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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Garadon is rocking a Power Brass Knuckles Fist and that's something that just tickles me. How hard you think it would be to chop it off for a different model?

It is almost assuredly its own bit, so I would think it would require minimal skill. I definitely see them more as the hammer pistons like what make up the Big O's arms. Hence the reason for his x3 Str 3D fist.

He seems like he might be easy enough to convert into a regular Gravis Captain. Just put a Power Sword hand on the left arm, attach a bolt pistol or something to the Power Fist, and remove the Grav Gun.

His Grav Gun should have been a Combi-Grav, to be honest. It would have been much more fitting.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Why does the Salamanders video say "THINGS ARE HOTTING UP!"

Hotting? Things are HOTTING up? Really?

That’s a idiom/saying/whatever you call it.

Do you guys not call it Heating?

Things are heating up.

We say both of course! To be as confounding as possible! https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/384556/hotting-up-vs-heating-up
I guess that's what happens when your language is a bastardised version of around 10 others and slang is thrown in too.

Well then. Learned something new.

Onto the models, I like the both to a degree. Salamander, little wrong with, good all around.

Chip Hazard? I like him, but there are things I don't. Compared to the Iron Hand, whose Heavy Bolter looks like thought was putting into mounting it, Chip's Grav-gun looks glued on like an afterthought. Also on the Grav-gun and comparisons with the Iron Hand, the Heavy Bolter is a Relic that does 2D per shot and synergizes with pretty much everything the Iron Hands are shown to do. The Grav-gun is not a Relic, nor is it Master Crafted, its a plain old Grav-Gun. It doesnt synergize with the Imperial Fist Chapter Tactic and we wont know til next month if it does anything with their Special Doctrine. It gets +1 Damage from his Siege Captain rule, so 1d3+1 vs 3+ saves, I guess that is something.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not coming complaining about anything, I have no dog in the fight and I would never have bought the model in any guise.

But it isn't a hard concept to follow is it? Rather than reinevent an existing model, like they did with Calgar, they essentially resculpted them but gave them an arbitrary alternative name. So we don't have Vulkan and Lysander we have not Vulkan and not Lysander.


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And completely different equipment.

Malibu Stacey would have got the new hat regardles.

He’Stan’s use of three of the relics of Vulkan is kind of central to him. You’d know that if you did have any dog at all in the fight, or even knew the rudiments of the kinds of dogs involved in the fight. It’s not Vulkan He’Stan. No Salamanders player would have looked at it and thought that it is. Only people on the outside, commenting from ignorance, would have thought that might be He’Stan.

stinkyjunk wrote:
Looks like this solves 2 rumor engines. The flaming thing on the salamander's back was from last Dec and the signum array was around page 30 of the rumor engine thread hear on dakka. Can't believe this guy has been around for 9 months...what else is just waiting around in storage at GW?!?

Make that 3 solves...the flamer gun tip from back in January.

Likely been there somewhat longer than 9 months. GW doesn't operate on the pants with short schedules. Lead times are long. Even if all aren't decade long like jetbikes were it's still year or two progress.

That Imperial fist character is only slightly better then that ultra marine standard FW released last year

Holy crap even the base detracts from the guy.

The fact that his power fist needs knuckle dusters and a vacuum cleaner hose is pretty hilarious too. I guess the concept of a power fist wasn't quite over the top enough It probably didn't help making the opposing hand as small as they could and with nothing to do. He's a primaris version of this guy.



With his jaw line that dude could swallow that hand in its armor.

 Red Corsair wrote:
That Imperial fist character is only slightly better then that ultra marine standard FW released last year

Holy crap even the base detracts from the guy.

The fact that his power fist needs knuckle dusters and a vacuum cleaner hose is pretty hilarious too. I guess the concept of a power fist wasn't quite over the top enough It probably didn't help making the opposing hand as small as they could and with nothing to do. He's a primaris version of this guy.

The knuckle duster seems to be what makes it a Sx3 power fist.

I've got to say, I love the Imperial Fist guy. The artwork especially, I love the bulkier, dumpier look of the Gravis armor with all his extra chunk. It makes Gravis armor seem like something that could replace Terminator armor, which the current models and rules most certainly do not. The model captures a lot of that, but I wish the minis were closer to the artwork in terms of the proportions between his head and body. I really like how big the neck area/collar is in the artwork, which again helps sell Gravis armor as a massive suit befitting a siege master. I am somewhat tickled by the idea of his little command gauntlet console thing, because I love the idea of him having to push buttons with his power fist hand.

shade1313 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not coming complaining about anything, I have no dog in the fight and I would never have bought the model in any guise.

But it isn't a hard concept to follow is it? Rather than reinevent an existing model, like they did with Calgar, they essentially resculpted them but gave them an arbitrary alternative name. So we don't have Vulkan and Lysander we have not Vulkan and not Lysander.


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And completely different equipment.

Malibu Stacey would have got the new hat regardles.

He’Stan’s use of three of the relics of Vulkan is kind of central to him. You’d know that if you did have any dog at all in the fight, or even knew the rudiments of the kinds of dogs involved in the fight. It’s not Vulkan He’Stan. No Salamanders player would have looked at it and thought that it is. Only people on the outside, commenting from ignorance, would have thought that might be He’Stan.

Lol, nerve struck?

I do know what used to be central to all sorts of characters, kicking around since Rogue Trader tends to do that.

But I also remember when the Primarchs were something consigned to history 10,000 years before the contemporary time of the setting, so forgive me for pretty much disregarding anything that differs slightly, or even significantly, from any established lore.

I mean, Mara Jade isn't even a thing any more!

Wait, hang on...

The imperial fist dude is grade A comedy. The model's head looks like it was cut from soap, and somehow the artwork is even better, he's got expression of a slightly senile old man who doesn't remember putting the armor on.

Yeah, the face is crap, but otherwise it is bloody excellent. A simple headswap will fix it.

They both look bloody excellent! Fisty McFistface is really good.

The Salamanders guy is very nearly named Adrax Earthshade. I actually just went and typed "aga" into google translate to see if it meant "earth" in some weird language.

It doesn't seem to, but I did learn that Agatone is Swedish for "Agatone". You rock, Google.

Also the Imperial Fist guy has those smart watch controls on his left wrist, nothing in his left hand, and a huge power fist on his right hand. How does that work then?

 Azreal13 wrote:


Yes, but make them new not tepid rehashes of existing concepts.

The fact that the likes of Shrike and Calgar got full blooded resculpts whereas the Fists and Sallies got rebadged B-Listers just reeks of "focus group,' which is what I find objectionable.

Dude, Adrax as is about as far from He'stan as they could go with a Salamander character. I think you would be making the same arguments about any new character they came up with.

He has a bare head, a hammer(very likely his custom hammer right out of the books), and he has a hand flamer.

He'stan has a crested helmet, a relic spear, and a relic heavy flamer guantlet.

They need new characters. You can't two re-imagine 40k Marines but continue on with EVERY SINGLE character that existed before. Eventually some of these guys are going to have to die. (Sicarius first hopefully)

I love He'stan and still have his bare metal model waiting for paint (I have been to afraid to botch him up to paint him yet). But we need new characters.

Eventually some of these guys are going to have to die.

Why start now?

Mandragola wrote:
Also the Imperial Fist guy has those smart watch controls on his left wrist, nothing in his left hand, and a huge power fist on his right hand. How does that work then?

Carefully, brother. Very carefully.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Also the Imperial Fist guy has those smart watch controls on his left wrist, nothing in his left hand, and a huge power fist on his right hand. How does that work then?

Carefully, brother. Very carefully.

Do you think that primaris enhancements help with that?

Salamanders guy is cool. Fist guy was clearly not awesome enough. I fixed it.

I think that photoshop clearly shows why only one fist is the way to go.

At that point he's just Calgar.

But an Imperial Fists' Calgar. Therefore better.

Glad to see that the Primaris marines didn't 'cure' the Dark Skin and glowing orange eyes of the Salamanders chapter. I'd love it if Hestan, and Xavier also got primarisized. Chapters other than the UltraMarines, Space Woofs, and the Angels need more named heroes!

<- That's meant to be ravenguard...

Mandragola wrote:
The Salamanders guy is very nearly named Adrax Earthshade. I actually just went and typed "aga" into google translate to see if it meant "earth" in some weird language.

It doesn't seem to, but I did learn that Agatone is Swedish for "Agatone". You rock, Google.

Also the Imperial Fist guy has those smart watch controls on his left wrist, nothing in his left hand, and a huge power fist on his right hand. How does that work then?

Perhaps the smart watch is a device used to control the MEGAFIST he's rocking? Using a number of set hand movements and winks he's able to jab, uppercut and hook.

 insaniak wrote:
Salamanders guy is cool. Fist guy was clearly not awesome enough. I fixed it.

Congratz you created Chaos spawn.
Out of a Mutant.

How you managed to achieve that is beyond me.
Did you have help from KernelTerror?

 insaniak wrote:
Salamanders guy is cool. Fist guy was clearly not awesome enough. I fixed it.

I would buy the absolutely gak out of that. But make them Combi-Gravs, because he is a Fist, after all.

 skullking wrote:
Glad to see that the Primaris marines didn't 'cure' the Dark Skin and glowing orange eyes of the Salamanders chapter. I'd love it if Hestan, and Xavier also got primarisized. Chapters other than the UltraMarines, Space Woofs, and the Angels need more named heroes!

<- That's meant to be ravenguard...

In the fluff is Xavier still kicking? I remember a dreadnought quote talking about how he missed Xavier. That model was awesome. That whole minidex with the Salamanders, Black Templars, Speedfreaks and IG regiment was awesome...

taking a guess as to why Lysander and Vulkan Hestan didn't get new models I'm going to guess there are two reasons, Lysander didn't get it because Gravis is NOT the actual terminator plate, and GW has that planned for the third wave of primartis stuff, thus they don't want to jump the gun, the most important thing would the the deep strike, that gravis lacks. So GW may be saving Lysander for later.

as for Vulkan Hestan, his NAME may be an issue. if GW has a plan to bring back the Primarch Vulkan sometime in the next ten years having two chars named Vulkan may be a problem so GW might decide to keep him finecast so they can retire the character to legends once Primarch Vulkan returns.

 Popsghostly wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Glad to see that the Primaris marines didn't 'cure' the Dark Skin and glowing orange eyes of the Salamanders chapter. I'd love it if Hestan, and Xavier also got primarisized. Chapters other than the UltraMarines, Space Woofs, and the Angels need more named heroes!

<- That's meant to be ravenguard...

In the fluff is Xavier still kicking? I remember a dreadnought quote talking about how he missed Xavier. That model was awesome. That whole minidex with the Salamanders, Black Templars, Speedfreaks and IG regiment was awesome...

From Lexicanum:

UK White Dwarf #266 wrote:Chaplain Xavier was killed leading an attack on a Dark Eldar raiding force on the planet Drykeena. Mortally wounded by blades several times over, Xavier refused to fall and fought on until all his foes were lying dead around him. Only then did he allow himself to sink to the ground, where his wounds finally overcame him. His body was laid to rest on Nocturne and his name is still spoken with reverence by the Salamanders.

I like some aspects of the IF guy. It's ludicrously cartoonish, some of the details are wildly out of proportion (cables as think as a wrist, Styrofoam cloak etc), way too cluttered (I loved the Psycannon on the old =][= Covenant model, not super keen on this one), and once again GW have gone with the "The more crap stuffed on a model the better" approach (he almost had a clean line on his left forearm but someone noticed just in time and they were able to stick that auspex thing one there). Having said all that there's enough that I like.

Mandragola wrote:
The Salamanders guy is very nearly named Adrax Earthshade. I actually just went and typed "aga" into google translate to see if it meant "earth" in some weird language.

Agate is a gemstone classically associated with volcanic rock and thus a great thing to base a Salamander's name on.

 Azreal13 wrote:


I mean, Mara Jade isn't even a thing any more!

Wait, hang on...

Ok there is joking, but then there is being plain hurtful.

I agree that the grav gun looks tacked on. Needs a mounting arm of some sort. I do like the chip hazard face and knuckle buster though. And they are both probably on 2 sprues since they include molded bases.

BrianDavion wrote:

as for Vulkan Hestan, his NAME may be an issue. if GW has a plan to bring back the Primarch Vulkan sometime in the next ten years having two chars named Vulkan may be a problem so GW might decide to keep him finecast so they can retire the character to legends once Primarch Vulkan returns.

Interesting point! Yeah, that would be confusing for most. Plus, if Vulkan (the primarch) comes back, he'll take all of Hestan's cool weapons (cause they're his really).

Ghaz wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Glad to see that the Primaris marines didn't 'cure' the Dark Skin and glowing orange eyes of the Salamanders chapter. I'd love it if Hestan, and Xavier also got primarisized. Chapters other than the UltraMarines, Space Woofs, and the Angels need more named heroes!

<- That's meant to be ravenguard...

In the fluff is Xavier still kicking? I remember a dreadnought quote talking about how he missed Xavier. That model was awesome. That whole minidex with the Salamanders, Black Templars, Speedfreaks and IG regiment was awesome...

From Lexicanum:

UK White Dwarf #266 wrote:Chaplain Xavier was killed leading an attack on a Dark Eldar raiding force on the planet Drykeena. Mortally wounded by blades several times over, Xavier refused to fall and fought on until all his foes were lying dead around him. Only then did he allow himself to sink to the ground, where his wounds finally overcame him. His body was laid to rest on Nocturne and his name is still spoken with reverence by the Salamanders.

That makes sense. I still love the model, with his cool rock thunderhammer & scaley cloak. But yeah, might as well create a new guy. I know there's at least a figure for the Salamander's character dreadnaught (through forgeworld), I'm guessing some of the other founding chapters have other characters in forgeworld too (post heresy ones, to be more clear, I'm sure they all have a bunch of heresy boyz).