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His Master's Voice wrote:Yes, because Dreadnoughts are such well thought out, good looking designs. I mean, in fanfiction they could actually walk without falling over all the time.

Yes, he's quite obviously talking about how realistic a Dreadnought is and not about how this violates the established design aesthetic of the last ~20 years.

This isn't an Imperial walker. It's a Gundam with a baby harness.

I like the new models. I was going to start a BA army to run 3 storm ravens but I might go with gray knights stormravens now and terminators. fun, small army.

The new DreadKnight sure looks just like the Matrix 3 APUs. (http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/APU)

I guess this might mean necrons are going to look a lot more like the machines in the matrix.

I like it.

TBD wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:At my FLGS, I will continue playing 3e Daemonhunters, this is true.
I am disappointed because I was hoping for an update, not the new broken army.

The "big deal" is that it seems like they went very over-the-top with the army. My ideal was to play an updated version of the army that I love, in regular games of 40k. Instead, I'll be relegated to playing 3e rules, with "permission only", in games. If you can't understand that disappointment, then you probably aren't a consistently DH player who enjoyed the old codex. If you don't get it, then you aren't going to.

So explain to me/us the difference as far as the rules go between the army you played before and the exact same models played with the new rules?

Which of the models/foc choices that the old codex had are over the top in the new one? I think it is the new stuff that is viewed as being "over the top", and nobody is forcing you to use any of it, especially not when playing friendly games at you local store.

Did you miss the "all Grey Knights have Power Weapons" part of the new Codex? That is a HUGE difference, and one that I cannot avoid in tournaments.
Psycannons, also played an important role in my lists, and they are significantly better (when frankly, they performed just fine beforehand)

You also seemed to miss that playing a 3e codex that is not as competitive, is fine by me. I'm the guy that will drop 500 points on the 4e Last Chancers, and play them, because I can still make them perform for me, even if they are a bit expensive for what they can do. All I was hoping for, with the 5e codex, was an update on outdated rules, and an update on the Allies section. Instead, the made a lot of newer OP wargear, got rid of some of the old...and got rid of Allies.

I think the people who are calling GK the new broken are totally off base. Some of their stuff definitely looks good, but it has to. With even modest upgrades we're looking at unit costs of 250 for ten PA guys, or ~450-500 for ten TA guys.

And that's for the bog standard troops. The elite versions quickly hit 300 for PA and 600-700 for TA.

Is anyone really going to tell me that 30 footslogging Terminators for 1500 points is broken? C:SM have been doing 30 for 1200 for, literally, years now, and nobody has been fussed.

BA can even give those guys FNP, albeit at a higher point cost, but still nobody has truly been fussed.

DA have been doing all-Terminator lists for awhile now and no one has blinked an eye.

The Dreadknight is good, no denying it. 2 fully kitted ones can run about 500 points. The HQs are not insanely priced, but still run 150 ish for decent options.

20 Terms with upgrades, 1,000 points. 2 DKs with upgrades, 500 points. Librarian and Grand Master, another 300 points.

Does 24 models truly scream 'broken' at 1800 pts? Really? I mean, they HAVE to be good.

Che-Vito wrote:...and got rid of Allies.

This was a surprise?

just seen the new grey knights on the GW webpage. colour me under-whelmed :/ they look good but no way near the level of intricacy that I was expecting.

good thing I'm doing a counts as GK custodes army

So do those mean that every standard grey knight in the army comes with a power weapon?

Leigen_Zero wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that the dreadknight is a freakin awesome model?. It's a marine in a giant silver aliens 2 powerlifter with flamethrowers and stuff!
Imagine a fight in a cargo hold, between one of these babies and a greater daemon, and they are trying to throw each other out of an airlock

As far as the codex goes, Matt Ward wrote it and you expected it to be balanced?

I like it to.
And nope, I dont expect this codex to be balanced, quite frankly I expect it to be underpowered.

clively wrote:The new DreadKnight sure looks just like the Matrix 3 APUs. (http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/APU)

You're only about the 20th person in this thread alone to "notice" and comment on it.

What's next, going to say how much like the Aliens Powerloader it is?

sigh...

Insert _________ complaint about latest GW model.

Insert __________ still not confirmed but will still complain about it anyways. Even though I have yet to touch the codex or play test it and BUT SOMEONE STILL POSTED ITS BROKEN! here.

Just to let you know I'm loading up my "I told you it was OP but you wouldn't believe me." Missiles

Anyways mass irritation now over with I do agree i'll miss the allies. But then again it gives me a reason to acutly get a full army for my inquisitor.

I will agree with those who are worried about the relative power level of the book, it's fan too early to judge. Criticisms of the models (especially the Dreadknight) are entirely justified.

Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

Who are you and what have done with the Kan?

puma713 wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:...and got rid of Allies.

This was a surprise?

After the PDF update? No.
For years prior to that, when I was looking for a new codex to come out? Absolutely.

And that is one of the biggest disappointments still.

My problem with the Dreadknight have not to do with rules or fluffy, the ideia of GK champions with equipment/powers that make them MC is very nice. Those guys are supposed to face daemons, the big, ugly daemons...

My problem with dreadknight is that ugly model. Said that, if i ever use a GK army, it will probably have some Angelic knight, floating on the air in a great terminator army, and BIG weapons...

PS: tecnically, the new codex is called Grey Knights, so it dont replace daemon hunters and witch hunters. SO allies keeps in... (well, we know GW will say something about it in future)

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

Who are you and what have done with the Kan?

Straight up! Listen, for all the ball busting, let's give a big +1 to the man for proving he is indeed capable of getting riled by GW!

No sarcasm btw!

Well at least you don't have to pay $50 for it, just go buy an Optimus Prime from Wal Mart.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:My problem with the Dreadknight have not to do with rules or fluffy, the ideia of GK champions with equipment/powers that make them MC is very nice. Those guys are supposed to face daemons, the big, ugly daemons...

My problem with dreadknight is that ugly model. Said that, if i ever use a GK army, it will probably have some Angelic knight, floating on the air in a great terminator army, and BIG weapons...

PS: tecnically, the new codex is called Grey Knights, so it dont replace daemon hunters and witch hunters. SO allies keeps in... (well, we know GW will say something about it in future)

Yes, it does replace Daemonhunters and Witchhunters. Try to pull that crap around here, you'd likely get asked to leave and never return.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who are you and what have done with the Kan?

...This isn't exactly 'new', for me to get irked by something they've done.

I just usually let it pass.

But this is inexcusable.

P.S. HB--how do you keep the hate flowing for so long? I'm already getting tired

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:PS: tecnically, the new codex is called Grey Knights, so it dont replace daemon hunters and witch hunters. SO allies keeps in... (well, we know GW will say something about it in future)

It doesn't replace Witch Hunters, that's correct, but it DOES replace Daemon Hunters, and anyone believing otherwise is just being naive.

Personally, I think they should make all walkers monstrous creatures. That would make them much more useful than they are now.


Second, how the heck do chaos players plan to convert a dreadkngiht into a defiller? It doesn't look anything like a defiler. I'd rather use a soul grinder myself, that's a sweet model.

Third, I just noticed they took the metal GK termies off the website! Damnit, I wanted to buy some before they took them down.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

Who are you and what have done with the Kan?

And what's with you being reasonable about the pricing of the PAGK pages ago? This release has brought us all together.

I'll probably get a dreadknight, and just figure out some way to cover up the dude's body with spare parts I have lying around. Exposed head is ok... baby carrier for body, not so much.

I dislike the head/leg proportions way more than I dislike the dreadknight.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Personally, I think they should make all walkers monstrous creatures. That would make them much more useful than they are now.

This is rather close to what I joked when HBMC asked how GW could dumb down(or as GW would put it: streamline) vehicles anymore: All vehicles as MCs in 6th ed.

Well, I was keeping up with this thread but now I've got home it's 26 pages long!

Amongst all this GK goodness, has there been any news on:

PAGK daemonhammers - what do they do? +str?
Nemesis Falchions?

Are any NFW power weapons in the hands of PAGK, TAGK or TAPs (that's Terminator Armoured Paladins since they don't have an official abbreviation yet)

Thanks

Quick question...

Do Grey Knight Interceptor Squads get to move as jump infantry and then a one time bonus "Shunt" move? Or do they move as regular infiantry with the one time special move?

ColdSadHungry wrote:(that's Terminator Armoured Paladins since they don't have an official abbreviation yet)

Sure they do.

The abbreviation for Paladins has always been Pallies.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Personally, I think they should make all walkers monstrous creatures. That would make them much more useful than they are now.


Second, how the heck do chaos players plan to convert a dreadkngiht into a defiller? It doesn't look anything like a defiler. I'd rather use a soul grinder myself, that's a sweet model.

Third, I just noticed they took the metal GK termies off the website! Damnit, I wanted to buy some before they took them down.

You know what else it doesn't look like?

An Imperial vehicle.

So yeah. It can work for a Defiler, provided you're willing to put some work in. Mount the frontplate with the battlecannon on the torso, sculpt some tentacles/aetheric links between the arms and the main body, etc and it can work.

Either way. I'm bringing those fethers down on principle alone. I. Hate. The. Dreadknight.

I would like 2 of everything in the initial release please (except the codex). I think my 4 year old summed up the Dread Knight.... I asked him what he thought about it and he said "I dunno what it is but it's really cool. Look at that sword!" The Rule of Cool wins for this release, go go GW!

PS I play Daemons as well and I can't wait to turn a Dread Knight into a Spawn since it's a MC and not a vehicle.

Yeah its really sad when the new big bad mek cups the pilots crotch so tightly. As always i love the look of the troops, but I think they could have just opted out of the Dreadknight altogether. I also agree with some previous statements, the teleporters look just a like to retro 50s. Put two metal attenaes on something and it can manipulate the atoms of the object and reposition them somewhere else, weak, just weak.

Kanluwen wrote:
You know what else it doesn't look like?

An Imperial vehicle..

You're right.

It looks like an Imperial Exo-Suit.



And that's all sorts of AWESOME.