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JohnHwangDD wrote:@Alpharius: Are you aware of the DOE methodology?
They calculate an *average* price across the *entire* US.

Not just the flyover states.

That is why, here in California, we're still $3.50+...

Lol, down to $2.37 in some parts of town now.

And just to not completely threadjack: In the past two years I've purchased ONE issue of White Dwarf, the Dark Elf one, and that was only to have something to read on a train. At $8.00 and issue, I'd rather buy a couple comics.

Anti-Mag wrote:$6? That's about £2.80 (ish). Here in the UK we pay £4. So with my poor exchange calculations that's about $9. Would you pay $10 for a WD? The new price rises will make that a reality for people in the UK.

Nope. £4 is about $6.91, according to www.xe.com. Not quite as big a difference as you paint it to be.
Granted, still higher.
I wouldn't pay $10 for WD... or $8... or $6. It's just not worth it anymore.
Most companies give their catalogs away for free.


Eric

yeah,
Its pretty much what i thought, Just a bunch of nay-sayers..

I think most of you have stopped buying WD and now your trying to convince yourselfs you did the right thing...

As far as i Can see No ones pointed out what was in the last issue they take offence with, and spoken up for what they believe is missing from WD???

Panic...

Panic wrote:yeah,
Its pretty much what i thought, Just a bunch of nay-sayers..

I think most of you have stopped buying WD and now your trying to convince yourselfs you did the right thing...

As far as i Can see No ones pointed out what was in the last issue they take offence with, and spoken up for what they believe is missing from WD???

Panic...

I think several people pointed out what they didn't like. I don't play Fantasy, or LoTR, so it's already hard to justify it for the table scraps 40k gets, and I'm not a fan of their batreps. I was however a fan of Chapter Approved, and Index Astartes. White Dwarf used to be worth the money, when it was more than an advertisement. I don't need to convince myself not buying it was the right thing, I know it was. I can get more/better modeling/painting advice in 5 minutes of browsing forums, and I don't pay for it.

Panic wrote:yeah,
Its pretty much what i thought, Just a bunch of nay-sayers..

I think most of you have stopped buying WD and now your trying to convince yourselfs you did the right thing...

As far as i Can see No ones pointed out what was in the last issue they take offence with, and spoken up for what they believe is missing from WD???

Panic...

First I dont need to convince myself of anything I decide to do in my life... its called being a adult... you decide something and then live with it!
Second I'm not a naysayer, last WD I got was the 345 and content wise there was some ups and downs but none of those justify the 8 euros/ 10 dollas price tag.
ALthough I do casually get some WD just to check the pretty pictures in places I dont have internet ( like one wd per year).

ALthough I splashed money on the deceased and much more expensive rackham cry havoc mag since it was artbook quality and contents like tutorials were aimed for very very experienced painters! Dont see this hapening in my lifetime on WD

My flag sells old wd for 1euro... i bought an entire stack of old dusty really old wd but couldnt even make my self pay 1 euro for this years issues because they sucked so much!

White Dwarf.

A Magazine aimed at relatively new Gamers, to help teach them tecniques and promot to them the idea of the game as a Hobby.

And Veterans are buying this because? There is precious little in there of genuine value to me (gaming 18 years). Any articles on there tend to have online equivalents, either official GW ones or fansite based. As a result, I do not buy White Dwarf, I do not complain about White Dwarf, and I can't say I'm all that bothered by the price of something I have no wish to buy.

ZamboniKnight wrote:The first White Dwarf that really made an impression on me was because of it's 40k battle report. It was in the 150's and feature Ragnar Blackman, Ulrik the Slayer, and Njal Stormcaller leading their Space Wolves against Ghazkhull Thraka. The BatRep was written as if it was a novel though. No mention was made of dice rolls or specific measurements. It was FANTASTIC! Then I think it was issue 170 which featured an amazing Dark Angels army. The army was small but featured the Dark Green clad Marines in a uniform that was set off by it's blazing yellow/orange/red trim. As it's centerpiece, stood a dreadnaught with a hand painted angel on it's armor that was repeated upon it's banner. Where these features are now, I don't know. I mostly pick up White Dwarf now on an infrequent basis and only to see what's going on in the realm of GW.

Yes they were both good issues. The DA one had a Man o' War cover iirc. Can't remember the SW cover but it was still a good magazine.

Panic wrote:yeah,
Its pretty much what i thought, Just a bunch of nay-sayers..

I think most of you have stopped buying WD and now your trying to convince yourselfs you did the right thing...

As far as i Can see No ones pointed out what was in the last issue they take offence with, and spoken up for what they believe is missing from WD???

Panic...

If WD were less of a monthly catalog, and more of an ongoing Apocalypse support press organ, I might be more interested.

But really, I'm pretty much at a point where GW won't bring me back in regardless of what they print.

Railguns wrote:Haven't bought one in 4 years now, not going to start.

yea thats exactly my mentality. seriously WD isnt so awesome i just had to get a subscription. if I see one that is just packed with useful things then i might buy one. but like he stated, i havnt bought one in years

White Dwarf gets price increase because they're giving it Rending.

Seriously now, under the GW/Studio policy, it was the Game designers' decision to tone it down and increase the price, in a classic move that's served them well in Warhammer 40k.

(More likely this was the Board's decision, because they lost a lot of money on the free Nob & Termie, so they want less people to buy the magazine to prevent more losses.)

Since WD is the only thing I really continue to buy regularly for 40K since my playing days are long gone I really debated on whether I was going to re subscribe or not.

But in the end I decided to add another 2 years while it was still not to bad and the bonus of 6 extra issues helped a little so add those to what is remaining on my current sub I should be good until 2012.

I will admit as a loyal reader since the early days when they covered other company’s games WD is not what is used to be and I think that I could be as good if not better if they put a little more into. Just take a look at No Quarter for Privateer press it is basically one Giant add for there stuff but it is done so much better I just wish they had a subscription service.

One thing I did do and I suggest anyone who is going to re subscribe let them know how you feel about WD and the direction it is going. I made sure to point that out to the sales guy on the phone when I called he actually sounded like he has been hearing it a lot. Who know it might do a little good.

Well enough rambling form this old fart I am off to bed

lol love this thread. Looked at a copy in a shop recently. Didnt know whether to laugh or cry. Then went home and looked at WD 150:
battle report, roleplay content, space hulk, converted and scratch built minis, 1 page of mailorder and..... an advert for Waddingtons family games??

Jazz is for Losers wrote:

ZamboniKnight wrote:The first White Dwarf that really made an impression on me was because of it's 40k battle report. It was in the 150's and feature Ragnar Blackman, Ulrik the Slayer, and Njal Stormcaller leading their Space Wolves against Ghazkhull Thraka. The BatRep was written as if it was a novel though. No mention was made of dice rolls or specific measurements. It was FANTASTIC! Then I think it was issue 170 which featured an amazing Dark Angels army. The army was small but featured the Dark Green clad Marines in a uniform that was set off by it's blazing yellow/orange/red trim. As it's centerpiece, stood a dreadnaught with a hand painted angel on it's armor that was repeated upon it's banner. Where these features are now, I don't know. I mostly pick up White Dwarf now on an infrequent basis and only to see what's going on in the realm of GW.

Yes they were both good issues. The DA one had a Man o' War cover iirc. Can't remember the SW cover but it was still a good magazine.

Man that was a good one....*tear.

That dark angels army was fantastic, and had zero robes! That gentleman really made Dark Angels look cool.

JMO but WD does have more color pages than any other magazine and usually more content. Once you figure on the limited content and no outside advertising you may start to understand the price. I recently purchased a car magazine and it was 7$ and I have seen other magazines as much as $12 a pop with less content. Admittedly some months are better than others and I miss some of the older formats like Dirty Steve and letters from players as well as funny stuff. The hobby content is actually pretty good and I love looking at all the pretty color models for ideas.

Ugh, I hated that Dark Angels army. It was back in the "red days" where all the armies were really bright. Good painter, just not my cup of tea.

I subscribe to White Dwarf. I usually wait to subscribe till I get something cool for free (not a stupid Grombrindal mini). I dunno, I enjoy reading it, the painting articles have improved lately, and whatever, I'm a collector and I like having it on my shelf.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

This issue had '$8 MSRP' on the cover. It is also sealed in a plastic sleeve, fo no very good reason. (Enclosed is a little mini-catalog featuring new stuff & special army deals- like I said, no very good reason.)

I asked my FLGS owner if he was selling it for the MSRP, and he was taken by surprise. GW charged him the old price. He called his GW rep to check on the pricing, and told them that they needed to reduce the number of WD's they sent him if the price was going up that high.

He then sold it to me for the old price, and I went home to enjoy the last WD I will ever buy. Pity it had so little worthwhile content.

I forgot to post the most ironic part of all this. Most of the stores I go to are having real issues getting the most recent white dwarfs in a timely manner. The GW store has them in plenty of time but the LGS cant get it until 2 weeks later at best. Then they get stuck with them as everyone who wanted one ended up having to go to the GW store....Hmmmmmmm

It was barely worthwhile at $6, and it's a pile of crap for $8. Unless and until they publish new rules, new army lists/codexes, or USEFUL hobby guides, I ain't buying another damned issue.

Period.

Railguns wrote:Haven't bought one in 4 years now, not going to start.

LoL, I just checked. The last issue I bought was July 2004 #294. Yeah, I have no reason to pick up this publication. It stopped being relevant back in 2k4 and is likely more so now. I suppose GW's new business model is to just 'jack' the prices up on everything and hope they see black sometime soon. With the world economy tanking as a whole it really won't matter what they do. When it comes to needs and wants GW products are only wants. I'll save my money for necessities personally. I'm just glad I've got an entire Witch Hunters army to paint and mod so there are really no purchases I need atm.

BrookM wrote:Isn't this one of those "oops, I shot myself in the leg" moments?

It's either raise the price, thin the number of pages, or drop the mag.

I bet they did their research before they made the decision.

I actually bought a WD 3 or 4 months back(Im ashamed to admitt it even), but ohh how I regretted it at 6$. More then 1/3 was self adverticement and the few pages remaining split evenly on the 3 games it didnt leave much.. Think there was actually one half useful article.. At 8$ anyone seeing me pick it up gets a free punch.

Also, I tought with new management they kinda "promised" to bring it back to what it had used to be. But I guess that promise was worth as much as the GW stock these days.

Picked up a subscription about 3 months ago, no intention of renewing or picking up single issues the direction the magazine is going. I liked WD when they published articles like chapter approved, with in-depth fluff and variant rules for units. The only gaming magazine I'm currently interested in buying is No Quarter - new models get articles with fluff and full rules text so they can be played immediately!

I'm putting all my 40K purchases on hold anyway until I see what's coming with next year's Necron codex. Maybe WD will get interesting again by then...

Maybe GW overheard my nagging and complaining as I still haven't gotten my November issue. Isn't that supposed to be one of the perks of having a subscription: Getting the mag a week or two before everybody else?

£4.50???? What a joke.

yeah,
what were they thinking? just 50p more? they should have raised the price to at least £5, so you could have a proper moan about it...
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boring...

Panic...

Good job i took out a subscription at games day then innit Got the old price deal.

I wouldnt mind it if they did some rules previews for new armies, or more fluff articles or even what they did a few WD back by making your own Eye of Terror campaign. I loved chapter approved and index astares.

One thing I would love see but know for sure would mean alot of mags would be to publish every quarter general FaQs based off of one game system such as 40k, fantasy, Lord of the Rings.

Fishboy wrote: Admittedly some months are better than others and I miss some of the older formats like Dirty Steve and letters from players as well as funny stuff.

Wait... what? You miss the Dirty Steve letters page?

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