whew*

Mad Dog Grotsnik wrote:Indeed. Last Edition it gave +2S, +2I and Power Weapon on your first charge.

Wouldn't appear in the guns section, as it's not a gun.

Tanks are ALSO not guns, but appear in the "Summary" section. Obviously, the "Summary" must include all the salient features about the codex, or it'd be a poor summary. As we know GW writes good summaries, the lack of a Lance entry is disturbing!

If you're going to disrupt my perfectly good conspiracy theory, you'll have to do better.

Man, someone must have snuck something into Janthkin's morning coffee today. I'm detecting an elevated sarcasm level and a desire for cakes and brownies.

Or he's just as bored as the rest of us for discussing a summary pdf for 23 pages.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

**Ozymandias**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tribune wrote:You see, my tongue was in my cheek.

Tone is impossible to register over the interwebs. This is why emoticons were invented, and why I tend to italicise things that I'm stressing in my speech.

BYE

I always just read your posts with the most sarcastic voice I can think of in my head. In there you don't have an Australian accent though...

Ozymandias, King of Kings

**chaplaingrabthar**

Yeah, HBMC has an Eastern European accent in my head. Must be the angry commissar avatar

**Platuan4th**

foil7102 wrote:
Da Blak Gobbo wrote:So far everything I've read about the new IG seems pretty solid and can't wait till May. Although I'm slightly saddened by the lowering of initiative across the board for the guard, now more in line with 'normal' humans. It's like Krispy Kreme Doughnuts had a galactic sale and the whole of the Imperial Guard decided to stop by for a bite.

What can you do but pull over in your troop transport and order a couple o hundred thousand dozen when the light is on?

Easy. You can find a place that sells GOOD donuts.

**BrookM**

I always imagine HBMC shouting for some reason. He's one of those "I'M ACTUALLY IN A GOOD MOOD TODAY! I JUST HAVE A VOICE MODULATION PROBLEM!", a bit like BRIAN BLESSED, but then less of a friendly ham and more of old mister Abbernathy.

**Janthkin**

Ozymandias wrote:Man, someone must have snuck something into Janthkin's morning coffee today. I'm detecting an elevated sarcasm level and a desire for cakes and brownies.

Or he's just as bored as the rest of us for discussing a summary pdf for 23 pages.

I don't do coffee. One of life's great disappointments, really - it smells so good, and tastes so bad.

Long day, short sleep, and I think we've hashed the first released page of the codex to shreads. Assuming a 96 pg codex, we're still good for another 2208 pages of IG discussion, come early May.

**Frazzled**

Janthkin just needs a cookie

**Ozymandias**

When you ask most people what kind of coffee they like, they'll say "A rich and hearty roast!" and the truth is most people actually like milky weak coffee.* I think coffee with a bit of vanilla cream International Delights and some raw sugar actually tastes pretty good. As does a soy latte from Starbucks.

Remember, coffee and chocolate share a lot of flavors (mostly bitterness) and the chocolate you eat is usually sweetened or mixed with milk so why not do the same for your coffee?

And BTW, I wasn't condemning your statements, I actually found them quite humorous (just out of character).

*Stolen from Malcolm Gladwell.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Coffee makes my head asplode.

And it's not the Caffeine, it's something else. Even girly Decaf make head asplode.

**Frazzled**

Its because its not beer MDG.

**foil7102**

Platuan4th wrote:
foil7102 wrote:
Da Blak Gobbo wrote:So far everything I've read about the new IG seems pretty solid and can't wait till May. Although I'm slightly saddened by the lowering of initiative across the board for the guard, now more in line with 'normal' humans. It's like Krispy Kreme Doughnuts had a galactic sale and the whole of the Imperial Guard decided to stop by for a bite.

What can you do but pull over in your troop transport and order a couple o hundred thousand dozen when the light is on?

Easy. You can find a place that sells GOOD donuts.

Nothing is better than a krispy kreme donut when the light is on and they just came out of the fryer. Anyone who says otherwise is a damn yankee, a communist, or a damn yankee communist.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Frazzled wrote:Its because its not beer MDG.

Oh yeah!