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Understood.

I know the powers at be at Dakka are big boardgamers themselves for a long time.
I just didnt want anyone feeling like I was trying to siphon and wanted to cut that off at the bud.

Vain wrote:

General Seric wrote:This is just looking better and better, though I think I will wait until the last few days to pledge just to see exactly what I will get. But it already looks just as good of a deal as Zombicide, so I am almost certain I will be pledging.

There is an inherent flaw in that plan.

Let's say there is 200 people who think the same way as you (not entirely out of the question) who also want to get the $100 game but are waiting for the last day "to see exactly what I will get."

Well that means on the last day approx $20,000 gets dumped in by those 200 people. 20k is not an unusual amount for a stretch goal so you might have achieved a last minute rush to get a whosit or a whatsit.

HOWEVER if those 200 people were happy getting the insane value that is already available and put in the pledges a week or so in from the end (or earlier, whenever they feel it is of sufficient value) then you get to jump the total and another Stretch goal might be posted which gives even more people incentive to put their money down and those 200 people might get even more value for the $100 they put down.


TL;DR - If you think you want to pledge, do so when the starter hits a level you like. If you are worried you might miss out on cool extras, don't worry! You can ammend your pledge until the end of the starter.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of it that way. I will now likely pledge 2-3 days before the end to allow the pledge to impact stretch goals. Good suggestion

If you're already insterested in the game, what do you gain by waiting rather than pledging now and showing your interest as soon as possible?

insaniak wrote:If you're already insterested in the game, what do you gain by waiting rather than pledging now and showing your interest as soon as possible?

Some people just really want to wait for a stretch goal to push them I guess

Pledge early.

The reason being is that if enough pledges are made prior to the end, then the ending stretch goals will be all the more bountiful (assumption based on previous performance of other notable kickstarter games).

Pledging late is the paranoid way out and everybody's rewards are potentially less for it.

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And if you think what you are getting by the end sucks, then you can always pull your pledge. Not recommended but still a possibility.

kenshin620 wrote:

insaniak wrote:If you're already insterested in the game, what do you gain by waiting rather than pledging now and showing your interest as soon as possible?

Some people just really want to wait for a stretch goal to push them I guess

I am very interested, but I would like to wait until near the end to make my final decision. This is mainly because I have been making a lot of wargaming purchases recently, ($100 for Zombicide, >$100 for my German army for FoW) and would like to really consider this purchase. I will like to see what other extras I will get with this and then make my final decision on whether I want to spend another $100 or not.


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Hellfury wrote:
And if you think what you are getting by the end sucks, then you can always pull your pledge. Not recommended but still a possibility.

You can do that? I hadn't realized that, this was the main reason I was not putting down my money, because I feared I might regret the purchase as an impulse buy later on.

Though I could see why this could be a bad thing for the company doing the kickstarter too...

That's why it's not recommended, but still a possibility.

The ethical thing to do (IMO) is if you pledge to stick with it. But the project is way past being funded so I doubt there is any if much worry that funds will be withdrawn be pledgers.

However, extenuating circumstances may arise to where you may need to save the funds by that time.
I think the cut off point for withdrawing a pledge is 48 hours before the project on kickstarter is ending, IIRC.

How does BGG figure out if a game is hotness or notness? SW has 73 likes, but the last one on their hotness list has like 14...

Necros wrote:How does BGG figure out if a game is hotness or notness? SW has 73 likes, but the last one on their hotness list has like 14...

Oddly enough, the time visitors spend on specific game pages figures in to what is in the hotness list. Dont ask me why, this is just what the mods there have revealed.

This is why Star wars epic duels is currently in the hotness list, despite low internal intrest in the game. An external site linked to that page and it is rather high in the hotness there, much to the confusion of many users on BGG.
The hotness list is a constantly evolving thing, showing general interest of visitors of that site and what they visit there and for how long.

This is why simply visiting this link...
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125326/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster
...can help elevate it if enough unique users hit that link.

Necros wrote:How does BGG figure out if a game is hotness or notness? SW has 73 likes, but the last one on their hotness list has like 14...

The first game on the list has 12 likes, seems a bit odd...

Oh .. and here I always thought it was based on sales figures and stuff

Alpharius wrote:

Necros wrote:15 days is still a long way to go... plenty of time for folks to keep on pledging .. betcha it tops 400k in the end.

More like over $500K!

And again, with the right stretch goals (which they seem to be doing with free miniatures), I wouldn't be surprised to see it finish up near Zombicide's $700K.

I dunno. that's close to (and more than) doubling their current pledge level. They'd need an awful lot of new blood to come in and pledge to get that high. I mean, I hope they do, but I wouldn't count on it. They'd have to keep adding more optional extras, which I'm less keen on since I'm pretty much at max right now, and I'm surer a lot of others are already at the end of their stretch funds for Kickstarters...


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H.B.M.C. wrote:Remember that Zombicide made $400K+/- in the last three days of its drive. Up until that point it was making about half what Sedition Wars is making per day (roughly). I'm not sure what drove the sudden interest in Zombicide - it could be that there were a lot of people late to the party (myself included), but it seems that people are onboard with Sedition Wars from the word go, so we mightn't see such a huge rush at the end.

Additionally a lot of the latter Zombicide stretch goals were kind've "We'll never make it this high, but..." style stretch goals. When they put up not-Ash at $700k they weren't expecting to make that in a day. Then they did...

Hm, so Mike needs to put up a ton of space-versions of Ash, Shaun, Dutch, John, John, Alice, and some Cyberdyne, Winston and Hans-Rudi -inspired models in the next week and a half to go with Ellen.

Hm, that might be a good idea, actually. Best get Kev White busy, quicksmart!


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insaniak wrote:If you're already insterested in the game, what do you gain by waiting rather than pledging now and showing your interest as soon as possible?

Making sure I can afford what I'd like to pledge. For me, we're talking hundreds each for SW and Mantic a week apart. If I could pay them and be done, it'd be one thing. Since I need to pledge and then have the money available in the appropriate account on the "charge" day, I need to look out for exchange rates (see what our dollar did a couple of weeks ago?) and also other bills, emergencies etc that unfortunately have a higher priority than toy soldiers and may wipe away the discretionary funds that get used for this stuff.. e.g.: I had to get the grill and oven fixed recently - $320 gone, just like that.

Moreso, if something happens and I forget that I've pledged, then my account might end up overdrawn - if you or a loved one gets sick, you might have to pay extra bills and be so preoccupied and forget that Kickstarter is going to charge your account $300 on this or that specific day...

if McMantic et al want to cover people like me who hold out for the last minute, put several stretch goals up at once. Not one at a time. (Mantic has been doing this reasonably well at times).

Alice would work nicely with all those Strain around. The infected version would have to look identical and you could have multiples of her in play at once*

*Though that game will end in defeat for the Alice player, with only one survivor

scipio.au wrote:Moreso, if something happens and I forget that I've pledged, then my account might end up overdrawn - if you or a loved one gets sick, you might have to pay extra bills and be so preoccupied and forget that Kickstarter is going to charge your account $300 on this or that specific day...

Ok now stop. Now you're just being hysterical/pedantic. This kickstarter sends you 2 E-mails a day. You won't forget. And you can cancel a pledge at any time before the end, and after its over. Calm down.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

scipio.au wrote:Moreso, if something happens and I forget that I've pledged, then my account might end up overdrawn - if you or a loved one gets sick, you might have to pay extra bills and be so preoccupied and forget that Kickstarter is going to charge your account $300 on this or that specific day...

Ok now stop. Now you're just being hysterical/pedantic. This kickstarter sends you 2 E-mails a day. You won't forget. And you can cancel a pledge at any time before the end, and after its over. Calm down.

I'm plenty calm. I have no intention of pledging until the last day. If this dissatisfies you, you're more than welcome to pledge on my behalf and pay for my toys. I've given several reasons - and it does happen that I can spend days away from my computer for various reasons (gasp!) and I have forgotten things like "important" eBay auctions plenty of times. And frankly, the dollar is a major concern right now. How much are you pledging between the two, Mr. Big Shot? My potential spend between the two is around $600 within two consecutive weekends. Plenty of things can blow a hole in that.

Above all else, I'm reserving my right to change my mind at the last minute for any reason I might have.

If you can't accept that, you're welcome to STHU.

That's not a nice thing to say. Unless it's some sort of fruity acronym.

Yeah, I agree HMBC's post was uncalled for. Shall we move on now?

Awww, that's so cute, you removed it. Good boy.

I think they've pretty much exploited all the figures with their stretch goals up to this point. We have double of the the good guys/bad guys, and now, the tank.

If they're going to push farther (A LOT) farther, you're going to have to see new sculpts, and/or new characters (plus the strain version if possible) with scenarios based around them. I'd be willing to wait on the newest sculpts, even if they didn't ship with the game right away.

BrookM wrote:Awww, that's so cute, you removed it. Good boy.

Well, I changed it. Twice, actually. Once before I posted and once after. You're welcome to do any or all of the three though if you want to carry on butting in with pointless trolling.

Moopy wrote:I think they've pretty much exploited all the figures with their stretch goals up to this point. We have double of the the good guys/bad guys, and now, the tank.

If they're going to push farther (A LOT) farther, you're going to have to see new sculpts, and/or new characters (plus the strain version if possible) with scenarios based around them. I'd be willing to wait on the newest sculpts, even if they didn't ship with the game right away.

Agreed. I listed some tongue-in-cheek ones earlier. The problem as I see it more realistically though is that with the amount of stuff already being given away at $100, additional stretch goals will either have to be more "add-ons" like the "Lights Out" stuff and scenery packs, which costs an extra $30/50 a pop or stretch goals that affect add-ons - like the Ripley figure. The painting DVD and solo campaign are both nice "out of the square" rewards, but for both, a lot of people just bleated about not getting more figures for the same money they'd already pledged. I mean, how many extra $30 and $50 add-ons will people be willing to cough up for before the extras start to cannibalise themselves?

Really though, unless they come up with more "outside the square" rewards that people value, it's probably going to have to be Mantic-(or AoW) style shortly where people are pledging based on concept images. Actually, Ridley was already one of those, and a "buy me" add-on, so there we go...

The only extras that I can think of as easy stretches are to either offer extra packs of the same boards, make the boards single sided so you can have larger/more complex maps... or new boards.

I guess there's also the possibility of turning the other card counters into plastic chits as well, or art books.

After that you're into new model/expansion territory which isn't really stretch goals as such as they would have to be bought separately.

Can't wait to see what they come up with though as we're already a third of the way towards the $300k goal in 10 hours.

scipio.au wrote:I'm plenty calm.

Your blathering after that seems to indicate otherwise.

Additional stuff could be easy to do.
Some examples being:

* Additional map tiles. Making one or two new map tiles is purely a graphic design hurdle and easier to do than milling a new mold for models.

* Release the terrain simultaneously with the game. This is a no brainer really by bumping production up. Who wants to wait another half a year before they can add that to their games? I imagine half of the people will have moved on from the game by that point making the terrain set a huge loss at the retail level. Best to strike while the iron is hot.

* Alternate unit abilities on cards for models already provided. Don't need many. Perhaps just variant rules for the character models.

* Additional scenario book. This would especially be needed if new tiles were made.

* Throw the Sharro model into the plastic mold. The sculpting is already done. May as well use it if it fits within the Vanguard background.

* Throw in previously made models like the one in this link of Kara: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HCPanLbUnrc/TKt50Nr_76I/AAAAAAAADEM/6lylOzRHQA8/s1600/kara_group.jpg


Ideas I am not fond of include stuff like the battlefoam insert from Zombicide. That stretch goal caused me to yawn for days.
Actually, I am not fond of any reward level for additional stuff that I have to buy. Yay! We have unlocked the ability for me to spend more money! No thanks.
I imagine I am not alone because I doubt the majority of people are buying more than just the game. Are the clear plastic glowey models really that cool? From a modelling perspective I find that hard to beleive.

Sharro and that Kara are too big to fit into this range as they were part of the larger scale collector models. Both would need to be redone, or scanned and shrunk digitally.

Ahh. I was not aware of that. Thanks for the clarification.

I guess a second Zosa would be useful so we can have one flamer and one pulse canon to swap between. Currently we get the bits for both weapons, but only one body.

You can cancel your pledge if you like with no charge whatsoever.

There is zero reason to not get in early with these kickstarter thingies.

A note on Sharro - she is 30mm in height and Rob Baxter confirmed she is part of the Sedition Wars universe. However, she isn't Vanguard or Firebrand...

the only extra ive go for is the clear plastic and then only as i want to paint them up as if there phaseing out of there camo cloak ..

im not that interested with the stuff that i have to wait till early next year tbh.

so im looking for stuff like a short story novela or something that adds gameplay .

the thing is anything free they add now has to be something that isnt going to eat that far into the profit margin ..especialy as they would need to give away 2000+ of them ..

Which is usually off set by the larger amount of $100+ sets they then sell!

Exhibit A: Zombicide!