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I'm both orderly and rational. I value control, information, and order. I love structure and hierarchy, and will actively use whatever power or knowledge I have to maintain it. At best, I am lawful and insightful; at worst, I am bureaucratic and tyrannical.
I'm both orderly and rational. I value control, information, and order. I love structure and hierarchy, and will actively use whatever power or knowledge I have to maintain it. At best, I am lawful and insightful; at worst, I am bureaucratic and tyrannical.
Protection? We dont use pants only to cover genitals, i think it is more attained with protection against the cold, or enviromental rarshness...
Anyway, im surprised Agamemnon dont pointed it... But about it, orkz are killing machines created to resist head loss, it is pretty easy to consider that they dont need cloths so much.
Oh, and until now, orx are just a regular living specie like any other, they can have reproduction habits based on copulation, why not?
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
I'm both orderly and rational. I value control, information, and order. I love structure and hierarchy, and will actively use whatever power or knowledge I have to maintain it. At best, I am lawful and insightful; at worst, I am bureaucratic and tyrannical.
I am waiting for somebody at Mantic to un-do that thing about not removing casualties from units. It's as bad a rule as the second edition 40K close combat resolution. Feh! By the way, the Mantic Orx/Orcs aren't any worse than the two-piece plastic Orcs/Orks that GW used to put out.
warpcrafter wrote:I am waiting for somebody at Mantic to un-do that thing about not removing casualties from units. It's as bad a rule as the second edition 40K close combat resolution.
Why?
It speeds up the game massively. You're not spending half the game messing about taking models off, reforming or anything else. It also makes it dead easy to set up and pack away after games.
It's one of the best things about the game, and it is similar to the blast markers system used in Epic as an abstract way of indicating individual casualties in a mass-battle game. Kings of War also has a lot more in common with Warmaster than it does with Warhammer.
2nd edition 40kmellee was a mess that slowed down the game (yes, I was playing back then, and only the vehicle rules beat it in terms of sheer pointless complexity).
If you want it to be removed to be "more like warhammer" I wouldn't hold your breath. Most of us who are actually playing the game as opposed to ranting on forums about it, like it and want it to stay that way.
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2nd edition 40kmellee was a mess that slowed down the game (yes, I was playing back then, and only the vehicle rules beat it in terms of sheer pointless complexity).
Although at the risk of going OT, it depends how you define 'pointless' Personally, I thought the odd turret flying off to land on some troops, or the vehicle getting stuck on course until it careened into a wall was rather cool, and worth an extra roll or twol
There was also the small matter of having to remember that the armour penetration of a reaper autocannon was 2d8 + 3d4 + 2d12 + 5 or whatever.. that was the main thing I was referring to.
Has anyone else gotten hold of the Kings of War 2.0 rulebook? I was fortuneate to get one today in the mail.. and the booklet itself looks really nice. Color pictures throughout.
Small book, about the size of the old Traveller RPG black books, if not smaller. Certainly thinner..
If anyone has questions about it, I am reading it off and on tonight, and could answer questions if anyone has em..
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Order of St Ursula (Sisters of Battle): W-2, L-1, T-1
Get of Freki (Space Wolves): W-3, L-1, T-1
Hive Fleet Portentosa (Nids/Stealers): W-6, L-4, T-0
Omega Marines (vanilla Space Marine): W-1, L-6, T-2
Waagh Magshak (Orks): W-4, L-0, T-1
A.V.P.D.W.: W-0, L-2, T-0
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I dont pretty like that rule in a sci-game before, bu now i see how it can work well in massed battles...
But anyway, tks for making me lost 2:45 minutes of my life squig ¬¬
And, someone can explain me what is Doctor Who? I dont know it, but it sounds very cool...
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
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"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
warpcrafter wrote:I am waiting for somebody at Mantic to un-do that thing about not removing casualties from units. It's as bad a rule as the second edition 40K close combat resolution. Feh! By the way, the Mantic Orx/Orcs aren't any worse than the two-piece plastic Orcs/Orks that GW used to put out.
I'll agree with that. The 2nd Edition boxed set Orks were that figure line's low point. Along with the separate-arm Bob Olley sculpts that were from the same era.
porkuslime wrote:Has anyone else gotten hold of the Kings of War 2.0 rulebook? I was fortuneate to get one today in the mail.. and the booklet itself looks really nice. Color pictures throughout.
Small book, about the size of the old Traveller RPG black books, if not smaller. Certainly thinner..
If anyone has questions about it, I am reading it off and on tonight, and could answer questions if anyone has em..
Hey porkuslime. Are you familiar with the "Fishmen" rumours/jokes? Turn to page 33 and read the short passage on the background of the Kingdoms of Men. More precisely, the last sentence, and: "...denizens of deep..." What could that mean?
As for the pants/trousers debate... I think that it is more realistic for an Orc to wear such garments, as befits their more barbaric nature.
It's a really cool rulebook, all-round. I await in high anticipation for Mantic's Goblins and "Bogie" models!
Though I don´t like the design of the Orks, I also do not like the design of the GW Orks (prefer the noble savages/highly evolved orks from Chronopia/Confrontation) I can only shake my head about the vitriol sprinkled all over the place.
Some people here really are behaving like spoiled brats and if that is their real-life character then I would make sure never to be seen together with them.
If you don´t like it: Don´t buy it!
The minis are not to your taste, that´s OK with me.
But calling Mantic cheaters and worse for it is so childish that it reminds me of the usual bickering of politicians. And THAT is really nothing to be proud of.
For heavens sake, this is still a hobby and every single person can do/like/etc. or not what he wants. I have no use for a taste-Gestapo that tells me that a company reusing sculpts is a cheater or worse.
My suggestion: Take a long walk in thet funny thing called woods/nature before posting so much nonsense on just 2-3 pages....
Really!
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Tastes and opinions differ of course, but if so many people agree on something, Mantic should listen. Remember, they started with a god-awful Elf range that consequently didn't sell well. If they now try to sell the same sprues with some additions as SciFi, they seriously risk their repution and noone will bother with their 40k alternative. Don't try to fool the customer when they are not yet hooked. Saving some money in the creative/design department can be very expensive in the long run.
Duncan_Idaho wrote:For heavens sake, this is still a hobby and every single person can do/like/etc. or not what he wants. I have no use for a taste-Gestapo that tells me that a company reusing sculpts is a cheater or worse.
Wow, "Gestapo" is something of an excalation. It seems you may have magnified and slightly misinterpreted the general bent of sentiment on this thread. I don't think the general feeling is that mantic is a "cheater or worse" for reusing sculpts.
Rather, a more accurate analysis is that many folks are unimpressed with the reuse. The "cheater or worse" comes from Mantic selling them as a "new" product in a blind pre-sale before the public could see that they were a reuse which was the case for a few weeks before the spure pics came during and shortly after the recent "Warpath weekend". It's a fine line, but the difference is quite clear in my mind.
-Reuse and informing the customer (or at least providing pics) = Cost saving, possible accusations of laziness.
-Reuse and not informing the customer = Shady and possible accusations of underhandedness.
If you have bought blind, and now want to cancel your order because the orx are half-fantasy, then go and do that, contact mantic, they will give you your refund and take stock of your "cancelled because I'm unsatisfied with the orx" message.
The endless pages and pages and paragraphs and paragraphs of angst and claims of "mantic the cheating betrayer of gamers engaging in fraud" are unnecessary, and probably mainly coming from large fans of GW making an attempt to discredit the company because they don't want to see a competitive threat to their company of choice to emerge.
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Oh there's truckloads of hyperbole on both sides of the argument. Speaking for myself, I'd love them to do well and have similar quality-but-cheaper alternatives to GW products.
I think Mantic's undead (overall) are excellent, while others are sub-par.
Basically, I've been in these games for long enough to see a long, long line of "challengers" rise and fall. I'd like to see them do a bit better than many in the past have.
But just as I won't shy away from criticising GWor giving them credit where I feel it's due, on business practices, model quality, or anything else - I'll treat Mantic (or PP, whoever) exactly the same.
Overly-empassioned defence of something usually smells like Fanboy. I'll also be honest - having "Mantic Fanatic" in your sig colours your posts, and clearly gives others a perception that you feel they can do no wrong.
... dang."