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I think they should keep it as +1 armor save because if a sword can chop through armor it can chop through a sword.

FlammingGaunt wrote:I think they should keep it as +1 armor save because if a sword can chop through armor it can chop through a sword.

Fact checking FAIL!

Platuan4th wrote:

FlammingGaunt wrote:I think they should keep it as +1 armor save because if a sword can chop through armor it can chop through a sword.

Fact checking FAIL!

Quite.

Sword isn't the same as armor. At all.

Okay, I watched a demo game in the GW Oberhausen. I couldn't stay very long but can recollect the following:

We know there is no guessing anymore. What happens to Great Cannon is that you nominate a spot, roll the two artillery dice for bounces. If you hit a unit, the strength decreases like a bolt thrower's bolt, starting at S10.

If the first bounce hits a wall, the shot is wasted but the wall is destroyed. Interactive terrain!

Charges are as said M + 2d6. A failed charged apparently results in M + higher d6 (I'm not sure if it is highest d6 only).

All missile units may shoot in two ranks, not only bows. The latter just get the added benefit of being able to shoot with half of the third.

Pistols have 12" range now.

Wizards do not add their level to the die roll.

Bound spells work as follows: You have to beat the relevant complexity level with PD as with a normal spell. Your opponent then has to beat the resulting score.

Large creatures such as trolls or great eagles do 1 additional attack at the end of the combat, dragons and such do d6.

Ranks are counted after hits have been exchanged.

Wow people are REALLY not going to like my Empire army with three mortars, three cannons, two rocket batteries which all don't have to guess, my three pistolers that move 16" then shoot 12". all backed up by handguns that fire in two ranks and all of it is actual line of sight so can't be blocked by most terrain. I dare an army to get halfway across the field.

Also, so bound spells are just regular spells now? What's the difference?

Bound Spells now, apparently, are "You see the Bound Level? Roll some power dice: If you beat that number, it goes off." Essentially, it makes it easier to duplicate a spell as well as getting it off "lite" / at a lower casting value.

I can't wait to see TK's get a lore and lose their Bound Spell nature

Ranks after wounds + initiative order + only 3 ranks max = horde armies are not happy campers.

Horde armies aren't going to much like Pie Plate Funtime (working title for my Empire list) either. I want to see the face of the guy when I do over 20 wounds with one mortar hit to his huge unit that's stupidly wide for the stubborn bonus.

that's stupidly wide for the stubborn bonus.

As far as I know the unit is stubborn if it's only engaged to the front and has more rank bonus than the enemy. It has nothing to do with being wide.

Zombies are going to be sick in the new game. Absolutely sick. Dark Elf Crossbowmen also seem even better than before if that's even possible.

a TK lore would be interesting. the Lore of Sand or the Lore of You Darn Kids Get off My Lawn and Quit Stealing My Stuff! Long but it fits their mindset.

FacelessMage wrote:a TK lore would be interesting. the Lore of Sand or the Lore of You Darn Kids Get off My Lawn and Quit Stealing My Stuff! Long but it fits their mindset.

LOL

But I'm like a lot of people are worried about artillery becoming overpowered. Also I can't say that I'm happy with the new charge system but it could be worse.

Early reports from those who have seen the playtest games;

25% lords 25% hero

Armour/ward/regen unchanged.

A few other things. I will update the first post tommorow.

Grimstonefire wrote:
25% lords 25% hero

I kept seeing this on Warseer the past week.

I hope it's wrong, because otherwise, it does nothing to help with Herohammer at all.

So in a 2000pt army...

I can get my Grey Seer on Bell for about 500pts and still have 500pts to spend on Heroes? Is this right?

Flashman wrote:So in a 2000pt army...

I can get my Grey Seer on Bell for about 500pts and still have 500pts to spend on Heroes? Is this right?

That'd be the gist of it from what I've gathered.

So still 50% characters for those armies that take them currently.

Basically, you're just worrying about whether to bring more Specials or more Rares in 8th. The only reason I saw for putting in(and my support of) percentages is now defunct if this is true.

Way to remove my enthusiasm for 8th, GW.

Hasn't quite removed my ethusiasm. I want a bell and the deathmaster in my 2000pts if only to cut down on the amount of infantry I have to field. If you had painted 30 skavenslaves and only filled up 60pts, you'd understand

Flashman wrote:Hasn't quite removed my ethusiasm. I want a bell and the deathmaster in my 2000pts if only to cut down on the amount of infantry I have to field. If you had painted 30 skavenslaves and only filled up 60pts, you'd understand

I have 100+ Slaves and 100+ Clanrats in my 2k point force, trust me, I understand.

I bought Skaven to specifically field a ton of Core models.

Platuan4th wrote:

Grimstonefire wrote:
25% lords 25% hero

I kept seeing this on Warseer the past week.

I hope it's wrong, because otherwise, it does nothing to help with Herohammer at all.

I second this. Death to hero-hammer, long live Core-hammer Fantasy Battle.

I really cannot wait to see confirmed rules for this.

So it looks like the only army that won't be able to field a dragon is my Warriors. Other armies can still field the heros with it.

Another problem is sometimes I like to run 4 heros instead of a lord and 3 heros. Looks like this won't be possible in the new system.

I REALLY need someone to leak the scenarios and how you win games with the new system since every rumor sounds worse and worse...

Eh, I've been hearing from people who've seen the book that it's 25% characters total, not 25% characters, 25% lord, 25% hero. Pretty sure they specifically mention characters at 25% but I guess we'll know with a sure to happen screen shot.

Walls wrote:Eh, I've been hearing from people who've seen the book that it's 25% characters total, not 25% characters, 25% lord, 25% hero. Pretty sure they specifically mention characters at 25% but I guess we'll know with a sure to happen screen shot.

Cool, that other rumor is stupid since it doesn't stop hero hammer AND removed some choice freedom for other players.

Walls wrote:Eh, I've been hearing from people who've seen the book that it's 25% characters total, not 25% characters, 25% lord, 25% hero. Pretty sure they specifically mention characters at 25% but I guess we'll know with a sure to happen screen shot.

Funny, that's exactly what the 25% Heroes, 25% Lords are saying: They heard it directly from someone who has seen the book.

The thing is the Books are either still on the boats or are in warehouses for distribution, so most likely NO ONE's(outside of the studio) seen the actual book.

I've heard from fairly reliable sources that there are books making the rounds amongst some of the staff. I'm sure they are going to be tight lipped since it would be pretty easy to figure out who to fire but they are going to be doing learn to plays soon and will need to know how to answer rules questions.

Some confirmations from demo game day by me:

Rulebook will come with next black box, so all shops can make demo day by 12th June.
Will feature lots of pictures.

On official release day, all armies get a pdf errata/update.

Only percentages, no slots. Some restrictions to keep balance. 25% hero and 25% lords confirmed.

Skirmishers have rank and no 360o sight.

Infantry may move through forests without penalty, difficult terrain for cavalry.

Ease of change formation makes interaction with terrain easier.

No more guessing distances, you can measure everything before moving/shooting etc.

Fighting in 2 ranks and better hitting back will favour larger units. General emphasis of this edition is big wars.

So much for now.

Edit: Most Magic rumours are true including
"If a wizard fails to reach the casting value it is not a miscast, they just cannot cast any more spells that magic phase."
I will add: Another magic user may still try that spell. BTW there are fireballs of different strength.

Can I ask if you saw any changes to panic rules? I've been asking around and it seems this is unchanged.

I'm going to do one 'final' edit of the sticky tommorow.

It's also said by someone who was at a demo game in GW of the new system.

Sorry, no. Just talked to someone and didn't ask this.
But in about 2 weeks, many people will have a copy of the book in their hands.
BTW, shirts were not allowed to talk about the starter box, not even the release month or the mini rule book.

Is there any advantage to using skirmishers in the new book???

Compared to now or compared to rank and file units?

I'll just copy and paste the bit from the WIP update to my sticky:

B]Skirmishers[/B]

[*]Skirmishers are now a fixed formation, with a 1 inch gap between each and every model. -Avian and Kah-thurak - Note. The gap between them may actually be the same size as the base width.

X = Model
O = 1" Gap between

X O X O X O X O X
O O O O O O O O O
X O X O X O X O X

Skirmishers still rank up in combat, but as they do not get a rank bonus they cannot negate enemy rank bonuses. As long as they are not charging, Skirmishers can reform on the move as often as they wish and also march and shoot.

[*]360 Line of sight for skirmishers. Some have said this is in and some have said it is definitely not. I will edit one out later.