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H.B.M.C. wrote:

gorgon wrote:I hope so, but somehow I don't think we're going to get "the big reveal" at GDUK, just a limited reveal.

Maybe they learnt something from the whole 'mystery box' debacle from last year and have decided that stringing your customer base along with the promise of an announcement (only to give them nothing and deliver it via E-mail the day after the event) is a bad idea, and that they will, for once, use their annual trade show to show off new minis.

Personally, I'd structure the release with GDUK in mind for maximum hype synergies.

But I only work in marketing, what do I know...?

puma713 wrote:

Manchu wrote:What kinds of new characters are expected? I'm guessing no psyker . . .

I hope Kruellagh gets better rules. I really love her model. The Emasculators title, however, gives me the shivers.

Is there a reason behind that, btw? My brother and I were discussing what might be in the new codex and we were dicussing psykers. Is there a backstory as to why there are no dark farseers or locks?

Likening it to the prophecy that a male sorceror would destroy Malekith, so no male sorcerors are allowed, is there a story behind the lack of psykers for DE?

Back on topic - if they don't get psykers, we were thinking that they may have some nice psychic defense or psychic-muting abilities/wargear. But I guess we'll have to see.

Psykers draw the attention of the Chaos powers by using their abilities. The DE are trying to avoid Slaneesh's attention where possible, and appease him/her/it with the souls of captured slaves when they have to. A DE psyker would merely act as a beacon, especially since DE don't have (at least in the current fluff) access to all of the Eldar stuff that protects their psykers from Chaotic incursions into their minds.

On topic:

A while back, I had heard a rumor of either a new weapon or a modification of the blaster with the following stats:

Assault 1, S6, Range 6", Melta, Lance

This would make it death on vehicles if you could get within 3", but the short range would provide some balance to that. Has anyone else heard that rumor or know where it might have come from?

Maybe it's on the rumored Slaughterer?

Makes a kind of sense, put it on a skimmer variant with light armor to offset the melta/lance bit?

Kanluwen wrote:Maybe it's on the rumored Slaughterer?

Makes a kind of sense, put it on a skimmer variant with light armor to offset the melta/lance bit?

I honestly don't know if it exists at all. It was a rumor I read quite a while ago, but I've never seen it repeated by anyone I consider reputable. Considering the crazy short range, I think it more likely to be an infantry weapon designed to go on an assault oriented squad; pop the vehicle and assault what comes out.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Phil Kelly wrote the Wolves Codex.

The Wolves Codex has Jaws.

Figure out the rest yourself.

You mean to say it'll contain a rule or item or ability that in theory seems powerful but in practice is not that bad, but people still freak out over it?

Sounds about par for the course.

puma713 wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:I was personally hoping for dark avatar and some sort of farseer like psycher, I always thought the avatar was almost more fitting in the dark eldar dex considering a blood sacrifice of a youg prince is required and I never thought it seemed very appropriate for the good elves, haha. Maybe I will convert my own ans use him as a stand in for the Talos....

The Eldar are not 'good', per se.

Exactly. A lot of the Avatar lore seems to fit in with the ancient solstice legends of various cultures that would ceremonially sacrifice someone (possibly after giving them a promotion to 'king' for a day) to bring back the sun and warm weather fromt he depths of winter. Very appropriate for the Eldar, as many of these stories are from celtic roots.

I'm glad to hear that Phil Kelly will write the 'dex. He knows best (from the writing team) the background of the Eldar kin.

I don't like that DE are now getting the same pointy hats that Eldar are known for. A step in the wrong direction in my book. Their current helmets are clumpy and too tall, but they had some potential that minor tweaks could have done wonders for...
I hope Goodwin got the new heads right... To me they look too Eldaresque, but I only have that one pic to base my opinion on.

DE don't particularly like psykers, but they do like sucking the souls out of them...

Expect anti psycher wargear.

I dont mean to split hairs here, but offering up the blood of a young prince to awaken a bloody handed god of war seems a bit "dark." I didnt say they should pull it from the craftworld eldar dex, but that it is definitely right up the ally for their dark kin. Have you all seen the dark elf blood altar....the totem of kain on the altar of blood looks just like a certain avatar from 40k...

As far as celtic lore and pagonistic sacrifice is concerned, just because GW decided to draw inspiration and make parallels to this doesn't mean they should limit themselves to it.

Uh, Corsair, it IS the same god. Khaine. He's the god of slaughter and murder in both mythologies. Isha, Kurnuous and Eldanesh are also in both settings.

I do hope that the DE are somehow connected to the traditional Eldar mythology as well. A bit more rootedness would be good for them- they are in fact closer to the condition of most pre-fall Eldar society. The craftworld types were the social deviants- puritans who took to the stars. It'll be great if we get a few more glimpses of pre-Fall Eldar society via the new DE fluff.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:DE don't particularly like psykers, but they do like sucking the souls out of them...

Expect anti psycher wargear.

Let's hope so! The whole dynamic of DE thinking that psykers are irresistibly fun to torture has been grossly underused. I hope they keep that bit of DE fluff... And expand on it!

i realy cant wait to seee the new dark eldar rules and models. i dont play Dark eldar, but if it follows old codexs it would be nice to see how it goes and to see how people play it. i would love to see mad players spamming Dark eldar just to have some new armies on the tabletop!

Archonate wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:DE don't particularly like psykers, but they do like sucking the souls out of them...

Let's hope so! The whole dynamic of DE thinking that psykers are irresistibly fun to torture has been grossly underused. I hope they keep that bit of DE fluff... And expand on it!

Yeah, it's all fun and games until an Alpha-level Psyker loses control and gets possessed by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I hope the DE Codex is more like the Marine one than the Guard one.

Over-powered with a side order of redonkulous special characters?

Maybe make them Blood Angels with a side order of Montrous Creatures?

*sigh* Are you just here to try and annoy people?

He mentions the short comings of the marine codex, that he likes it out of the humor of how blatant GW is at time in pushing models. He's obviously speaking in relativistic terms with a load of sarcasm, than to imply wanting them to be specifically like either. I'd like them to be more like Marines though; you know a thicker book with more fluff. Or maybe an army that is fully represented with models.

aka_mythos wrote:*sigh* Are you just here to try and annoy people?

This.


There's nothing wrong with the Marine Codex because it's flaws make it a better Codex, IMO. As I said, it is so blatant and so unsubtle that it can't be anything but good. It's the Codex equivalent of a movie that's so bad it's good.

Updated the (rules) summary with Waaagh_Gonads information.

Some tidbit by Harry on the warriors hanging from the Raider:

There seems to be an assumption that these 'hangers on' are transported troops. When I heard about them I assumed they were crew .... Raving lunatics that 'hang off' the side with knives in their teeth slashing at anything within range and hurling themselves at passing landspeeder storms in piratical boarding actions. Generally adding to the offensive capability of the ship rather than the ship being just a transporter.

Savnock wrote:Uh, Corsair, it IS the same god. Khaine. He's the god of slaughter and murder in both mythologies. Isha, Kurnuous and Eldanesh are also in both settings.

I do hope that the DE are somehow connected to the traditional Eldar mythology as well. A bit more rootedness would be good for them- they are in fact closer to the condition of most pre-fall Eldar society. The craftworld types were the social deviants- puritans who took to the stars. It'll be great if we get a few more glimpses of pre-Fall Eldar society via the new DE fluff.

Eldanesh is in fantasy? Where?

Scottywan82 wrote:

Savnock wrote:Uh, Corsair, it IS the same god. Khaine. He's the god of slaughter and murder in both mythologies. Isha, Kurnuous and Eldanesh are also in both settings.

I do hope that the DE are somehow connected to the traditional Eldar mythology as well. A bit more rootedness would be good for them- they are in fact closer to the condition of most pre-fall Eldar society. The craftworld types were the social deviants- puritans who took to the stars. It'll be great if we get a few more glimpses of pre-Fall Eldar society via the new DE fluff.

Eldanesh is in fantasy? Where?

Probably in some obscure paragraph in an obscure novel or something

Nah I have no idea anyone beyond Khaine was mentioned

Athera wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I hope the DE Codex is more like the Marine one than the Guard one.

Over-powered with a side order of redonkulous special characters?

Maybe make them Blood Angels with a side order of Montrous Creatures?

You know, back before GW re-did the Codex: CSM, I didn't have a problem with that Codex, even though I had not started playing Chaos yet. I loved how interesting and flexible the possible armies were. I didn't want that Codex nerfed; I wanted all the other Codices brought up to a comparable level of power and flavor.

So, I wouldn't have a problem with the DE Codex being equivalent in "cheese" to the recent Marine variant codices, not one problem at all.

Kroothawk wrote:Updated the (rules) summary with Waaagh_Gonads information.

Some tidbit by Harry on the warriors hanging from the Raider:

There seems to be an assumption that these 'hangers on' are transported troops. When I heard about them I assumed they were crew .... Raving lunatics that 'hang off' the side with knives in their teeth slashing at anything within range and hurling themselves at passing landspeeder storms in piratical boarding actions. Generally adding to the offensive capability of the ship rather than the ship being just a transporter.

Oh man that would be so funny! A unit assaults a ravager, DE player laughs *SURPRISE PIRATE BUTT SECKS!!!* and a bunch of warriors jump off counter charge the unit and the ravager runs off to safety. That would be really, really kool.

From understanding the Slaughterer has lots of anti infantry with transport capacity as well.

Congrats Kroothawk, your rumors got their very own article on BoLS!

Luthon1234 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Updated the (rules) summary with Waaagh_Gonads information.

Some tidbit by Harry on the warriors hanging from the Raider:

There seems to be an assumption that these 'hangers on' are transported troops. When I heard about them I assumed they were crew .... Raving lunatics that 'hang off' the side with knives in their teeth slashing at anything within range and hurling themselves at passing landspeeder storms in piratical boarding actions. Generally adding to the offensive capability of the ship rather than the ship being just a transporter.

Oh man that would be so funny! A unit assaults a ravager, DE player laughs *SURPRISE PIRATE BUTT SECKS!!!* and a bunch of warriors jump off counter charge the unit and the ravager runs off to safety. That would be really, really kool.

No it would not.
It would make games needlessly frustrating.

I can't see why there wouldn't be an Avatar of Khaine, murder is his thang...

Dark Eldar love to torture and murder...

Khaine is a firm supporter of Amnesty International. He approves of the Dark Eldar's murdering policies but can not be associated with their torturing policies so he just stays out of the whole thing.
It's a Morally Dubious Eldar God election year after all.

InventionThirteen wrote:I can't see why there wouldn't be an Avatar of Khaine, murder is his thang...

Dark Eldar love to torture and murder...

Is not actually true.

In both WHFB+40k, Khaine is the god of bloodshed, destruction, war, and murder.

It's why he's called "The Bloody Handed" and has the 'Khaela Mensha' in front of his name.

In FB, Khaine's worshiped by the Dark Elves in his guise of the patron of murder(but is also worshiped by human assassins, footpads, etc etc in that same guise). High Elves and Wood Elves both venerate/acknowledge Khaine as the deity of war.

Ok, this doesn't suggest that an avatar to khaine wouldn't fit into the dark eldars ranks....

The problem is that the Avatar is formed by a combination of the essence of Khaine and wraithbone contained within an eldar craftworld. The Dark Eldar do not use wraithbone... which is the first problem. The second problem is that the prince needed to summon the avatar is always an exarch... a practitioner of the art of warfare. The Dark Eldar have no equivalent as they do not dedicate themselves to warfare but to torture, which as far as I know is not as aspect of khaine, thus there is a shortage of people who are devoted to him (and thus a shortage of people who can raise the avatar).