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Interesting, isn’t it. A Fellblade is an expansion for an existing popular army while a Warhound is the effective core of a different, less popular army that potentially might become noticeably more popular if its core kit was cheaper.
It’s an interesting equation to try and balance, particularly with the hidden costs of tooling and design behind it.

There's also potential that the Warhound will get a LOT of talk of people wanting to own one; but which translates into a lot less actual purchasing. Even if its part of the larger game (40K) and can work in both 40K and 30K, it's still going to be a very high ticket item in all respects.

Meanwhile the Fellblade might not be as uniquely hot an item, but could translate into more sales as its more practical to afford and put on the table.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Interesting, isn’t it. A Fellblade is an expansion for an existing popular army while a Warhound is the effective core of a different, less popular army that potentially might become noticeably more popular if its core kit was cheaper.
It’s an interesting equation to try and balance, particularly with the hidden costs of tooling and design behind it.

Huh? Every HH army and all 40k Imperial and Chaos armies can take a Warhound.

Basically any army can take a Warhound as long as its not a 40K Xenos

Mechanicus, Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos, Chaos Demons etc... Granted for some the points limit goes up because it has to be an ally unit and thus you need a bigger game to get a bigger allies allotment of points, but yeah basically unless you're a 40K Xenos army you can probably legally take a Warhound.



It still doesn't get around the fact that if it happened it would still be a very very high priced model; and very large and very high in points costs so you've a good chunk of barriers against it being a popular high-selling item.

 Overread wrote:
Basically any army can take a Warhound as long as its not a 40K Xenos

Mechanicus, Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos, Chaos Demons etc... Granted for some the points limit goes up because it has to be an ally unit and thus you need a bigger game to get a bigger allies allotment of points, but yeah basically unless you're a 40K Xenos army you can probably legally take a Warhound.

It still doesn't get around the fact that if it happened it would still be a very very high priced model; and very large and very high in points costs so you've a good chunk of barriers against it being a popular high-selling item.

This is why I think that if a plastic warhound does happen, it will be marketed much more towards 30k than 40k.

40k has been shying away from super-heavy scale kits in recent years, with many xenos models being removed from the range. It would be odd to push 40k Apocalypse again after dropping Eldar titans, Hierodules, etc.

Meanwhile in heresy imperial titans can be used by any player, and 3.0 recently revised the core rules for titan-size models to encourage them.

Are warhounds really “only” 1,100 points? That’s what I’m getting from the app.

That’s still a huge chunk of your army, but it’s not like they are 3k, so would impossible to fit into a 2k list. Just probably unadvisable.

 Nevelon wrote:
Are warhounds really “only” 1,100 points? That’s what I’m getting from the app.

That’s still a huge chunk of your army, but it’s not like they are 3k, so would impossible to fit into a 2k list. Just probably unadvisable.

They're only 750 for the base BS version in Heresy so that they fit the max 25% requirement for the standard 3K lists.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Are warhounds really “only” 1,100 points? That’s what I’m getting from the app.

That’s still a huge chunk of your army, but it’s not like they are 3k, so would impossible to fit into a 2k list. Just probably unadvisable.

They're only 750 for the base BS version in Heresy so that they fit the max 25% requirement for the standard 3K lists.

Well, yes. But with BS3. I guess 3,5K is the better game to field one.

I mean, I'm running Auxilia, BS 3 is my usual. Even with BS3, it's been a pretty significant presence on the field.

On plastic Warhounds and plastic Fellblades, the one that sells the most is the one that is useable by the most factions in the most game systems and is also a desirable collectors piece, without having to buy extra books to get rules. It's the titan and it's not even close.

If GW wanted to sell a ton more tanks, they would need to make HH tanks matched play legal in 40k, until then they won't come close to the combined interest/excitement/demand a plastic titan would create.

Terminator Battleforce goes up for pre-order next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hlcnosds/sunday-preview-ultramarines-terminators-and-da-red-gobbo/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_19th_October_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

You also get a new Space Marines Terminator transfer sheet, containing 579 transfers. This box will be available only while stocks last.

Have they showed this new transfer sheet?

The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

Just about I think.

Ouch, Crux box, ultramarines, and archon all in the same week.There goes the wallet.

Ouch. This is going to be an expensive week.

I was talking to the staffer at my local GW about how there were a lot of things I was interested, but none had release dates, so I didn’t think I’d be picking up anything on Warhammer Day. He theorized that we might get good news on today’s announcement, as they will be available for pre-order. Turns out he was right.

I’ll probably pass on the TDA box, but covet a lot of the Ultras…

What I like about those Sunday evening previews is that they leave me with a whole week to contact my bank or local organs trafficing gang.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

Its vastly superior to the old days of duel boxes where the unique models could take a year or more (sometimes) to come on on individual sale

Eeeee. That’s my alarm set for next Saturday. Those terminators are just too tempting.

 Overread wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

Its vastly superior to the old days of duel boxes where the unique models could take a year or more (sometimes) to come on on individual sale

Makes me wonder why they even bothered with the big box. Unless they're just throwing it out there just to gauge interest in Drukhari.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

Its vastly superior to the old days of duel boxes where the unique models could take a year or more (sometimes) to come on on individual sale

Makes me wonder why they even bothered with the big box. Unless they're just throwing it out there just to gauge interest in Drukhari.

It is a pretty solid box, especially with the combat patrol being coven focused. Between those 2, you get almost all of the non vehicle kits in the DE range.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Archon's up for a solo release and his battleforce hasn't even sold out yet! Is that a new big box -> solo release pipeline record?

Its vastly superior to the old days of duel boxes where the unique models could take a year or more (sometimes) to come on on individual sale

Makes me wonder why they even bothered with the big box. Unless they're just throwing it out there just to gauge interest in Drukhari.

It is a pretty solid box, especially with the combat patrol being coven focused. Between those 2, you get almost all of the non vehicle kits in the DE range.

And it hasn't sold out. Guess stripping options from an army range isn't a useful way of attracting new players to it.

What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?
They don't have an Assassin-type unit, do they? Mandrakes have that fluff role, but they don't do it on the tabletop.

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?
They don't have an Assassin-type unit, do they? Mandrakes have that fluff role, but they don't do it on the tabletop.

They used to have a Mandrake special character who liked to hide in the shadows of important people so he could take their heads.
I don’t know if he even rates a fluff mention anymore…

That’s what Inubi and Drazhar are for, isn’t it?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s what Inubi and Drazhar are for, isn’t it?

They're meant to be bodyguards. Kheradruakh was more pro-active about chopping heads.

A centrepiece model or two would be nice; obviously Lord Vect, but perhaps a big ol' arena monster or two.

There was the fluff about corrupted Wraithguard guarding Commorrah in the path trilogy. Moving the Tantalus over to plastic. Beastmasters could come back with a whole menagerie. Harlequins and rangers have 2 person bikes, Dark eldar could do the same. Heavy weapon venoms

Plastic Grotesques would have been nice...

I wouldn't might seening a Raider varient that carries a mobile webway gate. Kill it before it can disgorge a bunch of Talos into your ranks.

 JNAProductions wrote:
What new units would be appropriate for Dark Eldar?

Well, we need the Court, Beasts, Grotesques and Urien at minimum.

Archon and Succubus on bikes would be great; Succubus on a Skyboard would be great.

Then of course:

Kheradruahk, aka Decapitator
Sliscus
Baron Sathonyx
Vect and the Dias

A plastic Tantalus would be nice, especially if it's a dual build for Vect and the Dias.

Beyond that, any expansion to Corsairs is also an expansion to Drukhari by proxy, so a generic Prince, plus Yriel (could be done as a dual build), a jump unit and a transport Aircraft (as opposed to hover tank, which Corsairs can already use).

That's a quick wishlist- if I (or GW) actually put thought into anything but Marines, there's a ton more potential.

Oh yeah... Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

 PenitentJake wrote:
Dream of dreams, some terrain kits for the many flavours of Eldar wouldn't suck either.

With every Eldar character standing on a piece of ruined wraithbone, GW surely must have a non-ruined version they can release!