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Brother Heinrich wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So now this is a IG vs SM thread?

This is a grim dark sci fi. And this is WH40k. I don't understand how one can fit in while the other cannot.

The only thing I don't think fits in, IS ALL THESE HATERS!

and bullies....

here ya go.

My new facebook pic....

I look down at guardsmen... everytime i'm painting mine up

but in all seriousness, the group of guys i game with have a healthy respect for the guard (even though i am probably the first to be actively engaged in creating a guard army)

And besides, if the Warp is the "scariest" thing in the Imperium, then we guardsmen have something even more scary than Daemons, our own Commissars!

The ig are looked down on cus...
1. Loads of sm players out there, far less ig so the opinion is biased
2. When i think ig i think the people who always lose. I dont know why but i just do. Like on the de white dwarf this month they pawn the guard, whenever you have planetstrike pictures the imperial guard are the defenders about to be crushed by the attackers, the diorama at my local gw store is a small number of guard about to be overwhelmed by a horde of tyranids.

When I think IG I think the guys who always win.

My guys.

I dont look down on imperial gaurd,and I am a Marine player in my heart.
but..
I hate them,when i fight them with marines,as its hurt to see your terminators shred apart squad after squad,and the losing 1 or more of
these great heroes,to repeated lasgun fire. I kinda fear them, and in a 6+ player game of apoc,i would possibly make sure to eliminate the
gaurd players first.
BUT
I love them,when playing my nids,they are quite equally fluff-wise and on T-T
Fluff:they both field millions of troops
T-T:they get enormous dice buckets,especially gaurs squads rapid firing with orders,and genestealers in cc
I really respect them,as more than once my marines hit the dirt against them
Best sollution? GW bringing out new starter set,featuring gaurds and some other army (eldar maybe?)
Or just go kicking marine players long enough to bring them back in line

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So now this is a IG vs SM thread?

This is a grim dark sci fi. And this is WH40k. I don't understand how one can fit in while the other cannot.

The only thing I don't think fits in, IS ALL THESE HATERS!

and bullies....

here ya go.

My new facebook pic....

happy to oblige

I'm nid player I ight be biased, but IG are the Tyranid's main food source when it comes to armies.

I think that this is just GWs characterization of them. They are feared greatly as an army, and rightly so; it is just that they are prime material for a multitude of jokes.

Actually, it's cuz everyone else is jealous.

Well, to be serious: See the first paragraph.

Brother Heinrich wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So now this is a IG vs SM thread?

This is a grim dark sci fi. And this is WH40k. I don't understand how one can fit in while the other cannot.

The only thing I don't think fits in, IS ALL THESE HATERS!

and bullies....

here ya go.

My new facebook pic....

happy to oblige

Where'd you get that pic? I have that as a model.

The Guard well they are special. Why? Because they are the Backbone, the Astartes only fight one battle to the guards 1000. The Imperial Guard (don't cruxify me for saying this) lack a certain eliteness or finesse, they are The Emperors Sledgehammer ( not the Emperors Sword in the form of the Astartes). Guard Armies come in many flavours, but their tactics vary little, A static Gunline? A Mobile Mechanised force? A Mass aerial Assault force? They are a Juggernaut of a War Machine and in the hands of a Capable player can smash any army to pieces without barely raising a sweat. I have a lot of love for the guard, the bad reputation comes from those nasty moments when a Tyranid force or World Eater gets amongst your lines and it turns into carnage. That said The Guard have some fantastic units with some really annoying abilities Ogryns can smash even the toughest units (Yup Daemons and Carnifex beware!) The Heavy Artillery is second to none and if you use terrain well and funnel the enemy your Heavy weapons will mince the enemy by sheer volume of fire. When you bring heavy ordance down like the Rain, even astartes go down quickly. AP3 will make Marines run for the hills

The Guard represent us, the mortal, not very special human beings who work to together and with meagre weapons and training face off against the horrific, the long odds of survival and the impossible moral dilemmas. Human courage is an amazing thing and it is only in extreme situations that it comes to the fore. We can all relate to the Guard, but honestly would you like to serve such an organisation? I know I wouldn't. As John Wayne said "Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway". That is why we all mock them, because the poor Guardsmen don't stand a chance and yet there they go off to war........Think of the World War One and I cannot believe all those brave young men who walked calmly into no mans land, to be cut down by machine guns and Artillery.......It is the ordinary doing the extra-ordinary. Think of the Firefighters on 9/11 they knew they had no chance, but they carried on anyway. The Human Spirit, it cannot be truly destroyed, compassion, selflessness, sacrafice and the belief in hope even when it is unwarranted.

I'm nid player I ight be biased, but IG are the Tyranid's main food source when it comes to armies.

Very much so, (in the fluff). But on the tabletop its usually in the IG favor. Tyranid just dont have that "we have billions upon billions of claws and maws waiting to rip you apart'' advantage.

I play the Tyranid to and I love them on the tabletop and in the fluff. Sometimes though the fluff is different from the actual game itself.

Anyways though, back to the point. In the fluff there are billions and billions of Tyranid and ALOT of IG so this make ALOT of biomass.

Well since Space Marines are 10 feet tall, they literally can't help but look down on them.

Monster Rain wrote:Well since Space Marines are 10 feet tall, they literally can't help but look down on them.

It wouldn't kill them to kneel.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Well since Space Marines are 10 feet tall, they literally can't help but look down on them.

It wouldn't kill them to kneel.

Superheavies would cut them to 5 feet.

Yeah, 5 feet under.






see what I did there?

Brother Heinrich wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Oh, the Hammerhead's nice, but it doesn't have that boxy "come-at-me-bro" aesthetic that the Leman Russ has.

Which is funny, since IG commanders can't even take claws

They can in Dawn of War.

Man I wish I was a 10ft SM, I'd make all the haters bow to my superior power! Especially being on a Thunderwolf, man I'd be like 18ft, talk about a small building that's going to rip you in half. No one would say sh**!

lol Ahh...it's good to dream.

Bluntly answering the topic question, because they're guardsmen.

There should be a new codex for the SM basketball chapter! Can you imagine the possibilities!

Yes! 100th post! Welcome to scuttling genestealer!

Ig have crappy guns and some people think they're better than SM just cause of their size. Well if some one had 5000 guardsmen with lasguns that kill about .1 SM and I brought 100 SM that can kill 10 guardsmen with a single bullet, whos better now? Even the SM hate the IG.

ironhand45 wrote:Ig have crappy guns and some people think they're better than SM just cause of their size. Well if some one had 5000 guardsmen with lasguns that kill about .1 SM and I brought 100 SM that can kill 10 guardsmen with a single bullet, whos better now? Even the SM hate the IG.

This post...it is quite ignorant; the IG ARE better than Space Marines because of their size, because with size comes staying power and the ability to actually hold ground rather than perform surgical strikes. And 5000 Guardsmen, let alone veterans or a whole regiment with proper support, would kill 100 Space Marines...unless this is some mary-sue stuff where the marines are ridiculously overdone

Because there's a couple of hundred of them and six and a half million of us.

Guardsmen are common, some people like to think they themselves are elite because they play elite soldier armies, but its not always the case.

In the battle reports in WD it's easy to tailor a guard army to be bettered, thats why they "always lose" so they can push the new shiney army that wouldn't have done half as well as the previous battles list.

ironhand45 wrote:Ig have crappy guns and some people think they're better than SM just cause of their size. Well if some one had 5000 guardsmen with lasguns that kill about .1 SM and I brought 100 SM that can kill 10 guardsmen with a single bullet, whos better now? Even the SM hate the IG.

Huh? Where on earth are you getting those absolutely *ridiculous* numbers? And in what fluff do the SM's hate the IG? Sounds like Fanwank if I've ever seen it.

That said, even at ratio, the massed forces of the Imperial Guard could destroy the entirety of the Adeptus Astartes and not notice the casualties. 5000 guardsmen each killing 0.1 SM's is going to kill 500 Space Marines. 100 Space Marines each killing 10 Guardsmen is going to kill 1000 Guardsmen.

I actually look up to guard and thier players,it takes skill to p
Lay IG.another point is that little 5'9 john smith with a flak jacket and a lasgun sitting in a trench getting shot at by the pure fear of the warp terrors takes b@lls,I look down at these space marines players who say "guard is weeksause,space muhreens is 1337"

You've got to admit that a 10 foot tall walking tank with big ass gun and a bad ass attitude is pretty cool.

Ive never had the opportunity to play guard and I look forward to getting my ass handed to me when I eventually do.

The way I look at it IG could field a leman russ for every SM in the galaxy. Super armor and a boltgun dont mean gak when you get hit by a shell as big as your body.

Jubear wrote:Ive never had the opportunity to play guard and I look forward to getting my ass handed to me when I eventually do.

The way I look at it IG could field a leman russ for every SM in the galaxy. Super armor and a boltgun dont mean gak when you get hit by a shell as big as your body.

I lol'd, I don't mean to stir up arguments about who is better, I was just wondering why it's that way. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion I guess...
but comon, who need's power armour when you've got tanks the size of houses???

If you've read helsreach then you'll see that SM think nothing of the IG and that they can't fight worth anything.

ironhand45 wrote:If you've read helsreach then you'll see that SM think nothing of the IG and that they can't fight worth anything.

Funny how the Imperium would inarguably crumble without those who "can't fight worth anything"