Grey Knights Black Box in stores March 12th/ pics on page 12 onwards.

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**Kanluwen**

No, see Platuan: E-Frames make more sense than this abomination.

At least in an E-Frame you've got a fully enclosed control cabin(outside of the clearly open side points--although, interestingly enough: even before Playmates got involved, there were two variants of every E-Frame. A 'space' variant and an 'atmospheric' variant.), a skintight jumpsuit, and a standard issue mullet.

**ColdSadHungry**

I wonder why Coteaz has been taken off the webist? he's not in HQ or Elites. What could this mean?

**viney**

Terminators look good, everything else ranges from meh to terrible.
Might pick up a box of Terminators to paint in world eater colors.....

**ghosty**

I really want to get the Dreadknight, just to convert it. If it has a head on top, and a dynamic pose, it will really look cool. Additionally, I like the whole exo suit idea. Looks pretty nifty!

**Cerebrium**

I'm just gonna buy the dreadknight, and just not attach the pilot. Like some kind of awesome massive dreadnought.

**Baragash**

ColdSadHungry wrote:I wonder why Coteaz has been taken off the webist? he's not in HQ or Elites. What could this mean?

My first guess would be to repackage into a single blister.

**Redemption**

bhsman wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:Yes, because Dreadnoughts are such well thought out, good looking designs. I mean, in fanfiction they could actually walk without falling over all the time.

Yes, he's quite obviously talking about how realistic a Dreadnought is and not about how this violates the established design aesthetic of the last ~20 years.

This isn't an Imperial walker. It's a Gundam with a baby harness.

20 year established design aestetics my ass. Dreadnoughts used to look like this:

Heck, the Dreadknight is closer to that that the current Dreadnoughts.

**TBD**

Che-Vito wrote:Did you miss the "all Grey Knights have Power Weapons" part of the new Codex? That is a HUGE difference, and one that I cannot avoid in tournaments.
Psycannons, also played an important role in my lists, and they are significantly better (when frankly, they performed just fine beforehand)

You also seemed to miss that playing a 3e codex that is not as competitive, is fine by me. I'm the guy that will drop 500 points on the 4e Last Chancers, and play them, because I can still make them perform for me, even if they are a bit expensive for what they can do. All I was hoping for, with the 5e codex, was an update on outdated rules, and an update on the Allies section. Instead, the made a lot of newer OP wargear, got rid of some of the old...and got rid of Allies.

Wait, so you are a tournament player complaining about your army getting more competitive rules

Sorry, but it seems like your hopes & expectations just weren't very realistic.

**Scottywan82**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Scipio wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

I'm sorry, you must have missed where this is an Imperial piece of tech. This isn't the Tau, who are "constantly producing newer and better variations on their previous technology".

This isn't even the Adeptus Mechanicus or Dark Mechanicus, who would likely graft a servitor/daemonic intelligence into this monstrosity.

Its a major misunderstanding to think there is no technological advancement in the Imperium.
And inventions of the Mechanicus are most not fielded by the Mechanicus but mainly by Astartes, Inquisition, and other armed forces.

And it's a complete lack of understanding to think there's some kind of overnight technological advancement and that the Astartes, Inquisition and other armed forces are privy to their technology.

It takes centuries for things to be approved by the Mechanicus for "general usage". The Inquisition, at times, can expedite things--as can the Astartes simply by dint of them being Astartes.

But there's nothing really that can make this abomination make sense. The "powerloaders" used in docks, etc by the Imperium come in two varities:
The first variety are massive flesh and steel servitor constructs with the loader arms built into the flesh. Not "a guy strapped into a suit".
The second variety are Sentinels with those same loader arms attached to the weapon mount and a counterbalance on the rear.

As for the "3d rotational view"(which was added after my last post, but not by you so don't think this one's aimed at you Scipio):

The 3d rotational view makes me like it even less.

For feth's sake, you used the engine housing of a Dreadnought, the same 'exposed hydraulics' on the rear of the legs, etc.

Just fething make it a Dreadnought, GW you loons! Who, in God's Green Earth, came up with this design? Seriously. As a long time fan and big-time customer...

Whoever did think that was a good design: fire them. Now. This is something that belongs in a fanart section, not actually in the game

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TBD wrote:
Che-Vito wrote:
TBD wrote:Damn, people always seem to want to find reasons to not like something. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

As far as I'm concerned all of it is fething awesome and full of extra bits to convert other (Marine) stuff with. This will be an expensive (though long anticipated) release for me.

Those of us that have been playing Grey Knights for awhile, have fair reason to be disappointed.
I wanted them to update Grey Knights, not make them "the new broken onez!"

People are yelling this same stuff every time a new codex is released, and every time it turns out to be a bunch of exaggeration.

If you already have a Grey Knights army (based on the power armoured models) you can probably still play almost the exact same thing you played before. You don't have to play any new presumed over the top rule/character/wargear option just because it's in the codex. I don't see the big deal.

See, in this case(I can't speak for everyone else but I can speak for a few at least):

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the rules.

The Dreadknight is a crummy model, and should not waste the plastic production schedule.

You know your stuff is crap when....

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

Who are you and what have done with the Kan?

Someone's wearing his face like a mask!

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Platuan4th wrote:
Noisy_Marine wrote:Personally, I think they should make all walkers monstrous creatures. That would make them much more useful than they are now.

This is rather close to what I joked when HBMC asked how GW could dumb down(or as GW would put it: streamline) vehicles anymore: All vehicles as MCs in 6th ed.

Actually, I like this idea.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:I just usually let it pass.

Much to the amusement (or irritation) or the rest of us.

Kanluwen wrote:P.S. HB--how do you keep the hate flowing for so long? I'm already getting tired

Your hate makes you powerful. Embrace it!

**Grundz**

Scottywan82 wrote:
You know your stuff is crap when....

you know your posting is crap when you have to quote 3 pages of solid text to say 7 words about it?

**Platuan4th**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:P.S. HB--how do you keep the hate flowing for so long? I'm already getting tired

Your hate makes you powerful. Embrace it!

Also, your ability to hate is proportional to your age. The older you get, the more you can hate.

My proof lies in Frazz.

**wyrd boy of da naith**

I honestly like the long legged dreads and i have seen a few that are pretty good but this is cool but not for warhammer not for GK it have a lot of kit bashing or conversion potential but not in the game why the heck hes so exposed? and i spin it and expected a bigger engine and im interested to be honest to break him apart and make 2 suppa dreads and i dunno gave the spare parts to the gos of fire or trow en to old ladys

final comment i repeat its cool but not for warhammer

**Scottywan82**

Grundz wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote:
You know your stuff is crap when....

you know your posting is crap when you have to quote 3 pages of solid text to say 7 words about it?

Wow, thanks for your contribution!

In other news....

I think I've figured out a good use for those DK legs. Slaaneshi Knight-titans. They have that smooth aesthetic that Is a total pain to sculpt. And being so tall, I'm guessing they'd be a great basing point.

**geordie09**

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, this is not a dreadnought etc, I like the legs. I intend to use a dreadknight in the future to create a small slaanesh subjegator... I would not dream of using it as a dreadnought.

**Platuan4th**

Scottywan82 wrote: Knight-titans.

*eye twitch*

**AgeOfEgos**

TBD wrote:
Che-Vito wrote:Did you miss the "all Grey Knights have Power Weapons" part of the new Codex? That is a HUGE difference, and one that I cannot avoid in tournaments.
Psycannons, also played an important role in my lists, and they are significantly better (when frankly, they performed just fine beforehand)

You also seemed to miss that playing a 3e codex that is not as competitive, is fine by me. I'm the guy that will drop 500 points on the 4e Last Chancers, and play them, because I can still make them perform for me, even if they are a bit expensive for what they can do. All I was hoping for, with the 5e codex, was an update on outdated rules, and an update on the Allies section. Instead, the made a lot of newer OP wargear, got rid of some of the old...and got rid of Allies.

Wait, so you are a tournament player complaining about your army getting more competitive rules

Sorry, but it seems like your hopes & expectations just weren't very realistic.

The part that really doesn't make sense to me is the complaint about the new rules being too strong...while complaining about allies being removed.

The only time I ever saw Grey Knights in a competitive setting was when they leased out their Inquisitor/Mystic entourage to the Guard. Which, given the abundance of times I've seen that, they must have an entire planet dedicated to Inquisitor/Mystic factories.

**Breotan**

I actually like the body of the Dreadknight. Not so much the guy riding in the chest cavity nor the ape hanger hydrolics coming out of the shoulders. I'm ambiviloent about the pipe things coming out of the back of the foot.

I may get one but I'll definately lose the ape hangers. The thing on the back of the foot may find a new home farther up on the calf or thigh. I'm thinking that covering the lower half of the pilot, at least partially, would be a good thing.

**ColdSadHungry**

*******Just be careful if ordering off the website********

If you try to order some advance stuff AND something already available (like I did with some new PAGK and the vindicare), it may try to charge you postage if the existing model costs under £10!!

I think it will only do it if you choose to split your order, even though you are paying well over £10 all at once. DON'T split your order in this case.

**Platuan4th**

I'm still weighing whether I want to pre-order or just wait for it to show up at the FLGS(I have coupons!).

Do they still wait to charge you till it ships for pre-orders?

**Mr Hyena**

I hope Coteaz gets an amazing model rather than just a repackaging.

God knows he deserves it.

**Commander Cain**

*posted in the correct thread*

Personally, I love every model that came out this month! The PA and termie GK are chock full of bitz, perfect for use in other armies, the new HQ dude is a stunning figure and the dreadknight is a surprisingly nice model. The blurry pic really did not show any of the details and it is a very nice, new take on dreadnoughts.

All in all, a great month. I hope others feel the same way!

Cain

**Alpharius**

Redemption wrote:

20 year established design aestetics my ass. Dreadnoughts used to look like this:

That pic?

It is OLD.

The current Dreadnought design has been the 'norm' for damn near close to 20 years...

Platuan4th wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote: Knight-titans.

*eye twitch*

It has been bandied about so much in this thread, I'm surprised it took you this long!

**ColdSadHungry**

Platuan4th wrote:I'm still weighing whether I want to pre-order or just wait for it to show up at the FLGS(I have coupons!).

Do they still wait to charge you till it ships for pre-orders?

They charged me right away - this IS GW we're talking about

**Platuan4th**

Alpharius wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote: Knight-titans.

*eye twitch*

It has been bandied about so much in this thread, I'm surprised it took you this long!

To be honest, I've been skipping pages.

Plus, I've been trying to be good.

**bhsman**

Redemption wrote:20 year established design aestetics my ass. Dreadnoughts used to look like this:

*image*

Heck, the Dreadknight is closer to that that the current Dreadnoughts.

You're right, I can totally make out the pilot hanging outside the walker and the sleek, skinny limbs!

Wrong.

**Brother SRM**

Mr Hyena wrote:I hope Coteaz gets an amazing model rather than just a repackaging.

God knows he deserves it.

Coteaz already has an excellent model.

**Kirasu**

This is rather close to what I joked when HBMC asked how GW could dumb down(or as GW would put it: streamline) vehicles anymore: All vehicles as MCs in 6th ed.

I prefer the MC rule over the vehicle rule honestly... but if they did that then AV 14 would have to be T10 which would cause people to FLIP OUT cause they dont understand the correlation between AV and toughness

Afterall, even toughness 8 is only AV11/12 yet people routinely go berserk over how unfair wraithlords are

**ColdSadHungry**

Che-Vito wrote:Did you miss the "all Grey Knights have Power Weapons" part of the new Codex? That is a HUGE difference, and one that I cannot avoid in tournaments.

Looks like I missed that part. Are we sure that this is the case? ALL Nemesis weapons are power weapons? I don't remember that being in the leaked codex. I just don't believe that GW would give every model in an army power weapons.

**motorhead1945**

Instead of a pilot, add a Robot head Warlord-Titan-style. Problem solved....

I can't stop thinking bout' sigourney weaver now...

Fun-fact: German transl. for Dreadknight: Nemesis-Ritter

Plastic => flat armour plates => non-epic => GK fail... old metals look soo much better... guess this was expected.

Teleport arrays on PAGKs - The FU? Looks incredibly crappy, imho. I expected something the size of Assault Marines Jump-Packs. Not 2... radio antennas.

Side-ammo-clips on Stormbolters... no... just no... first thing to cut off...

Kaldor Draigo: HOLY CRAP! Kick's Lysanders' Ass in terms of coolness + goatie... Pose sucks though...