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Necrons were delayed for this?

Nothing was delayed for this. That's not how things work.

Would anyone play a Fantasy Naval expansion if there was one?

For about as long as everyone played Planetstrike.

Kanluwen wrote:Nothing was delayed for this. That's not how things work.

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Yes, but the time and money that went into this could have been redirected to Necrons.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:For about as long as everyone played Planetstrike.

No one plays Planetstrike? I though that expansion was pretty neat. Now Battlemissions on the other hand.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Nothing was delayed for this. That's not how things work.

Yes, but the time and money that went into this could have been redirected to Necrons.

You thinking that does not mean it is true.

There is no reasonable conclusion to believe that simply because this was done that it means that it somehow was draining C: Necron's resources.

Psssst, the Necrons are already done and the White Dwarf issue about them is being written right now.

Already written in all likelihood.
There's a three to six month (I've heard anywhere in that range, depending on who I've talked to) lead time for WD. It's why we keep having ads for Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos in WD saying "it's available now!" when they had some printing errors at the last minute.

WD's are written five to six months in advance, Owen Rees once said that in a WD editorial, talking about World Cup (which was in the Summer) while it was the December issue.

Well, I bit the bullet and pre-ordered from my FLGS.

I'm uneasy buying blind, but it's not like I have anything better to spend my hobby money on these days. Worst case scenario, I have 10 awesome display pieces and a large watery battle mat to use if a better naval game comes along someday.

I hope the naysayers can at least appreciate my contribution towards another mystery boxed set being released in 1-2 years.

The nay-sayers can stub their big toe on the coffee table for all that I care, they'll probably find something to bitch about when that dream kit does get released.

Kanluwen wrote:There is no reasonable conclusion to believe that simply because this was done that it means that it somehow was draining C: Necron's resources.

Yeah... Kan's right about this one. This release would have had no influence on the Necrons at all. That's the reason why GW have a release schedule. Necrons have always said to be coming out October/November. Guess what folks - it's still September. A little patience.

I really like the miniatures of the game, and I'm curious of the gameplay. It's very expensive, still.

I'm not preordering, and I don't know if I'll buy it. I'll try to check it first.

Thinking about the box contents- what with each faction being made up of a bunch of different armies- I doubt there will be any sort of expansion. I'm also surprised there doesn't seem to be a Dark Elf ship.

But I'm not sure why people are upset about a self-contained box game. Remember Fireball Island from the mid-eighties? Greatest board game ever. Its just a matter of going out & making a friend & getting him to play with you.

H.B.M.C. wrote:For about as long as everyone played Planetstrike.

I'll let you know good sir that I played 1.5 games of Planet Strike which beats my tally for Apocalypse by .5

Kanluwen wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:
@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat.

You don't need GW to do this. You just need the Space Hulk rules and a decent sense of how best to balance things yourself.

Why that is so true. I will just write a rule set with new interest rules and sculpt up 20 Orks in the same imaginative way that GW re-did marines and 'nids. How could I be so stupid. Sheesh Kan, sometimes you can be really really really not smart.

fullheadofhair wrote:ust because some people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies.

Kanluwen wrote:Except it's not "people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies"--it's "people think you're an idiot/fanboy/moron/whatever insulting idea you want to insert here for buying this from GW instead of Spartan Games".

I have agree that insulting someone because they chose a different game is just dumb. But I stick to my point - pre-ordering stuff without knowing what it is brings unnecessary risk of wasting money.

fullheadofhair wrote:Personally I think anyone who buys a game with knowing the mechanic is taking an unnecessary risk.

Kanluwen wrote:By this logic, anyone who buys the starter set for FB/40k/LOTR are taking an unnecessary risk.

That is true. Very risky. Now if only GW had shops here you could go in and look at the product before you bought. Maybe even a helpful staff member that could help and explain the differences between the games. You know what would be cool - demo games - if only they did demo games using well painted mini's and some cool terrain. I will write immediately to GW and suggest that.

Kan, sometimes you are just special. Not in a good way.

fullheadofhair wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:
@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat.

You don't need GW to do this. You just need the Space Hulk rules and a decent sense of how best to balance things yourself.

Why that is so true. I will just write a rule set with new interest rules and sculpt up 20 Orks in the same imaginative way that GW re-did marines and 'nids. How could I be so stupid. Sheesh Kan, sometimes you can be really really really not smart.

Why do you need 20 Orks in the "same imaginative way that GW redid Marines and Nids"?

The only reason the models in Space Hulk were "resculpted" and it wasn't simply the normal models available in the Terminator or Genestealer boxes is that they are essentially characters.
It won't require too much effort on your part to do a kind of 'characterful' set of Orks or Guardsmen or Necrons for the game.

fullheadofhair wrote:ust because some people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies.

Kanluwen wrote:Except it's not "people think you're weird for dropping a $115 down on a game with zero details other than an internet picture or two doesn't make people crybabies"--it's "people think you're an idiot/fanboy/moron/whatever insulting idea you want to insert here for buying this from GW instead of Spartan Games".

I have agree that insulting someone because they chose a different game is just dumb. But I stick to my point - pre-ordering stuff without knowing what it is brings unnecessary risk of wasting money.

Preordering any video game has the same risk, since most demos don't release until after the game is out.

fullheadofhair wrote:Personally I think anyone who buys a game with knowing the mechanic is taking an unnecessary risk.

Kanluwen wrote:By this logic, anyone who buys the starter set for FB/40k/LOTR are taking an unnecessary risk.

That is true. Very risky. Now if only GW had shops here you could go in and look at the product before you bought. Maybe even a helpful staff member that could help and explain the differences between the games. You know what would be cool - demo games - if only they did demo games using well painted mini's and some cool terrain. I will write immediately to GW and suggest that.

Now if only GW had shops everywhere.

Because it's not like most independent retailers(which are what the majority of GW product selling shops here in the US are) have demo games, right?

Kan, sometimes you are just special. Not in a good way.

Resorting to insults and sarcasm because your points are not actually valid isn't a good way to make yourself look better.

Kan, that's not what he meant about the orcs. The point is (i think) that he wouldn't want to get sued for supporting a game that the manufacturer neither prints or supports themselves anymore.

lord marcus wrote:Kan, that's not what he meant about the orcs.

That's exactly what he meant about the Orcs. It's why he went out of his way to say "I will just write a ruleset with new interesting rules and sculpt up 20 Orks in the same imaginative way that GW re-did Marines and 'Nids".

The point is (i think) that he wouldn't want to get sued for supporting a game that the manufacturer neither prints or supports themselves anymore.

You wouldn't get sued for putting out alternative rules.
Do you see people getting sued by GW for writing in the Proposed Rules forum?

Any idea on the scale of these, i.e. 1/2000, 1/1200, etc. ?

The Empire ship is.... 100mm long? So about 4 inches.

I'm curious to see them next to other ships out there. All my Dystopian Wars stuff is stored at the moment or I would measure one of those. Might be able to bulk up the fleets if the game can scale like that.

Could be a decent base for a larger game that one can expand on their own. Of course no one knows what the rules are like.... lol

It looks alright, but I am probably going to skip just because I see it not getting much play ay my house.

I will say, I like the ships, terrain etc, just a shame there wasn't a Druchii one, especially considering they operate a lot in that area, like the High Elves.

The biggest boon I get from the kit, like a few other people, the cards and such gives indication they might be willing to consider Warhammer Quest. although with the cards required and the card dungeon pieces I can see it being £100.

I'd pay it though. Just hope that it gets a look in, 2013 would seem likely now, as next year is 40K. Seems GW's new box schedule might be..

2008 - 40K 5th
2009 - Limited Box - Space Hulk
2010 - Warhammer 8th
2011 - Limited Box - Dread Fleet
2012 - 40K 6th
2013 - Limited box -Warhammer Quest??

Hopefully.

Not buying it.
Some of the ships look pretty nice, some look stupid. I sight the one that has an island with a castle on it. Hmm. Others really do resemble their competitores, Spartan Games. This costs way more than spartan, its not expandable. There is limited replayabillity because it wont scale and allow for engagements beyond the ones that they provide for. Just to much money to through away on something i know nothing about.
Not for me.

Kanluwen wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:
@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat.

You don't need GW to do this. You just need the Space Hulk rules and a decent sense of how best to balance things yourself.

Why that is so true. I will just write a rule set with new interest rules and sculpt up 20 Orks in the same imaginative way that GW re-did marines and 'nids. How could I be so stupid. Sheesh Kan, sometimes you can be really really really not smart.

Why do you need 20 Orks in the "same imaginative way that GW redid Marines and Nids"?

The only reason the models in Space Hulk were "resculpted" and it wasn't simply the normal models available in the Terminator or Genestealer boxes is that they are essentially characters.
It won't require too much effort on your part to do a kind of 'characterful' set of Orks or Guardsmen or Necrons for the game.

Because I think your attitude of "write your own rules and make your own mini's" sucks. Pardon me for wanting some cool new looking minis that are as dynamic and exciting as the terms and 'nids from Space Hulk - but heck, why change you opinion that people don't need it. Some of use don't convert. If I could right balanced rules I would get a job at GW. I mean, come on, why should GW make a profit by selling me something for a game that is already popular. Some of us don't own any orks or necrons. Just cannot stand those people who have a superior look at me I am such a better hobbyist than you attitude.

Your comment falls way short of any semblence of logic and is just defending a poor earlier comment.

Resorting to insults and sarcasm because your points are not actually valid isn't a good way to make yourself look better.

I do it because sometimes you just damn well deserve it. I find alot of your comments just fall woefully short of some degree of common sense and acknowledgement that people have different ideas.

sennacherib wrote:There is limited replayabillity because it wont scale and allow for engagements beyond the ones that they provide for.

So you've seen the rules and have determined that it won't scale?

You have also determined that you can't use the rules outside of the scenarios in the book.

May I ask where you got a copy so I can also decide if I want to purchase this or not?

Just saying, help a fellow gamer out here.

Trying to make a choice.

fullheadofhair wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:
@@@ Panic, do not be so damn obtiuse - having expansions is good for the company and good for the customer. Mant successful games have expansions. If GW did an expansion for space hulk, say Orks with rules againsts nids and marines I would drop $100 on that in a heartbeat.

You don't need GW to do this. You just need the Space Hulk rules and a decent sense of how best to balance things yourself.

fullheadofhair wrote:Why that is so true. I will just write a rule set with new interest rules and sculpt up 20 Orks in the same imaginative way that GW re-did marines and 'nids. How could I be so stupid. Sheesh Kan, sometimes you can be really really really not smart.

Why do you need 20 Orks in the "same imaginative way that GW redid Marines and Nids"?

Kanluwen wrote:The only reason the models in Space Hulk were "resculpted" and it wasn't simply the normal models available in the Terminator or Genestealer boxes is that they are essentially characters.
It won't require too much effort on your part to do a kind of 'characterful' set of Orks or Guardsmen or Necrons for the game.

Because I think your attitude of "write your own rules and make your own mini's" sucks. Pardon me for wanting some cool new looking minis that are as dynamic and exciting as the terms and 'nids from Space Hulk - but heck, why change your opinion that people don't need it. Some of us don't convert. If I could write balanced rules I would get a job at GW. I mean, come on, why should GW make a profit by selling me something for a game that is already popular. Some of us don't own any orks or necrons. Just cannot stand those people who have a superior look at me I am such a better hobbyist than you attitude.

Your comment falls way short of any semblence of logic and is just defending a poor earlier comment.

Resorting to insults and sarcasm because your points are not actually valid isn't a good way to make yourself look better.

I do it because sometimes you just damn well deserve it. I find alot of your comments just fall woefully short of some degree of common sense and acknowledgement that people have different ideas.


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sennacherib wrote:Some of the ships look pretty nice, some look stupid. I sight the one that has an island with a castle on it.

Isn't that an island?

I'm still of the opinion that this won't sell out in a hurry, particularly if they've done the same amount of copies as Space Hulk. Unless it is very limited edition, this will still be kicking about on mail order in a year's time.

I'm really excited about this.

I'm going to sculpt loads of ships, maybe 10-15 per race (some being cast) so I can play proper fleet based battles.

Awesome stuff.

Flashman. Supposedly 35,000 worldwide. Not sure how that compares to space hulk?

Flashman wrote:

sennacherib wrote:Some of the ships look pretty nice, some look stupid. I sight the one that has an island with a castle on it.

Isn't that an island?

I'm still of the opinion that this won't sell out in a hurry, particularly if they've done the same amount of copies as Space Hulk. Unless it is very limited edition, this will still be kicking about on mail order in a year's time.

Look at the vampire ship.

@ Kan, no its not.

FHoH was responding to your deadpan statement that he should make alternative rules and mini's.

If he released minis, there is a chance he could be sued for copyright infringment, hence the point he was trying to make was totally missed by you.

Love it. Not buying it as I don't have £70 to throw down on anything non essential at the mo yet alone something like this but the models are all really detailed, imaginative and very fun looking. The sea mat appears to be a work of art in and of itself and all the fate card kind of stuff reminds me of old fashioned boardgames which I guess is what they're going for.

Really love the mechanical squid in particular, very Jules Verne in it's styling, if I see one on ebay for reasonable money I might bite.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It looks alright, but I am probably going to skip just because I see it not getting much play ay my house.

I will say, I like the ships, terrain etc, just a shame there wasn't a Druchii one, especially considering they operate a lot in that area, like the High Elves.

The biggest boon I get from the kit, like a few other people, the cards and such gives indication they might be willing to consider Warhammer Quest. although with the cards required and the card dungeon pieces I can see it being £100.

I'd pay it though. Just hope that it gets a look in, 2013 would seem likely now, as next year is 40K. Seems GW's new box schedule might be..

2008 - 40K 5th
2009 - Limited Box - Space Hulk
2010 - Warhammer 8th
2011 - Limited Box - Dread Fleet
2012 - 40K 6th
2013 - Limited box -Warhammer Quest??

Hopefully.

2013 - The Hobbit miniatures game...

Mick