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**gorgon**

Therion wrote:
Take, for example, the DreadKnight, which would be concievable if they found the STC for it on a recently conquered world, but found they could only produce them in small numbers, hence why it's assigned to the GKs.

I don't understand how you can see the Dreadknight as such a big deal. We get pretty wacky background material absolutely all the time from the Black Library. Regarding the C'tan, the Mechanicum book tells us that Emperor battled the C'tan 'Void Dragon' back in the middle ages on Earth with nothing else than a horse and a plain sword and chain armour and defeated the 'Dragon' and banished it to Mars much later so that it's dreams can give the people there ideas for wonderful technologies that later benefit mankind. Atleast something to that direction if I remember correctly. Pretty far out stuff, right? However, If Matt Ward didn't write the fluff, noone complains. The truth is that the 40K background is always expanding and changing and the universe is big enough even for all of the hobbyists to add their own bits and pieces into it (their own SM chapters, Eldar Craftworlds etc.) and it's certainly massive enough to be able to deal with small changes to C'tan or Grey Knights or whatever. The basic premise for the background is very simple and that hasn't really changed in any meaningful way.

IIRC, the character who had that vision in Mechanicum thought it might be metaphorical. But yeah, I agree with your overall point. I hate to point and scream "NEWB," but to complain about fluff and even codex balance at this particular point in the game's existence...well, it just says someone hasn't been paying attention for very long.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Therion wrote:I don't understand how you can see the Dreadknight as such a big deal. We get pretty wacky background material absolutely all the time from the Black Library. Regarding the C'tan, the Mechanicum book tells us that Emperor battled the C'tan 'Void Dragon' back in the middle ages on Earth with nothing else than a horse and a plain sword and chain armour and defeated the 'Dragon' and banished it to Mars much later so that it's dreams can give the people there ideas for wonderful technologies that later benefit mankind. Atleast something to that direction if I remember correctly. Pretty far out stuff, right? However, If Matt Ward didn't write the fluff, noone complains. The truth is that the 40K background is always expanding and changing and the universe is big enough even for all of the hobbyists to add their own bits and pieces into it (their own SM chapters, Eldar Craftworlds etc.) and it's certainly massive enough to be able to deal with small changes to C'tan or Grey Knights or whatever. The basic premise for the background is very simple and that hasn't really changed in any meaningful way.

This is the first time I'm hearing of that (before it was "Emperor kicked C'tan ass"). Given it's the Emperor there is some acceptability, but that's still kinda out there. However you kinda took my example out of context. Doesn't matter if it was Ward or Kelly who wrote it, but a retcon is still a retcon. In my example, it would have made sense if they found the STC on some barren planet and was given to the GKs for use against Daemons, which would be an advancement in plot. Small increment, but something, and it doesnt destroy previously established fluff of the Knights. Going back and rewriting it as if they had it the entire time is just bad. Part of having a Mythology is to keep to the myth and not re-writing it at a moment's notice to accomodate some new gimmick.

And the Black Library isnt exactly free of weirdness, or is the Multilazor guy from somewhere else?

**Ascalam**

I've not read Mechanicum yet, and if that's the standard of writing in it I doubt i will.

Shrug.

Give me strength to endure that which cannot be changed.. etc..etc

**Necros**

So wait.. the emperor was around in like 1000 AD, but he lived till the year 30,000ish?

**Ascalam**

apparently he was soul engineered by a bunch of illiterate shamans, but born to entirely human parents in anatolia (now turkey) i think?

Messianic much

*edited at Cthullu's mental request ;0)*

**Scarey Nerd**

Ascalam wrote:Give me strength to endure that which can be easily changed at a moments notice if will sell more spehss mahreens.. etc..etc

Fixed that for ya.

**Ascalam**

Says the same as i meant (what I cannot change ;0) )

I expect them to change it arbritrarily in the Imperium's favor on a regular basis

Fethin' Marines

**VoidAngel**

Oh - I see, I am "taking away" something that happened in a novel I haven't read.

o.O

**abbazabba1920**

Kroothawk wrote: Still, his Tyranid Codex was inspiring for more than a year of conversion work. Thanks for that.

LOL, if ANYONE wants to play tyranids at all (at least with any degree of options), they better strap on their conversion/proxying shoes. I hope they still allow those 'nid conversions in tournament after 'nids get their second wave in 6th/7th ed.

**Brother SRM**

abbazabba1920 wrote: LOL, if ANYONE wants to play tyranids at all (at least with any degree of options), they better strap on their conversion/proxying shoes. I hope they still allow those 'nid conversions in tournament after 'nids get their second wave in 6th/7th ed.

There's no reason they wouldn't allow the conversions in tournaments. Tournaments always allow conversions as long as they're obvious. I was just at a tournament today and I got to use my scout car as a Chimera, like I intended.

**Kroothawk**

Brother SRM wrote:There's no reason they wouldn't allow the conversions in tournaments.

They might have second thoughts about using the Chapterhouse Tervigon conversion kit on GW tournaments

**Brother SRM**

Kroothawk wrote:
They might have second thoughts about using the Chapterhouse Tervigon conversion kit on GW tournaments

Ha! Good one!

**Praxiss**

This may have already been mentioned but apaprently the fluff mentioned in the new "Fall of Damnos" book is a strong hint of thigns to come in the new codex.

I mentioned this to the guy at my local GW and he flushed red and said he can neither confirm nor deny the rumour. Which i think means a yes but he's not allowed to tell me.

**Scarey Nerd**

With the release of the Tau FAQ, this could mean that they're not codexing them, and hence it's either Necrons or Sisters next

...I hope...

**kenzosan**

necrons need it more than anyone. sisters just need one cuz half their army list is now in grey knights.

**AlexHolker**

kenzosan wrote:necrons need it more than anyone. sisters just need one cuz half their army list is now in grey knights.

Actually, we need one because GW charges 50 pounds per squad for 13 year old metal models. The half army list that the Grey Knights stole is the underpowered half we never asked for in the first place.

If the Necrons got a codex and we got plastics, I think both armies would have what they needed to become viable.

**kenzosan**

AlexHolker wrote:
kenzosan wrote:necrons need it more than anyone. sisters just need one cuz half their army list is now in grey knights.

Actually, we need one because GW charges 50 pounds per squad for 13 year old metal models. The half army list that the Grey Knights stole is the underpowered half we never asked for in the first place.

If the Necrons got a codex and we got plastics, I think both armies would have what they needed to become viable.

i agree completely, i dont feel sisters need a codex, just plastic. thats the only thing stoping me from starting a sisters army.

edit: ok i feel they need a codex, just not as much as necrons. hell i felt that nids got lucky as hell to get a new one, they weren't broken but they got fixed.

**Praxiss**

Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

**Scarey Nerd**

kenzosan wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
kenzosan wrote:necrons need it more than anyone. sisters just need one cuz half their army list is now in grey knights.

Actually, we need one because GW charges 50 pounds per squad for 13 year old metal models. The half army list that the Grey Knights stole is the underpowered half we never asked for in the first place.

If the Necrons got a codex and we got plastics, I think both armies would have what they needed to become viable.

i agree completely, i dont feel sisters need a codex, just plastic. thats the only thing stoping me from starting a sisters army.

Same here, all I really want are plastic models, although one of those little timeline things that are in all the other books would be really useful for me, 'cos I'm a fluff-lover.

Praxiss wrote:Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

Matt Ward will be fired?! *Hopeful face*

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

Matt Ward will be fired?! *Hopeful face*

one can hope.... preferably before crons and BA start bromancing some more in HIS cron codex

**agnosto**

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

Matt Ward will be fired?! *Hopeful face*

Naw, it'll probably be the move to resin from metal...

**Scarey Nerd**

agnosto wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

Matt Ward will be fired?! *Hopeful face*

Naw, it'll probably be the move to resin from metal...

Most likely, though I wouldn't call that "amazing"... I tried constructing a resin Tomb Stalker on Saturday, and it's almost as frustrating as metal. Although that might just have been the sheer multitude of parts and the fact that they were miniscule.

**agnosto**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Most likely, though I wouldn't call that "amazing"... I tried constructing a resin Tomb Stalker on Saturday, and it's almost as frustrating as metal. Although that might just have been the sheer multitude of parts and the fact that they were miniscule.

Amazing to GW is not necessarily amazing to the rest of us. I still need another Ogre Scraplauncher and that thing's bad enough in metal without having to deal with crappy mold and warped resin issues.

**Praxiss**

But resin blows! Wouldn't plastic be cheaper anyway? I honestly have no idea.

**Scarey Nerd**

agnosto wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
Most likely, though I wouldn't call that "amazing"... I tried constructing a resin Tomb Stalker on Saturday, and it's almost as frustrating as metal. Although that might just have been the sheer multitude of parts and the fact that they were miniscule.

Amazing to GW is not necessarily amazing to the rest of us. I still need another Ogre Scraplauncher and that thing's bad enough in metal without having to deal with crappy mold and warped resin issues.

Games Workshop dictionary:
Amazing (adj): 1. A description that implies Spehss Mahreens are going to be made to look even more awesumz.
2. Matt Ward's writing. (Used particularly by his editing committees).
3. Describing any turn of events in which GW make money whilst annoying a large fanbase of their game. Also known to be used by George Lucas in reference to his film series.

**Praxiss**

Also, has it been CONFIRMED that Ward is doing the codex? Again, the guy at my local GW didn't know but he might just be clue-less.

**agnosto**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
agnosto wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:
Most likely, though I wouldn't call that "amazing"... I tried constructing a resin Tomb Stalker on Saturday, and it's almost as frustrating as metal. Although that might just have been the sheer multitude of parts and the fact that they were miniscule.

Amazing to GW is not necessarily amazing to the rest of us. I still need another Ogre Scraplauncher and that thing's bad enough in metal without having to deal with crappy mold and warped resin issues.

Games Workshop dictionary:
Amazing (adj): 1. A description that implies Spehss Mahreens are going to be made to look even more awesumz.
2. Matt Ward's writing. (Used particularly by his editing committees).
3. Describing any turn of events in which GW make money whilst annoying a large fanbase of their game. Also known to be used by George Lucas in reference to his film series.

Nice. I needed a chuckle, thanks.

**Kurgash**

No it's pretty much confirmed. When I said back in August Ward was writing it, Harry on warseer asked me any other bits of info I knew and whatnot. If a well known rumor source suddenly asks you about things you know after dropping a rumor, you know it has to be true.

Also wasn't there a thing from the Black Library guys saying they can't do anymore Necron books until they see how Matt Ward take the fluff in a direction?

**kenzosan**

resin = fun with a saw

god, and i want an eldar apocalypse army too

**Praxiss**

Kurgash wrote:No it's pretty much confirmed. When I said back in August Ward was writing it, Harry on warseer asked me any other bits of info I knew and whatnot. If a well known rumor source suddenly asks you about things you know after dropping a rumor, you know it has to be true.

Also wasn't there a thing from the Black Library guys saying they can't do anymore Necron books until they see how Matt Ward take the fluff in a direction?

Sounds fair to me. The GW guy said he woudl ask around for me so i guess we'll find out what the "official" GW line is. I'll assume the Necron fluff is boned until further notice.

To be fair, if the codex works i can always re-write the fluff in my head anyway.