"New Dark Eldar"... 100% absolutely confirmed by GW. Hell officially "a bit chilly".

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**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:Sheesh J.H.D.D., I was kidding!

Sensitive much?

I know, I saw the smiley.

Nah, just a stickler for accuracy.

**BrookM**

Hmm, okay. Wow.

**plastictrees**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Alpharius wrote:Given how the date was picked rather arbitrarily, and given J.H.D.D.'s conviction that they'd NEVER be out, he should really allow the +/- one month(ish) and just accept the LOSS like a man!!!

If we go back a couple years to when the wager was made, that might be helpful in understanding things:

On 10/11/2008, Yakface threw down the gauntlet declaring that DE would be released "in the next two years" and "Phil Kelly is writing the codex and Jes Goodwin is sculpting an entirely new line of models. Both have confirmed this fact at the last LAGD. "
- Yakface set the date, not I.

On 10/11/2008, I accepted the challenge, with clarification of the terms for winning and losing.
- Yakface wins if a Phil Kelly DE Codex appears with Jes minis by 10/10/10
- I win if nothing before 10/10/10
- otherwise it's a push

On 10/14/2008, Yakface accepted, and the wager was on.

As you can see from the message trail, the actual dates were never within my control, although I did offer to test Yakface's conviction by asking if he wanted to start his clock with GD Spain (2/18/2008). Realistically, I expected him to win within the first 3-6 months. The fact that it looks to go the full duration is interesting, given how hot the DE rumors over the year were leading up to the wager.

BTW, I have *huge* respect for Yakface for having the stones to throw down the gauntlet. Nobody else had the stones to do it at the time. And nobody else was willing to pick it up...

Anyhow, Alphy, now that we're at the point of finally seeing the wager complete, it's amusing that you're so eager to want to change the conditions that were laid down two years ago, as I don't recall *you* stepping up and getting another naysayer on the hook.

Finally, it's not 10/10/10 yet. We still have nearly a month to go before the wager formally closes. See you in about a month.

Mini release wagers are serious business. I think we can all appreciate the serious intestinal fortitude it took for everyone involved to ~~continue reading anything you post~~ be part of such a monumental undertaking.

**JohnHwangDD**

Did an ant just pass wind?

**MajorTom11**

This is like the 3rd time I have witnessed Alphy win a wager in these forums and get shut down on technicalities... poor Alphy, can't catch a break!

**Illumini**

Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

**JohnHwangDD**

MajorTom11 wrote:This is like the 3rd time I have witnessed Alphy win a wager in these forums and get shut down on technicalities... poor Alphy, can't catch a break!

Have you got a link to what you're talking about?

**MajorTom11**

I don't remember, I think it was a bet with Kan or something lol, these wagers never seem to go well lol!

**plastictrees**

I half expected the Incubi to be a metal/plastic set based on the new warriors, but I guess GW don't really do that sort of thing anymore.

Assuming he's the sculptor, when was the last time we had full metal minis by Goodwin?

**Ketara**

So to clarify then John, DE don't actually have to have been released, we just need to have who wrote the rulebook, and who sculpted the miniatures clarified by the 10th?

That's still possible. Could go either way,

**BrassScorpion**

If the Incubi and Mandrakes are still going to be metal then given what the price of metal miniatures is these days I'll probably stick with my existing minis. Mandrakes are adequate and Incubi still look cool. I like a bit of retro in my armies anyway.

I will be interested to see how the plastic sets look. A less fragile and fiddly Talos model made of plastic would be cool.

**KPCommissar**

Illumini wrote:
Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

idk, man. I was kind of thinking the same thing. The newest codexes are always the best, right? So why not use the latest one for your army?

Though when I switched from Space Wolves to Blood Angels, I started losing more games than I'd like.

I may get some speeders to counts-as those Dark Eldar skimmer things, and run my marines as counts-as Dark Eldar as well.

**JohnHwangDD**

MajorTom11 wrote:I don't remember, I think it was a bet with Kan or something lol, these wagers never seem to go well lol!

Oh, OK. I was wondering if I had somehow missed something.
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Ketara wrote:So to clarify then John, DE don't actually have to have been released, we just need to have who wrote the rulebook, and who sculpted the miniatures clarified by the 10th?

No, it has to be released. See Yakface's original post.

**ceorron**

This is not true, april fool. Oh wait that was done already.

OMG, OMG this must be really.

Oh wait this isn't april...... Ahhhhh

Sorry for all the taunting. I take it back Dark Eldar may yet get a second release.

8D

**Wraithlordmechanic**

Well if they aren't getting squatted (sad face), I'll just have to hope the new models and fluff will make me tolerate their existence

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It does make me chuckle that they never actually mention a new codex, just new 'Dark Eldar'.

I'm still grinning like a Cheshire cat.

Good news/ Bad news

**Red Corsair**

I just want to see some pics!!!!!

**MeanGreenStompa**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
O hai, for several years that I was absolutely sure Dark eldar were getting squatted just like my own beloved dogs of war, it seems I was actually wrong.

I'd like to take the time to humbly apologise for all the threads I pulled into the abyss in the meanwhile...

**puma713**

Darth Bob wrote:I'm still not convinced.

Heavily implied sarcasm.

I know that was sarcasm, but "the Studio has made some brand-new Dark Eldar" doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence. Usually, when there is a codex release, they are pretty proud of it and they let you know.

Hopefully, the vaguery of it is because it is still a couple of weeks out and it'll start to shape up into a whole new release. However, "some brand-new Dark Eldar" sounds like a couple of new boxes, not an entire range + codex.

**Vhalyar**

KPCommissar wrote:
Illumini wrote:
Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

idk, man. I was kind of thinking the same thing. The newest codexes are always the best, right? So why not use the latest one for your army?

Though when I switched from Space Wolves to Blood Angels, I started losing more games than I'd like.

I may get some speeders to counts-as those Dark Eldar skimmer things, and run my marines as counts-as Dark Eldar as well.

KPCommissar gets the idea. I wasn't joking, why would you think that

Going to use my rhinos to count as ravagers. While people will be scrambling to paint their stuff, I'll be playing the codex

And if it doesn't pan out competitively, I can just go back to Blood Angels or Space Wolves until Grey Knights roll out. Missile Spam with the SW is awesome.

Edit:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

Well ok, whatever floats your boat. But we wouldn't even play each other at first because you'd be busy buying and painting models while I'd actually play people

**COMMANDER SUNTZU**

So are they just bringing out a codex and some new models or are they completely redesigning the dark eldar?

**InventionThirteen**

I think I just died. Like heart stop died. Oh sweet geeky heaven!!!!

Someone slap me?

**Kirasu**

So.. Dark eldar is going to beat duke nukem forever?! Amazing!

**KPCommissar**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

**H.B.M.C.**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
O hai, for several years that I was absolutely sure Dark eldar were getting squatted just like my own beloved dogs of war, it seems I was actually wrong.

I'd like to take the time to humbly apologise for all the threads I pulled into the abyss in the meanwhile...

Nice one MGS.

And anyone here who's surprised to see Johnny trying to weasel his way out of this wager, raise your hand please.

No one? No one?

*crickets chirp*

Didn't think so.

JohnnyHDD:

Well, I do so hope, my dear, dear, Hwangman, that after years of flame baiting and trolling people who wanted a new DE army that you enjoy that heaping big slice of humble pie. I've said it to you a dozen times in the past on a number of issues, but, really, it's never felt any better than this:

You were wrong.

Ah! Feels liberating.

**timetowaste85**

It would be so much more fun if Duke Nukem Forever and Dark Eldar were slated for 12/22/12-then the naysayers AND the hopefuls would do a massive facepalm. I'd give that a thumbs up for hilarity's sake. But rest assured, I'm excited for dark eldar-the models mostly...I will probably play them, regardless of how well they play, but mostly because of how beautiful the sculpts will probably be. If the sculpts suck...I won't play. Art will inspire me here, not codex creep

**juraigamer**

Dark eldar are no longer safe from updates... update your relevant images!

Need time with photoshop...

**Illumini**

KPCommissar wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

Well, stupid as this idea is, you can of course do whatever you please in friendly games as long as you can keep finding opponents. It won't fly in tournaments, I don't have to spend my time playing guys like you, so have fun with your proxyhammer

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Don't want codex creep just something to justify £17.50 on a book that will fall apart after 2 weeks.

**timetowaste85**

Not to derail the thread Illumini, but how do you feel about one set of SM models to be used with any/all SM variants? I play BA, but I also have a vanilla codex, SWs, BT, Chaos and I'll get DA eventually. All of my models are appropriately armed for whatever army is playing them, just the paint jobs and symbols are all BA. Actually, everyone I know who has SM models does the same-in tournaments locally even. 'Course, I run the tourney's in my FLGS and I have no problem with it, but other than testing out armies...yea, different species shouldn't count for proxying in tourneys.

To rerail the thread-can't wait for a plastic Talos-might buy a couple just on looks alone!