8th Edition Rulebook Roundup

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**H.B.M.C.**

Well now's the time to start looking for incoming new terrain, or at least the prototypes of new terrain.

5th Ed 40K book had a number of terrain pieces that didn't see release for years (ruined Aquila, the statue, prototype Bastion, the defensive line/Autocannon turret).

**olympia**

Damn those jpegs are too low res to read. What's the point?

**Scottywan82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well now's the time to start looking for incoming new terrain, or at least the prototypes of new terrain.

5th Ed 40K book had a number of terrain pieces that didn't see release for years (ruined Aquila, the statue, prototype Bastion, the defensive line/Autocannon turret).

I know, and those mountains and towers look so sleek and well-tooled. I want them very much.

**Commander Endova**

So, has anyone spotted the countdown on the GeeDub homepage? 19 Days, 22 hours and some minutes as of this writing.

**Platuan4th**

I wanna know what comes with each version so badly...

**NAVARRO**

The layout of the pages looks very enjoyable.
Maybe its just for the picture but those regiments do look very fat indeed

**Flashman**

I enlarged the first page in power point. The writing is blurry, but you can just about read it. The special rules for Battle for the Pass read something like this...

"The battle is being fought in a narrow pass ??? by high cliffs. Because of this the long table edges count as impassable terrain. Following the normal rules, Flying Units can ??? find a route through the impassable terrain (or die trying!). Other units (including reinforcements) may not enter or leave via a long table edge unless they are Ethereal or a Flyer. This ??? that pursuing or overrunning units, other than Ethereals or Flyers, must stop 1" away from the long table edges."

Kind of like the idea of a spirit host emerging from the cliff face, a bit like in the extended cut of Return of the King.

**reds8n**

hmm... see scenario 3 http://warhammerworld.typepad.com/files/gw924_tos_pack-war.pdf

and the "clarifications" here :
http://warhammerworld.typepad.com/files/microsoft-word---wh-tos-grand-tournament-house-rules-update-23.10.09.pdf

**Karon**

Awesome.

Simply awesome.

I hope my Children of Chaos are treated like this as well.

I love the timer that they put on the Warhammer page on the GW site, looks really cool.

**Red_Zeke**

Also, the Invasion of Chrace scenario has page references for the Elven Watchtower and Elven waystone. Not sure, but that seems to mean that there will be rules for specific building types, which is kind of cool.

**NAVARRO**

Karon wrote:Awesome.

Simply awesome.

I hope my Children of Chaos are treated like this as well.

I love the timer that they put on the Warhammer page on the GW site, looks really cool.

Indeed it does.
I was looking into GW site and just checked the new articles about assembling and painting the new Trolls, very nice kits.

**Minsc**

Main thing I noticed is that Victory Points were kept for at least one mission type.

**RiTides**

Can anyone read the text from those pictures??? I'm trying to zoom in / enlarge here, but it's too fuzzy... I think when I get home I might be able to press my face against the PC screen and read it.

Edit: Wow, nice PDF reds8n! Where did you get that? It certainly didn't come with the email I received...

Edit2: Wow, lots of victory points! And for objectives, "scoring units" are mentioned a number of times, with this description: "Scoring Units: (Used for all scenarios): A Scoring Unit must have at least unit strength of five or more. It may not be a single model, Monsters and Handlers, Fliers or raised/summoned units. Characters joined to units do not
count when calculating victory points or unit strength.."

Take that, "must have a banner to claim objectives" rumor! Mwahah! Mwahhahaha! My army might still be viable...

**skyth**

The scoring requirement is likely different from what they used in the GT

**Minsc**

Hm, that "do not count toward unit strength" has me wondering: Are the days gone that characters contributed to "can you rally" but not original size of the unit?

**RiTides**

Oh, I see... that document is just the way they currently play it. But then why is "Scenario 3" in that PDF the same (or is it not?) as "Battle 3" in the Games Workshop email?

I guess they may have just based it off of it, but made changes... all the talk about "unit strength" and the like will probably be gone, since that may no longer work for the new edition. So maybe it doesn't bunk the rumors... gives me some hope, though!

**skyth**

No hope for you!

Especially since I'm not a fan of Wood Elves. In my opinion, they're not an army that should be in WFB...Something for the background, yes...But not in the game. They are too much of a guerilla-style army.

**FacelessMage**

Someone else posted this on another forum i frequent from what he could decipher

BATTLE FOR THE PASS
Many of the kingdoms of the Warhammer world are separated by towering mountain ranges that can only be crossed at the occasional mountain pass. These narrow [unreadable] are of vital strategic importance and provide a defender with the perfect battleground to confront an invading army.

THE ARMIES
Each player chooses his force using the army list from a Warhammer Armies book to an agreed point limit agreed before the game.

THE BATTLEFIELD
Set up armies as described on page 142. It's worth keeping in mind when setting up the terrain that the battle will be fought down the length of the table, in a narrow pass with impassable mountains just off each of the table edges.

DEPLOYMENT
Roll off to see which player picks the half of the table they want to deploy in. The opponent deploys in the other half. Note that in this pitched battle the game is fought down the length of the table rather than accross the width, as shown in the deployment map below.

Units may be placed anywhere in their half that is more than 12" from the center line.

Players take it in turn to place units on the table, using the alternating unit method of deployment described on page 142.

FIRST TURN
Roll off after deployment to see which player receives the first turn. The player that finished deploying his army first adds +1 to the roll.

GAME LENGTH
The battle will last for six game turns or until a time limit agreed by the players is reached, whichever comes first.

VICTORY CONDITIONS
Use victory points to determine the winner of the battle as described on page 143.

SCENARIO SPECIAL RULES
Bottleneck
The battle is being fought in a narrow pass enclosed by high cliffs. Because of this, the long table edges count as impassable terrain. Following the normal rules, fleeing units are [unreadble] through the impassable terrain and disappear from the table (or die trying!) Other units (including reinforcements) may not enter or leave via a long table edge unless they are Ethereal or a Flyer. This means that pursuing or overrunning units other than Etherals and Flyers must stop 1" away from the long table edge.

**RiTides**

skyth wrote:No hope for you!

Especially since I'm not a fan of Wood Elves. In my opinion, they're not an army that should be in WFB...Something for the background, yes...But not in the game. They are too much of a guerilla-style army.

Does it help that I play just the woods... not the elves?

There are a few too many "elf" armies, imho (high, dark, wood...) and I'm not a huge fan of pointy-eared blokes (which is why I'm low on units with banners)... I do love my walking trees, though

Edit: Thanks for transcribing the page, FacelessMage! I wish this was one of the scenarios with objectives to see what the wording will be for units that can claim them, but this is still very helpful.

**Therion**

Great news all around! Scenarios look interesting, the layout is pretty and most importantly the scoring units don't have the banner or core requirement to them. All that was needed to fix standards afterall was that the enemy doesn't get a bonus 100VP for capturing them, and as far as I know the command models are rumoured to have additional positive effects on the units than just the combat resolution bonuses etc. Fantasy is looking better and better.

**Karon**

But also worse and worse.

I love the sound of 8th edition, and LOVE the move towards blocks (that's a big part of fantasy for me, blocks of troops), but there really are a lot of negative things.

Init. Order, movement rumors, 2 ranks to negate rank bonuses to say a few.

**Buttlerthepug**

Does this mean we might yet see the return of seige game scenarios? And my FW Mammoth will actually be useful ingame?

**FlammingGaunt**

Buttlerthepug wrote:Does this mean we might yet see the return of seige game scenarios? And my FW Mammoth will actually be useful ingame?

Mammoth is a bitch compared to a emperor fire dragon which for HE only takes 2 rare slots.
BTW I used one in a 1500 pt game once my friend hasn't forgiven me to this day.

**Buttlerthepug**

FlammingGaunt wrote:
Buttlerthepug wrote:Does this mean we might yet see the return of seige game scenarios? And my FW Mammoth will actually be useful ingame?

Mammoth is a bitch compared to a emperor fire dragon which for HE only takes 2 rare slots.
BTW I used one in a 1500 pt game once my friend hasn't forgiven me to this day.

Lol I concur, Ive used both the mammoth and the chaos dragon in game... people dont like it when you spam fleshy abundance on them... I actually still want to get an emperor fire dragon and paint it like a pre chaos galruach...
But back OT, does anyone know if the sieges will be making an appearance? I didn't see any rumors on it and quite frankly the 6th ed rules dont work to well...

**Platuan4th**

Buttlerthepug wrote:
But back OT, does anyone know if the sieges will be making an appearance? I didn't see any rumors on it and quite frankly the 6th ed rules dont work to well...

I've seen a few rumours stating it's in. And the 6th ed siege rules work just fine as long as you have the update PDF.

**Ozymandias**

skyth wrote:No hope for you!

Especially since I'm not a fan of Wood Elves. In my opinion, they're not an army that should be in WFB...Something for the background, yes...But not in the game. They are too much of a guerilla-style army.

Good thing for us Wood Elf players that you're not in charge. What army do you play? Whatever it is, I don't think it should be in the game, just the background fluff.

**skyth**

Well, I play Warriors, Dark Elves, Empire, Orks, and Lizards. You'll take a big chunk out of the armies if you take those away (And they're mainstay armies also).

Wood elves have an entirely different warfare style (Basically Guerilla warfare) that isn't suited to a game about battles.

I don't know the system, but I would think that Flames of War doesn't have a 'French Partisan' army for much of the same reason.

**WARBOSS TZOO**

skyth wrote:Well, I play Warriors, Dark Elves, Empire, Orks, and Lizards. You'll take a big chunk out of the armies if you take those away (And they're mainstay armies also).

That they're mainstay armies is irrelevant. They have an entirely different warfare style [massive points sunk into characters] that isn't suited to a game about battles. I don't know the system, but I would think that Flames of War doesn't have a Dark Elves army for much the same reason.

**Karon**

Yeah, really. Its the same as me saying "I don't like shooting, so all the armies capable of shooting should be gone"

Makes no sense.

And, if we only had mainstray armies, the game would be BORING. There would be no Skaven, Tomb Kings, Ogres, and maybe beastmen.

**mikhaila**

skyth wrote:Well, I play Warriors, Dark Elves, Empire, Orks, and Lizards. You'll take a big chunk out of the armies if you take those away (And they're mainstay armies also).

Wood elves have an entirely different warfare style (Basically Guerilla warfare) that isn't suited to a game about battles.

I don't know the system, but I would think that Flames of War doesn't have a 'French Partisan' army for much of the same reason.

Many lists are like that, FJ and quite a few other lists play this way. No tanks or artillery, light on anti tank. US at least has bazookas.

They have an entirely different warfare style [massive points sunk into characters] that isn't suited to a game about battles. I don't know the system, but I would think that Flames of War doesn't have a Dark Elves army for much the same reason.

That would be a tiger company. Massive unkillable point sink. It loses in the rock/paper/scissors contest to US infantry with lots of bazookas.)

Back on topic: I find the rumors interesting, but will reserve judgement until the new books hit stores as preview copies in a couple of weeks. Too many small glimpses and not the whole picture.