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Praxiss wrote:Also, has it been CONFIRMED that Ward is doing the codex? Again, the guy at my local GW didn't know but he might just be clue-less.

James Swallow stated that Ward was working on the new Necron fluff at the start of March, at an official Black Library event.

Oh......arse.

Concise and definitely reflective of the community feeling on that matter

I would pray for the fluff to survive without being molested too much, but since we are leaving our book in the hands of a fluff-molester...

I think I may have become an atheist :(

I've been resigned to cruddy fluff regardless of who gets the book (since I knew my luck is too weak for Kelly to get it), so i think i'm almost ready to open the book (when it finally drops) without needing to have a shredder bumping my knee. Small steps...

Ascalam wrote:Concise and definitely reflective of the community feeling on that matter

I would pray for the fluff to survive without being molested too much, but since we are leaving our book in the hands of a fluff-molester...

I think I may have become an atheist :(

I've been resigned to cruddy fluff regardless of who gets the book (since I knew my luck is too weak for Kelly to get it), so i think i'm almost ready to open the book (when it finally drops) without needing to have a shredder bumping my knee. Small steps...

I'm nowhere near that calm about it... I've warned my friends to get ready for me selling my army, 'cos I play for the fluff, and Ward makes me want to die a little bit every time I think about his garbag- I mean fluff.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

I'm nowhere near that calm about it... I've warned my friends to get ready for me selling my army, 'cos I play for the fluff, and Ward makes me want to die a little bit every time I think about his garbag- I mean fluff.

So come up with your own? Fluff is an important part of why I play too, but I write my own fluff for my armies based on what happens on the tabletop. Besides, while Ward's fluff isn't very good, his armies do play in a way that reflects the fluff fairly well.

The fluff is the important part for me too. There are very few "Competitive" Necron players that don't care about the fluff that i've met.

I've resigned my self to the reality that it will hurt, but i have vowed to read it cover to cover before posting my army lot at the Swap Shop.

Past that last page... no promises.

It was the same way when Cruddace butchered my Nids. They are still a viable army (and probably the Necrons will be too) but they weren't MY nids anymore, and I didn't like the new playstyle.

Brother SRM wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

I'm nowhere near that calm about it... I've warned my friends to get ready for me selling my army, 'cos I play for the fluff, and Ward makes me want to die a little bit every time I think about his garbag- I mean fluff.

So come up with your own? Fluff is an important part of why I play too, but I write my own fluff for my armies based on what happens on the tabletop. Besides, while Ward's fluff isn't very good, his armies do play in a way that reflects the fluff fairly well.

I do come up with my own, but I can't ignore the codex if it's given the Ward treatment. Yes, his armies follow his fluff, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. I had no idea until today when playing against my friend that Space Marines are immune to sweeping advance, which is all the more aggravating as SA cripples my Necrons. I lost 20 warriors to 1 SA on Saturday... And Marines are just immune...

For no readily apparent reason, except that they're marines, but lets not open that can of worms, or we'll have the argument over WBB and sweeping advance YET AGAIN...

It is incredibly annoying though. I agree fully!

Scarey Nerd wrote:
I do come up with my own, but I can't ignore the codex if it's given the Ward treatment. Yes, his armies follow his fluff, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. I had no idea until today when playing against my friend that Space Marines are immune to sweeping advance, which is all the more aggravating as SA cripples my Necrons. I lost 20 warriors to 1 SA on Saturday... And Marines are just immune...

They are immune in much the same way Fearless units are. They either break off or are forced to take Fearless saves.

They cannot be swept, and become fearless for the rest of that combat instead of being destroyed outright if caught, which is in many ways a bonus, not a penalty, when your armour is 3+ or better...

I would rather just wipe them out than have them proceed to save them all and beat on me again.

Fearless units don't have the option of breaking off, but automatically go to the no retreat wounds. Marines have a decent chance of breaking off, autorallying, boltering you to death and then recharging the remnants, with no fluff justification for it except that 'they're marines'

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Concise and definitely reflective of the community feeling on that matter

I would pray for the fluff to survive without being molested too much, but since we are leaving our book in the hands of a fluff-molester...

I think I may have become an atheist :(

I've been resigned to cruddy fluff regardless of who gets the book (since I knew my luck is too weak for Kelly to get it), so i think i'm almost ready to open the book (when it finally drops) without needing to have a shredder bumping my knee. Small steps...

I'm nowhere near that calm about it... I've warned my friends to get ready for me selling my army, 'cos I play for the fluff, and Ward makes me want to die a little bit every time I think about his garbag- I mean fluff.

But at least you'll be able to take Storm Ravens and Sanguinary Guard in your Necron army.

Surely that's worth something.

*Blood Angel / Necron Fist Bump*


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Ascalam wrote:
They cannot be swept, and become fearless for the rest of that combat instead of being destroyed outright if caught, which is in many ways a bonus, not a penalty, when your armour is 3+ or better...

I would rather just wipe them out than have them proceed to save them all and beat on me again.

Fearless units don't have the option of breaking off, but automatically go to the no retreat wounds. Marines have a decent chance of breaking off, autorallying, boltering you to death and then recharging the remnants, with no fluff justification for it except that 'they're marines'

and Marines sell to Timmy Tenyearold.

and most of the WAACoff Tournament kiddies.

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But at least you'll be able to take Storm Ravens and Sanguinary Guard in your Necron army.

Surely that's worth something.

*Blood Angel / Necron Fist Bump*'


Heresy!! Purge the... waaiiiiiit a minute...Now i'm even thinking like a Marine (well, like they're SUPPOSED to be )

That said, what I wouldn't give for Landraiders, Stormravens and so on to hide my poor warriors in

Ascalam wrote:That said, what I wouldn't give for Landraiders, Stormravens and so on to hide my poor warriors in

Your dignity?

Gave that up years ago. My main army is Orks

It was in a package deal with my sanity

Ascalam wrote:Gave that up years ago. My main army is Orks

It was in a package deal with my sanity

Well played sir!

*bows*

That said, I would love to see some kind of fast skimmer transport for the crons (maybe like the Necromongers troop transports from 'the chronicles of riddick' movie.

Walking everything everywhere gets a bit old (teleporting is cool, but still leaves everything very pieplateable..).

take a crystal from the monolith, strap it to a bike, boom. there ya go.

My orks already looted the crystal out of one of my liths to power a looted (mekbuilt) dragster

If Matt Ward is writing, we at least know it will be a strong codex. While I may disagree with his fluff, his rules for the armies kick serious tail-feathers. Hopefully Necrons will be as powerful and terrifying as there original fluff made them out to be.

AdeptSister wrote:If Matt Ward is writing, we at least know it will be a strong codex. While I may disagree with his fluff, his rules for the armies kick serious tail-feathers. Hopefully Necrons will be as powerful and terrifying as there original fluff made them out to be.

You've got that right! It will at least be nice to win again

Expect to see fluff of pariahs dashing across the field, or other careless verbs, that countless threads will bemoan.

I do not like the idea of the We'll be back rule going away. That would rather piss me off if that would happen. Necrons how they work would be ruined if that happened.

Also I am not so sure about the psychic powers thing because Necrons to what I believe are incapable of psychic powers because they are mindless drones who only know to kill. The Chaos God who made them that way wants them to just be like that.

Necrons do not think. They have no personalities, Have no human or Sentient being thoughts, Cannot be reasoned with, Have no emotions other than Hatred.
They are pretty much a Dalek but with no ability to think or a personality.

I disagree. The Lords and high level Necrons have pretty much their memories, think and dreams all the more to make that hatred fueled and worse as they were a jealous race to begin with, the fluff states though that the lower underlings pretty much no longer have the capacity to think, whatever may be left of them is too far gone to do anything but follow programs and their tomb lord's commands.

So, it was also in Xenology (spoiler alert) That you discover just how twisted some Necron Lords are, and the one disquised itself and spoke to humans to trick them.

i dont think it will be psychic powers.

it will probably be more like how tomb kings use magic.

instead the lords will have abilities that require a LD test to pass and will have an effect. but wont be a psychic ability.

Field Gen wrote:The Chaos God who made them that way wants them to just be like that.

The what?

Necrons predate the Chaos gods (as we know them at least) by a couple million years. The warp was all calm when they were originally born to die under the Nightbringer's star.

As for the whole mindless argument. There's really not much in the 2002 codex that states all Necrons are mindless. The flayed one entry even mentions why they try to wear the flesh of their foes (implying they have some sort of residual memory/personality).

And it's been said every time that the possibility of psychic powers has come up that they are NOT psychic powers but instead technology that will utilize the same rule set as psychic powers.

Field Gen wrote:The Chaos God who made them that way wants them to just be like that.

Wut.

Field Gen wrote:Necrons do not think. They have no personalities, Have no human or Sentient being thoughts, Cannot be reasoned with, Have no emotions other than Hatred.
They are pretty much a Dalek but with no ability to think or a personality.

A little less then 1/4th of the Space Marine Battles Book, "Fall of Damnos" disagrees with you, as its written from the necron side of the conflict. The main Necron characters have some very human traits and mannerisms (most were insane on some level though). Granted, the necron grunts were souless automatons, but the guiding forces behind them had plenty of personality and unique characteristics. I personally dig this adjustment to the fluff, as it gives the army some character.

Also the last part of Xenology, as shasolenzabi said, has a talking Necron who was the main driving force behind that whole book when you think about it.

I think the days of Necrons being completely souless and emotionless are done. At least for the characters.

main Necron characters have some very human traits...most were insane on some level though

Traits don't get any more human than that.

Let the rage inside the Machine begin!

Ooh looks like I need to read "The Fall of Damnos". Necron Lords with personality is great, the drones however should remain mindless. But as you move up the ranks guys like Immortals and Destroyers should have some personality shreds.

I also liked DoW Dark Crusade's take on the Pariah: fully sentient and like a envoy/ambassdor for the Necrons. Sorta makes sense since they are former humans and are kinda in between Necron and Human.

Can't wait for the new codex - I love Necron fluff, and it appears that games will be much smoother (no complex We'll Be Back! issues, etc.). I am, however, a bit concerned as to the new models that may appear - I've spent loads on metal models in the last couple of months, and if they're gonna go down the drain and bring out new ones before I've even completed a whole squad I'm gonna tear my hair out unless the new models are awesome...