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UltraPrime wrote:Surprised HMBC hasn't come in to say how crap it is yet though...

Eh? It's a cover. I haven't got a problem with the cover, and I want Tyranids to be redone because we'll get some new models.

Honestly...

Something I'd point out is that it's very much in the style of the Codex: Chaos Daemons cover, rather than the Space Marine or Imperial Guard covers. It seems to be a bit of a theme going on there.

I see what you mean. Big Giant Swarm. Ugly looking monsters...I like it.

Fateweaver wrote:
No one's asking you to stay in 40k. Apparently you have never actively pursued paintball, sailing, or some other type of hobby. I spent more on paintball tournament fees and paintballs (those aren't provided unless you are a pro and get sponsored) and upgrading my gear and repairs on my gear in 6 months than I have in 5 years of 40k (and I spend around $100/month on 40k, you do the math) but unlike people who nag on GW's prices I never nagged or bitched about WDP charging $1500 for a paintball gun only to release something new and better 6 months down the road. I got out on my own because I realized it was too pricey. I gave it up over financial problems. Don't like the prices then get out. I'll even hold the door open for you.

Sigh....
I play paintball. Have for the last 10 years. Ive spent more on 40k in a month after a new dex comes out then I have on Paintball in a year. And yes I play semi-pro in my area. What gear do you have that constantly needs an overhaul? Pods? Packs? Fancy uniforms? I buy these things once (Some not at all) and save for an occasional breakage due to an accident I never spend another penny on said items.

Plus if you go all crazy and spend 1500 on a marker that shoots 30+Bps... why do you want the newer one that comes out 6 months later that still only shoots 30+Bps? Is it cause the new one is slimmer and sports a fancier grip? If so then I hate to say it but you just bought into the hype. Its still the same marker, just slight cosmetic differences. At its heart the two markers are the same.

Unlike what GW has done to some armies in the past....(CSM)

I also collect and shoot firearms as another hobby of mine. Sure it has some cost attached to it, but unlike 40k I never have to worry about a new TM comming out invalidating my current build (AC, LATD, Squats ect) Or worrying that the gun I bought will still be legal and viable when a new edition comes out (CSM, IG) Plus I can (and do) cast my own bullets, and reload them so that damn near halfs the cost (At a min) of ammo.

Like Ive said before... any way you try to put a spin on it... Stuff like this is nuts!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1020021&prodId=prod1060028

It would be nice to see Nids focus changed from Nidzilla to Hordes.

I for one am hoping that the following rumors are true. (Note that I am not commenting on the validity of said rumors.)

Tyranid Warriors can be had as Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support. Yay!!!

The Trygon is in the Codex. (Excuse me while I wipe up...)

Like HBMC said, the cover does not make the codex. However, that is a crappy pic. I believe those beetles are the little critters that clean up the Hive ships. They must get everywhere.

Id love to see the Trygon in a dex... however I honestly dont see how they can do it without dumbing it down for standard 40k games.

jp400 wrote:Id love to see the Trygon in a dex... however I honestly dont see how they can do it without dumbing it down for standard 40k games.

Well...from what it looks like the Trygon will be in the new dex.
And i doute GW will be selling Trygons without them being in the codex.

The extreme lack of news on anything from GDUK is maddening.

warpcrafter wrote:I for one am hoping that the following rumors are true. (Note that I am not commenting on the validity of said rumors.)

Tyranid Warriors can be had as Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support. Yay!!!

The Trygon is in the Codex. (Excuse me while I wipe up...)

Like HBMC said, the cover does not make the codex. However, that is a crappy pic. I believe those beetles are the little critters that clean up the Hive ships. They must get everywhere.

It is a bad picture. But the cover is not bad.

It's a cover guys, honestly - is it worth so much bile and spittle?

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's a cover guys, honestly - is it worth so much bile and spittle?

Yes and no.


No because its just a picture.

Yes because they are amateur mistakes
that and we are stuck with looking at it for 4 years.

the cover looks good IMHO. I like how it looks more realistic kinda like looking into a coral reef. However, i hate the fact that its almost exactly like the previous cover in overall design.

i mean really are wandering carnies the only concept in the entire codex worth drawing?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The extreme lack of news on anything from GDUK is maddening.

Maybe GW actually want to keep most of it a surprise.

At least they're not doing the whole "No, it's not Space Hulk, silly! It's really not! LOL, just kidding, it WAS Space Hulk, LOL!" thing again.

If they did something like that it would take a tactical geni........

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

I see meiotic spore mines are represented on the cover. Those beetles look like mobile adrenal glands.

I wonder what sort of bonuses mobile adrenal glands will confer in the new codex...

Farmer wrote:True,i mean look at the number of 13th company wulfun players that just recently got the hammer...

Yeah, I mean their models are TOTALLY worthless now!

What are they going to do with their...

wolf lord -> wolf lord
rune priest -> rune priest
wolf priest -> wolf priest
storm claws -> sky claws
wulfen pack -> model in every unit that can take mark of the wulfen
grey slayers -> grey hunters
fenrisian wolf pack -> fenrisian wolf pack
storm claws bikers -> swift claws
long fangs -> long fangs

I can only hope that one day, the 13th co. players can learn to forgive GW.

To actually address tyranids... I am very excited that their release has been moved up a whole month. I just snagged a battleforce from my FLGS and that same FLGS is doing a tale of many gamers style build and battle campaign which I've just signed up for. We start at the beginning of november, so I just have to survive a couple months and hope that I don't glue too many models with the wrong upgrades. Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky with a leak.

I am very happy that Robin has written the book. With a couple of unfortunate exceptions, I love what he did with my beloved guard. I have made competitive lists that played so radically different from each other, and haven't even begun experimenting with the many units that can fit into competitive games with the right touch. I'm pretty confident that the Nid codex will have that kind of diversity, especially with the introduction of new units!

It looks like those gaunts are falling into that toothy hole. Are they adding "tyranid" Nydus worms to the army?

Cheese Elemental wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:The extreme lack of news on anything from GDUK is maddening.

Maybe GW actually want to keep most of it a surprise.

Yeah,they kept somthing that's 4 months away a big secret rofl....

Tbh in a way its spoilt the surprise because now everyone knows Nids are coming.

Now we just play the boring waiting game.

Nurglitch wrote:What, would you rather it was standing there in smoking jacket, slippers and fez, peering through a monocle at the latest printing of Principia Mathematica?

Someone needs to get to work on this idea right away, because it's hilarious.

In other news: Huh. Tyranids getting redone. Well, they are flagship Xenos. Shame they're not doing necrons or DE first though.

Farmer wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:The extreme lack of news on anything from GDUK is maddening.

Maybe GW actually want to keep most of it a surprise.

Yeah,they kept somthing that's 4 months away a big secret rofl....

Tbh in a way its spoilt the surprise because now everyone knows Nids are coming.

Now we just play the boring waiting game.

I meant keeping details a surprise. We knew absolutely everything that was in the SW and IG codicies weeks before they were released.

And we will again for the Tyranid book. And the Skaven book. And whatever comes after them.

Wouldn't it just be easier to preview their own books and upcoming releases? Maybe they could do it at some big once-a-year event like a games... day or something. I dunno. You come up with a good name. But at these 'Games Days' they could have the whole new range on display, painted perfectly, to show off what the new kits could do - maybe even run demo games with the new Army Books/Codices, offer advanced release kits as prizes, that sort've thing. They could use theses 'Games Days' to have Q&A's with the writers of their books, giving us an incite into the design process and why certain decisions could be made, and even brief looks into the future of the rules with what great new stuff they've got coming up for us. They could show off upcoming models and collector's pieces at these 'Games Days' as well, and give all the attendees something to go home and tell their friends about, so everyone gets all buzzed about the upcoming releases.

I think I might write to GW about this 'Games Day' idea and... oh wait...

Crap.

Fateweaver wrote:I bet 90% of whiners on dakka over plastic mini prices smoke at least a pack of cigs/fags a day.

Most of my friends who play 40k smoke and I hear the bitching every month. Apparently people don't mind spending $200/month on cigs but bitch at having to spend $50 every 4-6 years to buy a new rulebook.

Makes me go WTF? everytime I hear it.

In another thread somewhere someone did the math and at least here in the US if you work a $7.50/hour job you actually have to work LESS hours to afford a box of Tactical Space Marines than you did 10 years ago, so I think a lot of the bitching about prices is just that.

Yeah, that was way off topic.

Yeah but I NEED those ciggies!! So I dont reach over the table and strangle my warhammer opponent.

Back to topic: Im kinda disapointed we didnt get a cron and DE codex first, but I'm not surprised. Hopefully the new nids will be good, I'm optimistic. Hopefully they'll go towards a more swarm type of army, I'd like to see cost-effective hormigaunts. Cheaper genestealers would be cool too, maybe 13-14 points a piece base cost?

Compel wrote:He also talked a wee bit about the design process. "Well, when we sit down to right a codex, I get given a pile of all the letters and things that people write in, that are split into MUST-FIX, Should-fix, would-be-nice."

He then added, "a lot of the letters in the first pile are about lictors and spore mines. So, while I can't tell you what they are, I think the lictors really are the best representation of them yet, but then I would say that, wouldn't I."

Spore mines being a bigger player in the new codex, check. Lictors...well...I've been burned there before. It would be really great if they were a$$-kickers. But it's been 11 years since we had that, and I refuse to get my hopes up again. Hey, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Regarding the cover, I don't get the drama. It's not any worse or better than most codex cover art. Really now, who spends time looking at the cover after they get the book? All the relevant stuff is in the inside. You guys generate all this negativity and simultaneously wonder why GW's gunshy about showing stuff off other than in tightly controlled situations.

For the record, I don't like the current purple-white color scheme, but there's a reason why they only modified it slightly. That means they don't have to redo all their packaging.

Hopefully they'll go towards a more swarm type of army, I'd like to see cost-effective hormigaunts.

Assuming the rumors come true, Gaunts will be 3 points, base, and come with WoN. That is, with weapons, they'll be 4 points. That's right where they should be, in my opinion.

Hormagaunts will be 6 points but will not have WoN built in. You'll have to pay 3 points/model if you want it. That will not be worthwhile, I don't think. I'm reasonably certain that 3 Hormies beat 2 recyclable ones in just about every circumstance. You want that charge to be as effective as possible since every subsequent combat round will be all sorts of terrible, thanks to No Retreat (assuming we don't get some sort of work-around for that).

In related news, I'm really hoping they fix they way synapse just murders Gaunts. Yeah, they're supposed to be expendable, but it doesn't seem like basically making 2 of them die per wound the unit takes is a good way to represent that quality.

Man I'm glad I didn't scrap my nids hopefully this dex will be full of epicness.

MilkmanAl wrote:In related news, I'm really hoping they fix they way synapse just murders Gaunts. Yeah, they're supposed to be expendable, but it doesn't seem like basically making 2 of them die per wound the unit takes is a good way to represent that quality.

With the points cut and free WoN, I suspect they aren't going to do anything about No Retreat wounds. Looks to me like they want them to die in droves and then be recycled. Which means we won't be able to tarpit much, and combo assaults involving Gaunts will be a liability. Maybe I'm wrong, but if not I'm really going to have to sit down and think about how to make a horde work with those limitations. It'll be very different. I'm obviously getting well ahead of myself, but I'm already wondering if I'll end up fielding only Hormagaunts.

Hey, look what I found. Biotitan....
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=4600015a#

Bah Nevermind, it's just the FW model... Sorry, I jumped the gun.

Yeah, I agree. The free WoN is a fairly telling sign that the No Retreat/synapse=Fearless combo is here to stay. I'm still holding out hope that synapse will give LD10 Stubborn that also applies to pinning, but meh. I doubt that'll happen.

It's going to be difficult to keep units of 20+ Gaunts from getting into multiple combats, and it seems like that's what it will take to make them effective. Crush things on the charge, and hope you kill enough to keep the combat in your favor while also hoping he doesn't stick that other unit of marines in and hose you. Coordinating that is going to be fun.

Despite not having WoN, it looks like Hormies are going to be the way to go. As reported, they sound like they're back to their old ways of holding up/disrupting stuff for that crucial turn or two while everything closes. At 6 points each, they're actually useful for the sacrificial lamb role. 10 points per is a crime.

On the flip side, I'm not convinced that WoN for Gaunts will be particularly useful for combat purposes. Yeah, they can run back up to the fight with reckless abandon, but even if your opponent has ventured into your deployment zone, you're going to have to get pretty lucky to have them do something other than just move (and run) during the turn they come back. I don't know that the off chance of swarming something late in the game is all that wonderful of an ability. Clearly, though, that's why it's going to be free now. We shall see.

yeah, harlies and things were suplemental armys to existing core armies (IG, eldar, etc.)

Scrapping DE would be a pretty lame thing to do, and I agree, the outrage alone will lose GW a lot of money. If they've already invested so much time and resources, and as an earlier poster mentioned finished half the line of models, it makes more sense to actually release them than scrap em. I mean, Nids' are about as played as DE, and I think DE would get played more if they had a new codex and models!