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Flying scout transport for your folk hero you say?

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

Other vehicle? :(

No new infantry?

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

I want to believe.

zamerion wrote:

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

Other vehicle? :(

No new infantry?

What kind of infantry are you thinking about? GSC seem pretty well covered with the 4 kits plus brood brothers sprue they have now.

New 'stealers is the only one I can think of, but it isn't hugely necessary.

Got my Kill Team Box with the Gunslinger in it today. Can confirm that he has no other special rules etc. than what was previewed on the WHC site.

But some of the weapons for the Acolytes and Metamorphs changed!

-Hand Flamers are D6 shots now (no surprise there)
-Rock Saw stayed the same (no -1 to-hit)
-Rock Cutter does Damage D3 now
-Drill stayed the same

-No stat changes to Metamorphs
-Metamorph Talon now also adds an additional attack. Still no AP.
-The claw is still S+2 but now AP-1. Still only does 1 damage sadly...

I reallllly wamt that to be true but the word 'Gravopter' makes me think it's not real.

Itds be nice if it was though but i wouldnt expect it

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I reallllly wamt that to be true but the word 'Gravopter' makes me think it's not real.

Itds be nice if it was though but i wouldnt expect it

Keep in mind he's french and names are lost in translation sometimes.

I mean, I'll take a plane if that's an option, but I have a hard time believing it.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I mean, I'll take a plane if that's an option, but I have a hard time believing it.

It does say copter, so if it's real, it's likely some sort of hover/rotory vehicle. Perfect for industrial and expeditionary use.

Here's to hoping that it has a carry capacity of some sort. Maybe for a light vehicle like the Ridgerunner...

I'm using plane to indicate flyer, rather than actual plane, but we'll definitely see if it pans out.

I was actually shooting the shoots this past weekend at the FLGS and I mentioned how implausibly sweet it would be to get a helicopter with a winch and hook lol.

I don't care about fliers. I want my updated Gorka (Necromunda: Sand Wastes) Morka rules NAO!

GunSmith wrote:
Gravopter Duneskimmer.

Well it would be called that, wouldn't it?

There is an unidentified bit from the Rumor Engine that looks like it could be part of a grav-skiff or something of that nature...


Row 14, the first entry in.

Oh, god. You're not wrong, and the motif is similar enough to the Ridgerunner that I can believe it as possible

 Causalis wrote:
Got my Kill Team Box with the Gunslinger in it today. Can confirm that he has no other special rules etc. than what was previewed on the WHC site.

But some of the weapons for the Acolytes and Metamorphs changed!

-Hand Flamers are D6 shots now (no surprise there)
-Rock Saw stayed the same (no -1 to-hit)
-Rock Cutter does Damage D3 now
-Drill stayed the same

-No stat changes to Metamorphs
-Metamorph Talon now also adds an additional attack. Still no AP.
-The claw is still S+2 but now AP-1. Still only does 1 damage sadly...

The talon, claw and what else for weapon option on the Meta's?

Whats the point cost of the Gunslinger??

 luke1705 wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Personally I could see GW saying that the blip and underground system is a “fix” to not being able to cult ambush turn 1. Of course, they easy fix would be to allow them to cult ambush on turn 1

But the “any of your movement phase” doesn’t override the beta rule. The codex would have to have a more explicit rule that overrides it. Of course, it’s possible that the codex will have a rule that allows turn 1 deep strike, but that line doesn’t do it. That’s literally the same line that regular deep strike says.

This is another reason I'm on the fence about picking up the new GSC releases to fill out my army.
Blips and the FAQ changes to stuff coming on table have a good chance of being an argument from the first time these guys hit the table with the new book.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Personally I could see GW saying that the blip and underground system is a “fix” to not being able to cult ambush turn 1. Of course, they easy fix would be to allow them to cult ambush on turn 1

But the “any of your movement phase” doesn’t override the beta rule. The codex would have to have a more explicit rule that overrides it. Of course, it’s possible that the codex will have a rule that allows turn 1 deep strike, but that line doesn’t do it. That’s literally the same line that regular deep strike says.

This is another reason I'm on the fence about picking up the new GSC releases to fill out my army.
Blips and the FAQ changes to stuff coming on table have a good chance of being an argument from the first time these guys hit the table with the new book.

Yeah, best to let that all sort itself out until the inevitable FAQ that doesn't clarify anything that anyone was asking.

Still, I do hope they get a flier of some sort. That'd be the cherry on top to this release!

so if gsc get a flyer ... does that make harlequins the only army without one (skipping nid MCs & IKs being anything but flyers)?

Oh, god. You're not wrong, and the motif is similar enough to the Ridgerunner that I can believe it as possible

I also made that link, but that piece of image reminds me more AdMech than Genestealers Cults so i've gote mixed feeling about it. Also, while the context of the "intel" indicate GSC, the "Dune" part of the the "Duneskimmer" makes it quite similar to the "Dune" part of the "Dunecrawler". Futhermore, for now, the vehicles we have within the Cults are named after Mytholigicals/biblicals figures (Goliath and Achilles), which is not the case here. So this flying vehicle could be for AdMech too, but, due to the context of the information, i'm still holding my hopes high.

 Haighus wrote:

zamerion wrote:

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

Other vehicle? :(

No new infantry?

What kind of infantry are you thinking about? GSC seem pretty well covered with the 4 kits plus brood brothers sprue they have now.

New 'stealers is the only one I can think of, but it isn't hugely necessary.

Right and in the middle.

A kind of saboteur that debuff enemies for example.

 aracersss wrote:
so if gsc get a flyer ... does that make harlequins the only army without one (skipping nid MCs & IKs being anything but flyers)?

AdMech too.

At least Harlies have their jetbike things.

I have no idea if this hasn't been mentioned because it's obvious, or whether everyone has missed it so far.

TL;DR: The blip system doesn't work the way you think it does, you still have to deploy half (usually 1,000pts) of your army normally..

Even with the blip system, you still have to place half of your army on the battlefield turn 1 (i.e. not in blips or in ambush). In a 2,000pts game, this means you can only put 1,000pts in blips/ambush. Therefore you could do something like 500pts blips, 500pts ambush, 1000pts on board. You CAN'T place 1,000pts in ambush and 1,000pts as blips.

From the Warhammer Community Article from 2 days ago, we can see that "on the battlefield" is a different deployment option to "blipping" or "deep strike ambushing" units.

Instead of setting up a unit underground or on the battlefield, you can choose to place an ambush marker anywhere within your deployment zone.

From the tactical reserves rule (September FAQ), we know that at least half your army (1,000pts in a 2,000pts game) has to be deployed on the battlefield:

When setting up your army during Deployment for a matched play game, at least half the total number of units in your army must be set up on the battlefield, and the combined points value of all the units you set up on the battlefield during Deployment (including those that are embarked within Transports that are set up on the battlefield) must be at least half of your army’s total points value, even if every unit in your army has an ability that would allow them to be set up elsewhere.

"Blipped", or "Cult Ambush deep striking" are different to "the battlefield", as the rules indicate above. Which means unless GSC get a rule specifically exempting them from this rule, there's still a hard limit to this new system. Given how little space we have in ambush already I can't see myself blipping things all too often.

From what I can tell, everyone is assuming you can put half your army as blips and the other half in ambush, but from the information we have this isn't the case.

Before someone says "then why give us 28 blip tokens if we won't use that many?" - Narrative/Open play, where this rule doesn't exist. Plus you might choose to blip as much as possible and use a number of decoys, which still uses up a lot of blips. They'll give an excess.

Some people also play more than 2K games.

If blips don't count as units on the battlefield, the mechanic is going to be situational at best. I wouldn't take the wording on WH community literally, but there is another reason to believe it will be true.

"They Came From Bellow" stratagem allows us to redirect three units that are deployed as blips and put them into deep strike reserve. That stratagem is used in the first round during blip reveal.

Blips can't count as being on the battlefield. We would be able to put 50% of the army underground and then redirect 3 extra units from those that started on the table as blips. That could be easily the nearly entire army list.

GW won't allow that.

 Overread wrote:
Some people also play more than 2K games.

Regardless, half your army must be deployed normally. I was under the impression everyone thought you could put everything down as blips.
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 CaptainBetts wrote:
From the tactical reserves rule (September FAQ), we know that at least half your army (1,000pts in a 2,000pts game) has to be deployed on the battlefield

Until we see the full Cult Ambush rule text we don't know if blips count as units on the battlefield or not. There's a pretty valid argument that even though the models may not be on the table, you're still committing units to certain positions using blips. It's not the same as keeping units back as reinforcements.

As xttz said.

We just don't know. Blips are a deployment of a sort, in that they're committing to a location. And it is for individual Codexes to 'break 'the core rules in that way with specific exceptions.

 aracersss wrote:
so if gsc get a flyer ... does that make harlequins the only army without one (skipping nid MCs & IKs being anything but flyers)?

Sisters (of both knds) don't have one, nor Assassins and a few others.

Knights have their own air cover in the (rather execellent) novels

Custodes
Demons
All flavors of CSM if you don't consider the hell turkey (I don't)


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 Red Corsair wrote:
Custodes
Demons
All flavors of CSM if you don't consider the hell turkey (I don't)

Edit

Also, it could be a flier used for admech and GSC. GSC re-purposes things and that's a great way to give both factions a flier.