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The dreaded combination of "While Stocks Last" and "This release has been delayed"

 PenitentJake wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?

Well, we need the Court, Beasts, Grotesques and Urien at minimum.

Archon and Succubus on bikes would be great; Succubus on a Skyboard would be great.

Then of course:

Kheradruahk, aka Decapitator
Sliscus
Baron Sathonyx
Vect and the Dias

A plastic Tantalus would be nice, especially if it's a dual build for Vect and the Dias.

Beyond that, any expansion to Corsairs is also an expansion to Drukhari by proxy, so a generic Prince, plus Yriel (could be done as a dual build), a jump unit and a transport Aircraft (as opposed to hover tank, which Corsairs can already use).

That's a quick wishlist- if I (or GW) actually put thought into anything but Marines, there's a ton more potential.

Oh yeah... Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

Nope of those are new units though in reality, you just asked for the 5th ed book back.

Euro prices (from TGA)

€200 =£155

Edit and USD

Dudeface wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?

Well, we need the Court, Beasts, Grotesques and Urien at minimum.

Archon and Succubus on bikes would be great; Succubus on a Skyboard would be great.

Then of course:

Kheradruahk, aka Decapitator
Sliscus
Baron Sathonyx
Vect and the Dias

A plastic Tantalus would be nice, especially if it's a dual build for Vect and the Dias.

Beyond that, any expansion to Corsairs is also an expansion to Drukhari by proxy, so a generic Prince, plus Yriel (could be done as a dual build), a jump unit and a transport Aircraft (as opposed to hover tank, which Corsairs can already use).

That's a quick wishlist- if I (or GW) actually put thought into anything but Marines, there's a ton more potential.

Oh yeah... Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

Nope of those are new units though in reality, you just asked for the 5th ed book back.

Most of those characters never had models, and a generic Corsair Prince with attendant jump unit and transport aircraft was definitely not in the 5th edition codex.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?

Well, we need the Court, Beasts, Grotesques and Urien at minimum.

Archon and Succubus on bikes would be great; Succubus on a Skyboard would be great.

Then of course:

Kheradruahk, aka Decapitator
Sliscus
Baron Sathonyx
Vect and the Dias

A plastic Tantalus would be nice, especially if it's a dual build for Vect and the Dias.

Beyond that, any expansion to Corsairs is also an expansion to Drukhari by proxy, so a generic Prince, plus Yriel (could be done as a dual build), a jump unit and a transport Aircraft (as opposed to hover tank, which Corsairs can already use).

That's a quick wishlist- if I (or GW) actually put thought into anything but Marines, there's a ton more potential.

Oh yeah... Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

Nope of those are new units though in reality, you just asked for the 5th ed book back.

Most of those characters never had models, and a generic Corsair Prince with attendant jump unit and transport aircraft was definitely not in the 5th edition codex.

I don't think they'd be in the 11th either tbh. I sort of suspect any "other" aeldari releases will trigger an agents style book.

Dudeface wrote:
I don't think they'd be in the 11th either tbh. I sort of suspect any "other" aeldari releases will trigger an agents style book.

That'd be nice. And then an exodites book to round things out - the one piece of nostalgia GW has yet to mine!

Someone needs to start a "Plastic Warhound" discussion thread, without news it doesn't belong in this one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Someone needs to start a "Plastic Warhound" discussion thread, without news it doesn't belong in this one.

Yes it does, it's news and rumours after all and warhound titans are 40k units.

Dudeface wrote:

Yes it does, it's news and rumours after all and warhound titans are 40k units.

It is not news as GW haven't announced anything yet, but yes it is a rumour as it comes from Valrak who deals in rumours. Not to mention his predictions are so precise that we've not even had a preview show for announcing a new edition of Blood Bowl or a new Quest board game...

But I do wonder what makes anyone think that this would be a 40K release? Given the example of the greatly smaller Cerastus Knight, this is far more likely to be a kit release for Horus Heresy.

SamusDrake wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Yes it does, it's news and rumours after all and warhound titans are 40k units.

It is not news as GW haven't announced anything yet, but yes it is a rumour as it comes from Valrak who deals in rumours. Not to mention his predictions are so precise that we've not even had a preview show for announcing a new edition of Blood Bowl or a new Quest board game...

But I do wonder what makes anyone think that this would be a 40K release? Given the example of the greatly smaller Cerastus Knight, this is far more likely to be a kit release for Horus Heresy.

I imagine the kit might be branded in 30k, but it doesn't change the fact a warhound is a fully legal contemporary 40k unit as well. On the topic of the cerastus chassis, I wish they'd get a thumb out and codify them and just make their mind up if they're going in a 40k codex or not. I've not bought one as I don't expect an imperial armour entry to survive a cycle in honesty.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

With every Eldar character standing on a piece of ruined wraithbone, GW surely must have a non-ruined version they can release!

According to this article they do actually have a full shrine in some sort of digitally sculpted state used purely for the purpose of tactical wraithbone rocks.

Neil: We had previously designed little pieces of Aeldari ruins for the Harlequins and so forth, but as we did more miniatures that used ruins as basing elements, we decided to create a sculpted sketch of a whole shrine, and when we need new basing elements, we effectively snap pieces off and work them into the bases.

CorwinB wrote:
What I like about those Sunday evening previews is that they leave me with a whole week to contact my bank or local organs trafficing gang.

Has bidding opened on your liver yet?

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?
They don't have an Assassin-type unit, do they? Mandrakes have that fluff role, but they don't do it on the tabletop.

Off the top of my head:

- I've long argued that a Mandrake character would be appropriate. It could be an assassin or (given that Mandrakes have been shown to wield various abilities), it could even give DE a psyker/support-character equivalent.

- Sticking with characters, there are currently no tiers at all. e.g. there's an Archon but no Dracon. There's a Haemonculus but no Haemonculus Ancient. I think some lieutenant-type characters would help bring a bit more variety - especially to theme lists. They could also help differentiate the characters a bit more (which is your favourite generic DE character - the melee HQ, the melee HQ or the other melee HQ?). Haemonculi in particular could take on a support role, perhaps able to join units other than Wracks and join in addition to another HQ. And/or they could be caddies for artefacts or esoteric weapons.

- Options for Wings/Jetbike/Skyboard would also be nice. The Succubus in particular feels very limited in what she's able to join simply because two of the obvious units have mounts and she doesn't. An Archon with wings would be kinda cool, though I'd happily settle for a Scourge Lord HQ or something along those lines.

- Slaves! For an army of slave-takers, DE have surprisingly few slave units. One might think they would be able to find more creative uses for slaves on the battlefield - filling them full of drugs and letting them go wild, torturing and brainwashing them until they'll murder their own kind, strapping nightmarish devices to them and using them as living weapons (or conduits that quickly burn themselves out). Seems like there are options that could be explored.

- Mercenaries/Beasts. Instead of removing the Beastmaster, how about giving DE more beasts? It would seem there was still a decent amount of creative space available - perhaps some especially large and powerful creatures, perhaps even Tyranids that have been fitted with anti-psyker devices to deafen them to the Hive Mind? In a similar vein, there's the possibility of mercenary species. The Court of the Archon already hinted at this with the Sslyth, but this concept could surely be expanded beyond a couple of models in one unit? Especially when, by comparison, one looks at the variety of Kroot models in the Tau force.

- Creations. Haemonculi are supposed to be mad scientists who spend literal millennia creating all manner of horrors. Are you really telling me that an entire city's worth of these guys experimenting for longer than mankind has existed has produced all of four creations? Surely if the Haemonculi of the Dark City collectively scratch their heads they could perhaps come up with a couple more varieties?

Anyway, those would be my picks. Not saying the codex should include all of them, just that they would all seem to represent reasonable areas of expansion.

200€/250$ for Crux terminators. Totally looking forward to the Japanese price. I'm sure I can get a loan from the bank to buy one o.O

M.

Edit: a quick look at the current exchange rate tells me that if GW plays a bit with their it's far away(TM) surplus a bit they can price the box at 40.000Y.

That price is honestly brutal if thats the new going rate for battleforces.

I suppose I have enough minis... for now.

chaos0xomega wrote:
That price is honestly brutal if thats the new going rate for battleforces.

I suppose I have enough minis... for now.

The contents go for $348 separately, so it's not a terrible deal. Also, I don't have any of the multi-part Terminators, just the ones from the Leviathan box. So, I'm considering it.

Not sure I need another Terminator Chaplain, but... eh.

I'll be getting the Ancient and one TDA Assault Squad kit when the separates get a release, which shouldn't be long now. Gotta hand it to UM players, their new faction dice and upgrade kit makes me a bit jelly, both are 10/10

Quite a lot of content dropping on warcom today it seems. Some faction packs already updated - notably Deathwatch have their new Decimus kill team (which seems to NOT replace the firstborn vets). MFM seems to confirm Necrons are getting 3 new units from the kill team boxset, but no faction pack out just yet.

The new Deathwatch is exactly what I was expecting to see, which is to say that's fairly disappointing. What was once one of the most customisable units in the game has been locked to the build instructions.
No more pure shooting or pure melee squads. Every unit will have exactly 1 melee guy (Either Hammer or shield), 2 shooty guys (One of whom wears Gravis) and 2 who feel like dead weight. Making Gravis mandatory has also killed the ability to run 10 with a Watch Master in a Rhino so suddenly he's looking a bit sad.

Mozzamanx wrote:
The new Deathwatch is exactly what I was expecting to see, which is to say that's fairly disappointing. What was once one of the most customisable units in the game has been locked to the build instructions.
No more pure shooting or pure melee squads. Every unit will have exactly 1 melee guy (Either Hammer or shield), 2 shooty guys (One of whom wears Gravis) and 2 who feel like dead weight. Making Gravis mandatory has also killed the ability to run 10 with a Watch Master in a Rhino so suddenly he's looking a bit sad.

The customisable unit is still there, this new datasheet is in addition to that. Also, the new unit doesn't actually have the Gravis keyword so is not locked out of any of the no-Gravis vehicles like Impulsors and Drop Pods. Also also, the new unit is effectively T6 all the time so long as you pick up the weakest (Phobos) models first.

 Insularum wrote:
The customisable unit is still there, this new datasheet is in addition to that. Also, the new unit doesn't actually have the Gravis keyword so is not locked out of any of the no-Gravis vehicles like Impulsors and Drop Pods. Also also, the new unit is effectively T6 all the time so long as you pick up the weakest (Phobos) models first.

They are only T6 if the unit contains as many Gravis as it does T4 goons, so 2/5 for a small squad and 4/10 for the bigger assuming you keep the Gravis until last. I would be incredibly sceptical of the old datasheet surviving into the next edition considering that the models aren't on sale any longer.

Mozzamanx wrote:
I would be incredibly sceptical of the old datasheet surviving into the next edition considering that the models aren't on sale any longer.

For what it's worth; when the new Raveners were released via a KT box the old 3-model kit remained playable for 40k until the new version was released separately.

So for anyone who has them, make the most of the small deathwatch dudes in the next few weeks.

I know it's a few pages back at this stage but in terms of the rumours of a plastic Warhound people suggested that because GW has moved away from fliers and superheavies in recent years we should be sceptical. But since the original reason GW went down the Apoc and flier route was because they'd run out of new things to release (Though they impressively avoided plastic aspect warriors for a long time) the Space Marine line was more or less complete. Thus the reset with Primaris which led to superheavies and fliers becoming forgotten about because they weren't needed and didn't work well in normal games particularly as the "standard" for table sizes decreases and model counts on the board increases along with bigger and bigger bases. (How many Baneblades has GW sold since 8th?) Selling not just the new units but lots more of the old ones.

As the Primaris line is completed and massive refreshes for most other lines being finished could we see a return to GW pushing Apoc games and with it superheavies and fliers? The pace of releases has been insane the last 12-15 years just getting faster and faster.

I still don't see a plastic Warhound coming but if ever there was a time GW might consider it, it's now at the end of the Primaris line and with little room for any other new units or range refreshes. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Doomrider gets a new model soon. They've even basically run out of room for new Stormcast units in AoS. And even if such a model wouldn't sell a lot, it would create a lot of buzz and be a kind of free marketing. I remember how exciting it was when GW released the Baneblade and I had no interest in getting one.

Warhounds may be more aimed at the Heresy players, where all forces have ready access to Super Heavies, meaning a Warhound showing up isn’t too much of a skew game wise.

Sure, under the new rules they’re tough cookies. But at least you avoid “oh, a Warhound, and I’ve a total of four Lascannons for anti-tank, shall we not and just say we did” type situations, because Heresy has some ridiculous plastic anti-tank kicking around most lists.


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In fact, I’d go a wee bit further. Heresy has a better sliding scale between Tank, And Super Heavy.

Land Raiders of course exist. But you’ve also Spartans, Typhons, Cerberus and other Heavy Tanks. With those being fairly common on the field? Most opponents will load up assuming they might face such a beast. That helps narrow the gap when someone wheels out a Proper Super Heavy.

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
The customisable unit is still there, this new datasheet is in addition to that. Also, the new unit doesn't actually have the Gravis keyword so is not locked out of any of the no-Gravis vehicles like Impulsors and Drop Pods. Also also, the new unit is effectively T6 all the time so long as you pick up the weakest (Phobos) models first.

They are only T6 if the unit contains as many Gravis as it does T4 goons, so 2/5 for a small squad and 4/10 for the bigger assuming you keep the Gravis until last. I would be incredibly sceptical of the old datasheet surviving into the next edition considering that the models aren't on sale any longer.

Majority toughness is old editions, current rules are highest toughness and is why some models like Ogryn Bodyguards have special rules to prevent the rest of the unit becoming super tough.

 Insularum wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
The customisable unit is still there, this new datasheet is in addition to that. Also, the new unit doesn't actually have the Gravis keyword so is not locked out of any of the no-Gravis vehicles like Impulsors and Drop Pods. Also also, the new unit is effectively T6 all the time so long as you pick up the weakest (Phobos) models first.

They are only T6 if the unit contains as many Gravis as it does T4 goons, so 2/5 for a small squad and 4/10 for the bigger assuming you keep the Gravis until last. I would be incredibly sceptical of the old datasheet surviving into the next edition considering that the models aren't on sale any longer.

Majority toughness is old editions, current rules are highest toughness and is why some models like Ogryn Bodyguards have special rules to prevent the rest of the unit becoming super tough.

Unless it's a Bodyguard unit with attached Leader, in which case you use the highest Toughness of the Bodyguard unit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Warhounds may be more aimed at the Heresy players, where all forces have ready access to Super Heavies, meaning a Warhound showing up isn’t too much of a skew game wise.

Sure, under the new rules they’re tough cookies. But at least you avoid “oh, a Warhound, and I’ve a total of four Lascannons for anti-tank, shall we not and just say we did” type situations, because Heresy has some ridiculous plastic anti-tank kicking around most lists.


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In fact, I’d go a wee bit further. Heresy has a better sliding scale between Tank, And Super Heavy.

Land Raiders of course exist. But you’ve also Spartans, Typhons, Cerberus and other Heavy Tanks. With those being fairly common on the field? Most opponents will load up assuming they might face such a beast. That helps narrow the gap when someone wheels out a Proper Super Heavy.

I thought the existence of Knights and Chaos Knights as two of the most popular mainline 40K armies would have weeded out the 4 total Lascannon lists editions ago.

Every time I see character prices for 40k my jaw drops. It's unbelievable to me that people are buying them at that price. The troops are pricey enough at usually around a fiver a model but 35 to 40 quid for a single infantry model is nuts.

 Da Boss wrote:
Every time I see character prices for 40k my jaw drops. It's unbelievable to me that people are buying them at that price. The troops are pricey enough at usually around a fiver a model but 35 to 40 quid for a single infantry model is nuts.

I think it becomes even more visible when they add those pricy characters to army box sets etc, the model count drops dramatically from those boxes.

On the Warhound rumours, I know of someone who used to work as an analyst in the buying department. He’d never tell me what he was working but said the last project he worked on he was really excited about. All he’d tell me is that it was title ‘project titan’.
I was never sure if it was relating to Space Marine 2, but it would make sense in context of these new rumours.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think it becomes even more visible when they add those pricy characters to army box sets etc, the model count drops dramatically from those boxes.

This is true - but at least I can sort of squint and imagine the discount from the box has made the character model not a ludicrous price.

Looking at the Christmas Boxes, I wouldn't mind buying a bunch of Kriegers - as I think the army boxes are still available+2 combat patrols should give you a decent army.

But... it doesn't really. Even that with probable pricing and FLGS discounts that's something like £450~ for just 1355 points of models (and a codex). Okay its not quite Ad Mech tier, but still kind of ugly.