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I would have cut the cost of the Dread, but that's me.

Tek wrote:

Gwar! wrote:But Light Year is a unit of Distance...

You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?…It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs!

You do know that that DOES make sense right?

"Making the run in 'X' parsecs" refers to how close you skim to the Maw, a cluster of black holes.

The Falcon did it faster because they got closer to the Maw and therefore shaved time off the run.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Red Corsair wrote:Walkers with T value is just stupid.... Hey a vehicle with legs, lets just change the whole vehicle paradigm for them because it travels differently....

I'm assuming that you are basing your conclusion on years or extensive play-testing, yes?

puma713 wrote:

'Our topknot technology is light years ahead of yours.'

It was 'Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie'.

"Our chair technology is light years ahead of yours."

It was 'Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie'. "Our chair technology is light years ahead of yours."

Hooray, another MSTie!

Has everyone seen the lord notes, the incubi (metal I'm afraid) but designed to be customisable...

The one thing that has been mentioned a lot by GW, (and that I happen to love too,) about the new DE is that most of the models have interchangeable heads/arms/weapons. - Even the crew on the sides of the new raiders can have head swaps!

It will give the models great versatility and also allow for great customisation. I hope this is continued into other lines. - Even if they end up half as interchangeable as the SM range, then I'll be happy.

Phototoxin wrote:Has everyone seen the lord notes, the incubi (metal I'm afraid) but designed to be customisable...

Just saw the post and the notes concerning the new incubi.

What's new today wrote: "With limited time to produce variant models, the trophy racks and helmets were made as separate pieces that would fit all the bodies, adding some variation and a little poseability".

Anybody find it funny that even though they had 12 years to redesign the whole range, they still say they had limited time?

Scottywan82 wrote:

Tek wrote:

Gwar! wrote:But Light Year is a unit of Distance...

You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?…It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs!

You do know that that DOES make sense right?

"Making the run in 'X' parsecs" refers to how close you skim to the Maw, a cluster of black holes.

The Falcon did it faster because they got closer to the Maw and therefore shaved time off the run.

Sorry, pet peeve.

If you want to take the expanded universe explanation. Though Lucas had said in his commentary for the movie that the comment was made because it was indicating that the Falcon had a superior navigational system, which was able to plot the most optimal route before they jumped to lightspeed...I'm not sure how either explanation indicate a well performing ship. One indicates a daring captain and the other indicates a well designed subsystem. I think Solo was just doing some hand waving there to shut Luke up

I got to read the new Codex last night! It's brilliant!

...

Damn my wallet!

Asdrubael Vect is now officially the most expensive character ever ever!

Where pray tell did such a gift from the gods come?

Was it perchance brought upon multi-faceted winds of change?

Kirasu wrote:Maybe MCs should be above T6.. For all the whining and hissy fits about wraithlord T8 thats STILL only armor 11/12 and most good dreadnoughts nowadays are armor 13. I do realize MCs can fight with 1 wound left but on average it takes 3 penetrating hits to kill a vehicle which *gasp* is the same amount of wounds a wraithlord has! Most weapons you wound it with will ignore its armor, so thats fairly irrelevant

Wow 2 attacks and some weapons that cost a ton... Its not a coincidence that carnifexes suck now that they lost their ability to be T7 and 5W (also they cost too much)

I think the issue with T values above 6 is CC,though. Most units have access to some type of grenades so they at least have some chance against a Walker in CC. However,T7 makes a model completely invulnerable in CC against models with Strength 3 and T8 puts it out of the range of models with S4. You can just assault a MC with T7+ into a lot of units and off 1-2 models per Assault phase until the unit finally breaks and there's absolutely no way the unit in question can harm it.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I got to read the new Codex last night! It's brilliant!

...

Damn my wallet!

Asdrubael Vect is now officially the most expensive character ever ever!

You there! The Inquisition demands you spill your guts, right now!

...we have ways of making you talk.

Whatever1 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Maybe MCs should be above T6.. For all the whining and hissy fits about wraithlord T8 thats STILL only armor 11/12 and most good dreadnoughts nowadays are armor 13. I do realize MCs can fight with 1 wound left but on average it takes 3 penetrating hits to kill a vehicle which *gasp* is the same amount of wounds a wraithlord has! Most weapons you wound it with will ignore its armor, so thats fairly irrelevant

Wow 2 attacks and some weapons that cost a ton... Its not a coincidence that carnifexes suck now that they lost their ability to be T7 and 5W (also they cost too much)

I think the issue with T values above 6 is CC,though. Most units have access to some type of grenades so they at least have some chance against a Walker in CC. However,T7 makes a model completely invulnerable in CC against models with Strength 3 and T8 puts it out of the range of models with S4. You can just assault a MC with T7+ into a lot of units and off 1-2 models per Assault phase until the unit finally breaks and there's absolutely no way the unit in question can harm it.

But is that not as it should be? Monstrous Creatures are meant to be large powerful beasts of war that barely even notice the existence of the lesser mortals they trample underfoot. You should have to destroy them with superior firepower or with a hero armed with some sort of fancy weapon.

Munch Munch! wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Has everyone seen the lord notes, the incubi (metal I'm afraid) but designed to be customisable...

Just saw the post and the notes concerning the new incubi.

What's new today wrote: "With limited time to produce variant models, the trophy racks and helmets were made as separate pieces that would fit all the bodies, adding some variation and a little poseability".

Anybody find it funny that even though they had 12 years to redesign the whole range, they still say they had limited time?

Limited time when they decided not to drop them more like.

GW just wants us to think they're amazing almighty gods, and they didn't neglect a entire army of fans who eventually branched onto other armys...

Xca|iber wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I got to read the new Codex last night! It's brilliant!

...

Damn my wallet!

Asdrubael Vect is now officially the most expensive character ever ever!

You there! The Inquisition demands you spill your guts, right now!

...we have ways of making you talk.

My favourite things from the new book are the Hellions.

I don't know what has been leaked so far, but basically they have the Hit And Run rule... and when they use it they can drag an Independent Character out of the unit with them!

Another scary concept is that of 'Pain Tokens' - the more pain you inflict on your opponents, the more frenzied you become! Units that win combats or destroy enemies with shooting earn these tokens that grant you such bonuses as... oh, say... Feel No Pain anyone?

So, I don't want to leak everything... but does anyone have any big questions burning their souls, oh pathetic denizens of Real Space?

Lets see...raider has too many things added on and looks like its going to break, incubi are metal which i think is a huge mistake since they had so much potential if plastic (I'll stick to my old models), archon looks similier to dark elf dreadlord model (may aswell use my dreadlord).

Oh, and yes, Dark Eldar have full access to Harlequins now.

Ohh! How many Reavers are in a squad and can you field an army of them?

@Arctik

I would love to know as much as you are willing to give. A friend of mine wants to start DE and a heads up would be great. Incubi in particular since I love the models.

raider has too many things added on and looks like its going to break

Fragility has become an issue with some of GW's models the past few years. A lot of newer kits have some really fine detail on them that looks great, but it's difficult not to break it when handling the models. I broke the lure on the River Troll's angler fish head tonight just putting it back in a transport case to take it home from the GW store.

Do you have the codex in front of you? What is your overall impression and does anything stand out as cheesy OP in your opinion?

@H.B.M.C.

Actually yes considering I have been playing since 40k was first released... As soon as the wraith lord gained a toughness value over an armor rating our play group toyed with the difference and the associated point costs, (we also tested the difference if the marine dread had a T value over armor) so when I said your argument was stupid, its because it was, maybe you should try play testing yourself before you make such silly claims.

If walkers gain T values then heck... why not tanks too...while we are at it lets just nerf the game down to chess...

Whatever1 wrote:I think the issue with T values above 6 is CC,though. Most units have access to some type of grenades so they at least have some chance against a Walker in CC. However,T7 makes a model completely invulnerable in CC against models with Strength 3 and T8 puts it out of the range of models with S4. You can just assault a MC with T7+ into a lot of units and off 1-2 models per Assault phase until the unit finally breaks and there's absolutely no way the unit in question can harm it.

And how is that a bad thing? Most wimpy dudes have Transports that outrun every T7+ MC I can think of.

Also, those Grenades only work on 6s, so not so awesome.

LunaHound wrote:Telos Pilot

I know this guy is from power rangers but what was his name?

:edit: LORD ZEDD

Woooooo paaaarty. Haha thank you sidstyler. : )

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Red Corsair wrote:

If walkers gain T values then heck... why not tanks too...while we are at it lets just nerf the game down to chess...

I didn't know Rogue Trader was so similar to chess. Consider my mind blown.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Xca|iber wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I got to read the new Codex last night! It's brilliant!

...

Damn my wallet!

Asdrubael Vect is now officially the most expensive character ever ever!

You there! The Inquisition demands you spill your guts, right now!

...we have ways of making you talk.

My favourite things from the new book are the Hellions.

I don't know what has been leaked so far, but basically they have the Hit And Run rule... and when they use it they can drag an Independent Character out of the unit with them!

Another scary concept is that of 'Pain Tokens' - the more pain you inflict on your opponents, the more frenzied you become! Units that win combats or destroy enemies with shooting earn these tokens that grant you such bonuses as... oh, say... Feel No Pain anyone?

So, I don't want to leak everything... but does anyone have any big questions burning their souls, oh pathetic denizens of Real Space?

Pain tokens. Do you lose the benefit if the unit carry them is destroyed? Other posters have said Hemiculii(sp) give a free paintoken to a unit they join, does that stack with army wide tokens or is that bonus token only applied to the unit he's with? (i.e. I put a hemculii with a unit of warrirors, giving them a pain token, I gain another token during the game. Does this mean my army now has FnP and furiuous assault, or just feel no pain?).

Are they any characters that change FOC rules for certain units?

I want to know the points cost of a warrior. Me and some friends are debating how much they are going to cost (and I want desperately to win).

I'll be able to give more specific information (FOC stuff, etc) when I sneak another look tomorrow - for now I'm relying on my shaky memory to dredge up information that I was honestly a bit too drunk to appreciate with anything but excitement and wonder.

I reefuse to answer questions regarding whether or not the army is 'OP'. The codex is written by Phil Kelly so go figure.

There's a S7 re-roll wound weapon that sounded nastily cool... the concept was that the first charge sucked the heat out of the area, followed by a percussive charge that shatters the presumably frozen target.

There are definitely two varieties of Talos - and the standard Talos is pretty much the same as in the old book. I can't quite recall points.

I'll have to get back to you on exactly how Pain Tokens work. I'm pretty sure only the unit that collects the tokens are affected, but yes, it starts with Feel No Pain. I'll have to verify the army-wide buffs from subsequent tokens.

Feel free to keep posting questions and I'll answer what I can.

can the Archon be given wargear options like taking a reaver jetbike? And if so are there any White-Scar-esque bonus's like making RJB's troops and others elites?

What weapons are the hellions packing? arhhh!! too many questions!

Munch Munch! wrote:

What's new today wrote: "With limited time to produce variant models, the trophy racks and helmets were made as separate pieces that would fit all the bodies, adding some variation and a little poseability".

Anybody find it funny that even though they had 12 years to redesign the whole range, they still say they had limited time?

Yeah, are they implying they've just been procrastinating the update?

Anyways, was anyone else hoping they'd make the HQs (i.e. the Archon) a super multi-part plastic kit a la Space Marine Commander? Maybe that's just the SM love...