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To clarify, I buff my spirit stone nightly, just like all my Eldar brethren.

And from what I have read so far in this thread, there is very little information, and a lot of talkative Eldar.

Still awaiting a reply from Avantgarde and Bishop. 2 posters that don't answer. 2 Dark Kin left. Coincidence? Most likely.

And might I point out that a Dark Eldar may keep waystones of fallen Craftworlders as 'trophies', so you polishing of them proves little. Just come out an say it.

I am a prime example of a Craftworld Eldar, and do not torture space puppies and other fluffy species for fun as a Dark Eldar would.

Thankyou EF for the mokery. Might you just be a little more aggressive and you'll be lynching me soon for suggesting we be truthful, or at least expecting it.

I think I may vote for AvantGarde, based on BishoGore's posts through the thread, I think he may be reliable.

Thus:

Vote: AvantGarde

OOC: I also want to get things moving now, hence my vote

EF, I wasn't sure what to do with your vote, so I've put it down as you're now voting for SilverMK2. You can change it as normal.

VoteCount 16

- n0t_u ( - )
- the_ferret ( - )
- BishopGore ( - )
- Vulkan ( - )
1- Arheiner (avantegarde)
3- AvantGarde (BishopGore, Arheiner, SilverMK2)
1-SilverMK2 (Emperor's Faithful)
-Emperor's Faithful ( - )

With 8 players alive, 5 is required to lynch

Will it be you?

If the deadline were to come to pass now avantegarde would be lynched

VoteLog (DayPhase3)
EF voted for Vulkan
BishopGore voted for Arheiner
Ef Voted for Arheiner
BishopGore unvoted Arheiner
avantegarde voted for Arheiner
BishopGore voted for Avantegarde
Arheiner unvoted then voted for avantegarde
EF votes for [currently needs replacing]
SilverMK2 fills in for [currently needs replacing]
SilverMK2 voted for AvantGarde

6 days, 2 votes to lynch and.... Why are we targetting AvanteGarde apart from Bishop's feelings?

@not_u: I get the same feeling. I really wouldn't have noticed that little 'Dire Avenger' slip up unless Arheiner specifically pointed it out to me (and the entire group). What did he have to gain from doing that? Nothing if he was actually he doctor. But it could work to draw out in the hands of a Dark Kin. (Or a really smart Citizen who is betting on the Doc protecting them this night)

I noticed it and pointed it out to everyone. But he could have just brushed it off very easily as a comment "Dire Avengers are more common than any other kind of eldar warriors' or some such, but decided instead to tell us all of what a mistake he'd made. I'm suspicious, but I agree, he'll die tonight or he won't, in the meantime we should focus on others and seek out more deeply hidden Dark Kin.

- BishopGore, are you a Dark Kin?

I am not. Or am I?

I'm working hard to rid this craft of Dark Kin before the end. We need to get this craft back to the craftworld to ensure our spirit stones may rejoin our ancestors, and not be cracked open and our souls fed to She who Thirsts.

So EF, you agree that Arheiner is a suspicious character, but seem to also agree that we're not going to get more from him before this night phase, if he dies and flips pro-town, we'll know, if he doesn't then we can rub our hands together and go after him with more vigour.

So who do you think needs to be investigated further today?

Welcome Silver, hopefully you will stick around to see this through with us, there's a long way to go, but we can do it together.

I aim to survive this dark time, but only the fates know how the future will unfold.

I believe that EF is a bit too vocal in his accusation of others, along with his interesting voting record, and could stand closer investigation to ensure that he is not wearing black skin tight crotchless spiky armour.

I understand Silver's point in Bishop being trustworthy, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. We know he can likely be trusted as a non-Dark Kin, but that doesn't mean he's not infallible. Bishop can still make mistakes.

As with you Silver, you seem a bit edgy about my vote concerning you. But that's fine, I never really suspected you at all, I was just joking around with my vote. In redards to Arheiner, his being the doctor is not certifiable until he dies. If he is not lynched now, we risk the lynch of an innocent. If he survives the night (and remember, the Dark Kin have no real reason to target him at moment) then he's a likely candidate for a lynch tommorow.

This is why...

Vote: Arheiner

If this guy turns out to actually be the doctor then I'm pretty much fethed.

I read through some of the discussion prior to joining the game, and your actions seemed slightly dark then. My thoughts are not coloured, as such, by your accusations of me, more by your overall activity.

Oh okay. Well, it really doesn't help your case if you don't quote (or at least sum up in passing) your suspicions of my suspious...ness. That's just to make your point clear to the other citizens. Put a case together, and your opinion will hold a lot more sway than just saying 'Your posts are sometimes suspicious'.

I'm currently at work, but I will see what I can put together when I get back. However, I think much of it is summed up by BishopGores post a couple of pages ago where he goes through the discussion and highlights a few things for different people.

I don't see how people should really see you as being more suspicious just for voting for the Doctor (that's what I'm calling Arheiner for the rest of the game ) EF.

Logically he's a Dark Kin. Because the Doctor wouldn't reveal themself as they have nothing to gain entirley. In fact it kind of shows a disinterest in the game, possibly wanting to withdraw without seeing himself disapointing the other players or maybe pride stopping him from giving up. But we shouldn't vote for him today, if he's a Doctor then he's killed by the Dark Kin in the night phase, if he's alive tomorrow then it's likely that he's a Dark Kin and would probably be lynched then.

Like I said, I relaxed too much and said 2 words I shouldn't, I was interested then made a huge cock-up. My main worry is Dark Kin killing someone else to leave me to get lynched tomorrow.

OOC: Just finished an exam and term paper so I finally got some free time.

Oooh, three votes on me.

If you messed up, Arheiner, then why bring it up for everybody to see? You could have just kept quiet, hoped nobody figured it out and gone about your job. Bringing it up means you want us to either protect you or you're distracting us. If you are pro-eldar you're definitely going to be night killed at this point or maybe even lynched; if you didn't draw attention to your own post you probably would have been night killed anyways when they figured it out, but you wouldn't be as big a target for lynching today and might have gotten another night of protecting in if they took longer to notice.

I mentioned it thinking Drk_O had said it, then BishopsGore brought it up for everyone to see.

I have to say I don't think 'Doctor' voting is particularly helpful. The doctor will probably be sniped in a night kill and us wasting votes there is counterproductive. I would like to know why Bishop brought up a pro-town mention. It doesn't help anyone to know that this role exists....

Arheiner wrote:I mentioned it thinking Drk_O had said it, then BishopsGore brought it up for everyone to see.

It's clear I haven't been following the events of this day very well.

The thing is, I doubt the Doctor will be killed tonight for either one of two reasons.

1) He's a Dark Kin.

2) He's actually the Doctor, but the Dark Kin know that by leaving him alone he'll look incredibly suspicious. (As not_u's post demonstrates)

In either case 'leaving him for later' in order to find out his true is not going to work.

My Main Point to Vote for Arheiner

Arheiner, I don't buy your story. You mentioned it in passing, and I didn't pick it up. At all. I was asking you what the feth you were talking about. You then continually went on and pointed it out, so now it was pretty obvious. It it was an honest mistake, then why would you focus everyones attention to it? I think that the 'mistake' was intentionally placed, but I'm not entirely sure why.

1) I am not sure Arheiner is a Doctor. He has belaboured the point to such an extent that it feels like he's creating a massive distraction, and if he is a guilty party, then we need to find out why he's creating a distraction. We need to look at what was going on when he made this 'slip' and see who was under suspicion.

It was before my posts attacking Avantgarde (with the subsequent votes against him from others), so if this was an act of distraction, what was going on?

2) I think EF is a bit dodgy, but I wouldn't say he's Dark Kin dodgy, more a bit sneaky dodgy. I am watching him, but I wouldn't consider him a threat right now. Of course many would say the person you do not consider the greatest threat is your greatest threat, but if you think like that you'll tie your brain in a knot.

3) we need to attach Scarper's previous work to that of SilverMk2, which is going to be difficult, considering it's a whole different person. Scarper was quiet, but involved enough not to be suspicious, laid back and generally logical. He didn't make waves, but maybe was a bit too calm in the face of the dangers around us. We now have to deal with a whole different mentality stepping into those shoes. I think Silver will be safe until we can get a handle on him.

^The only interesting things I can think of was a little talk about Scarper's role. There was some rumbling about going after Vulkan after Lord-Loss, but I think that petered out by the end of Day 2. Then there's the_ferret who was pro-Lord Loss on Day 2.

I'd like a little more from SilverMk2. He dropped his vote on me without a real reason, took a shot at EF then walked off.

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the_ferret to explain this:

Cowardly? Cowardly would be unvoting Vulkan now and letting you lot use the 'oh look we ran outa time' to lynch LL, who doesn't look guilty to me. Neither does Vulkan. But changing my vote now is just the same as voting LL, as I said.

Easy, it was 3 v 3. My gut said neither was guilty and unvoting would make it 4 v 2 which would be an automatic LL vote. The fact that I was wrong don't make me suspicious. It makes me fallable.

As I said, my vote for avantgarde was based on what BishopGore was saying in his summary post on p22, as well as just general suspicions that you can't really put your finger on (the reasoning behind which would take several hours to explain ).

As I've said, I roughly agree with what BishopGore has been saying and his logic (I suppose somewhat of a risky move, since I do not definitely know what his role is in this dance), however, from his actions and votes he seems to be on the side of town.

Like him, I am somewhat suspect of EF, it is his actions that seem to have cost the Eldar the most, however, I have nothing solid to suggest that EF is Dark Kin, only enough to suggest that he is suspect, as is avantgarde. However, since AG already had several votes against him, I decided to cast my lot in against him on this occasion.

Silver, following blindly can either be considered suspect behaviour and it can lead to suspect behaviour if the one you are following is suspect. Unfortunately the second of those options is true in my mind.I would weigh your decisions more.

SilverMK2 wrote:
Like him, I am somewhat suspect of EF, it is his actions that seem to have cost the Eldar the most, however, I have nothing solid to suggest that EF is Dark Kin, only enough to suggest that he is suspect, as is avantgarde. However, since AG already had several votes against him, I decided to cast my lot in against him on this occasion.

Excuse me? Care to elaborate this fairly new, and somewhat insulting, point?

Having not been in the game that long I may obviously be missing some key actions undertaken by people (it takes a while to read through 20+ pages of stuff and tie it all together ), however, EF's vote changes and votes appear to have consistently been against town players for the last day phases (again, not been here the whole time, so just gong on what I have read so far, which is not the whole thread).

And as I said, I am currently not voting against EF for two reasons;

1) I don't really have anything solid against him, should he turn out to be Dark Kin.

2) AG already had votes against him and I feel (again, from the limited quantity I have been able to read and catch up on) that he may well be Dark Kin.

As I mentioned when I joined the game, if anyone wants to fill me in, convince me, or anything else, they are free to either PM me, or post here.

Starting part way in has put me at a significant disadvantage regards knowing what is going on, and it will take me a while to get my feet.

I was not meaning to insult you, EF, I was just putting it how it seems to me.

Okay, as far as I know, the only mistake I have made was getting the "Shas'o Ball" rolling, and he sorta had that coming. I did protest his lynch when it seemed like it was being taken too far.

As for LL, if I hadn't dropped my vote then his lynch would have been quite unlikely.

I will prod Vulkan tomorrow. As by my clock it is the 24th, and he has not posted since the 18th. Nearly 6 days, 4 if you count today and friday.

Sorry about the lack of posts ive been taking advantage of the sun and going out side

I don't think arheiner is the doctor role as he seems to have stretched it a bit far now
He could have kept it quiet and no one would have realy noticed