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IG are Human Every thing eles is not.

Brother Heinrich wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Oh, the Hammerhead's nice, but it doesn't have that boxy "come-at-me-bro" aesthetic that the Leman Russ has.

^this^ = WIN!

Zweischneid wrote:I just don't think the IG feels very 40K.

It's Space Marines that aren't 40k.

40k is about the despair of humans desperately fighting an endless horde of monstrous barbarians and knowing that when you kill one, a dozen more will come a few months later on. 40k is about a planet fending off an unending ravenous swarm of beasts that know neither pain nor fear. 40k is about the insidious corruption from within and beyond; even as humanity struggles to survive against the xenos they must also contend with traitors from within and the daemons from beyond. 40k is about humanity fighting against the will of a superior alien race, pitching massed tracked tanks against superadvanced, insanely maneuverable hovercraft. 40k is about the struggle of humanity to survive in a galaxy of fearsome, loathsome creatures that would gladly destroy us, consume us, or corrupt us into something far less than human.

Space Marines aren't even human. They don't despair, they don't feel fear. Space Marines aren't really grimdark.

The Imperial Guard, however... is entirely about human struggle and the will to win, even if it means a great deal of us have to die. We will fight, we will survive, grimly holding on to everything that is good about humanity amidst the darkness of an unforgiving galaxy populated by laughing, uncaring gods.

Actually Deathwatch RPG says that SMs understand and experience fear,but they control it and channel it to a much greater degree than any normal man,but again that is FFG fluff(height of the marines in their RPG is slightly over 2.1 m).

I dont know what your talking about. I play SM and LOVE IG. The only thing that stops me from playing them is cost. If I had a thousand dollars I would make a massive IG army.

Zweischneid wrote:

Field Marshall Terry wrote:Why is the Imperial Guard often looked down on? and on top of that most the Space Marine players that I've met over the years think the SM outnumber the Imperial Guard on a galactic scale.
Now anyone that knows fluff knows that's totally the other way around.

I know that there is the sort of joking fued between the Guard and Marines like the US Army and USMC, but it always seems that everyone looks down on the Guard other than the people that Ally with them or Play them.

I just don't think the IG feels very 40K.

40K is about genetically engineered supersoldiers charging head-first with their chainswords into jetbike-riding wizard-elves, mushroom-grown space-hooligans on wrecking-ball-toting buggies, tentacle-wielding evil-engineered supersoldiers from the netherrealm or egyptian terminator-robots from before time.

If I wan't to play more "realistic" armies with an aesthetic akin to real armies, I'd play FoW or some such.

I can see why GW added the IG (long before FoW was ever made) to tap into the huge market of historical wargamers, military-afficiandos and wanna-be-navy-seals. But still, IG armies always feel like they "ended up in the wrong movie". They are about as fitting as Rambo walking onto a scene in Star Wars and shooting away with a machine gun. I like Rambo, don't get me wrong, but in its own place.

I wish the threadheads would stay out of my space-fantasy. It's not like I show up with a Nid army to a FoW-game either.

The Imperial Guard has been in the game as long as the Space Marines have, and the IG differ far less from their origins than the Space Marines do (SM's in RT were T3 4+sv dudes who only got a 5+sv against a lasgun and Leman Russ was a simple SM Commander, the only difference for guardsmen is that their lasguns had an Armor Save Modifier and they had a 6+ sv instead of a 5+ and they were called the Imperial Army instead of Guard).

I wish the knights of yore would stay out of my scifi setting sometimes.

The IG are a wonderful expression of the 40k universe, and a much better reflection of the Imperium as a whole than the Space Marines could ever dream to be. The IG is a large, unstoppable, immovable, bueraucratic hammer, where stuff happens as a result of actions centuries before and decisions made decades earlier, and billions of lives are lost in paperwork that gets misfiled.

So now this is a IG vs SM thread?

This is a grim dark sci fi. And this is WH40k. I don't understand how one can fit in while the other cannot.

The only thing I don't think fits in, IS ALL THESE HATERS!

and bullies....

What do you mean "now"? It was pretty much always that subject.

It pretty much started out as SM vs IG. The person asked why they were looked down upon and the obvious answer would be because SM are super cool powered armour beasts and IG are guys with flashlights. (Not my opinion I tend to lean toward the guard a bit more). Not to mention I love the fluff of 40k, and Tyranid vs IG stories sound insanely epic, thats why i like them a bit more.

Not trying to bring nids where they dont belong, just explaining my choice of IG.

IG are the normal guys in a world of super warriors.
They are like Batman to Superman.
Batman is much more epic because he doesn't have powers.
IG are heroes in every way that matters. But SM get a higher kill-count/score.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:It pretty much started out as SM vs IG. The person asked why they were looked down upon and the obvious answer would be because SM are super cool powered armour beasts and IG are guys with flashlights. (Not my opinion I tend to lean toward the guard a bit more). Not to mention I love the fluff of 40k, and Tyranid vs IG stories sound insanely epic, thats why i like them a bit more.

Not trying to bring nids where they dont belong, just explaining my choice of IG.

Well one of the memorable moments is when the Commander Cherenkov beats 'Nids by just sending wave of wave guardsmen to die for the lulz.

Well one of the memorable moments is when the Commander Cherenkov beats 'Nids by just sending wave of wave guardsmen to die for the lulz.

haha thats why I love IG vs Tyranid fluff! they throw troops at eachother until one is dead, the thought of how much carnage both sides endure seems so epic. I cant Imagine what the frontlines are like in something like that.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Well one of the memorable moments is when the Commander Cherenkov beats 'Nids by just sending wave of wave guardsmen to die for the lulz.

haha thats why I love IG vs Tyranid fluff! they throw troops at eachother until one is dead, the thought of how much carnage both sides endure seems so epic. I cant Imagine what the frontlines are like in something like that.

I imagine they are mushy...

purplefood wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Well one of the memorable moments is when the Commander Cherenkov beats 'Nids by just sending wave of wave guardsmen to die for the lulz.

haha thats why I love IG vs Tyranid fluff! they throw troops at eachother until one is dead, the thought of how much carnage both sides endure seems so epic. I cant Imagine what the frontlines are like in something like that.

I imagine they are mushy...

And tasty.

Its ther sheer amount of firepower the IG have. You can have 200 infantry for 1000 points, plus the ability to field tanks with every heavy weapon you can think of. Also, most of the tanks are equipped with Ordnance which devastates units in cover and anything with a 3+ save/

SanguinaryGuard wrote:Its ther sheer amount of firepower the IG have. You can have 200 infantry for 1000 points, plus the ability to field tanks with every heavy weapon you can think of. Also, most of the tanks are equipped with Ordnance which devastates units in cover and anything with a 3+ save/

Oh Christ,not the game mechanics.
In fluff IG crushes almost everyone(even more so with the support of the Adeptus Mechanicus).

Well ya, have you ever had a couple million flashlights pointing at you and a couple of friends? Me either but Id imagine its bright and probably painful

I hate that idiotic "flashlight" moniker.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Well ya, have you ever had a couple million flashlights pointing at you and a couple of friends? Me either but Id imagine its bright and probably painful

You mean this picture! http://1d4chan.org/images/f/f3/Guardsmen.jpg
Guardsman is a man, just like you, though he grew up in another culture. He has no millennia-old genetic engineering, no prophetic leader, no miracles of faith. He has his lasgun, his orders, and his fellow soldiers.
Also they have balls of steel.


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Melissia wrote:I hate that idiotic "flashlight" moniker.

Me too,Lasguns is much,much more powerful than flashlight and modern infatry rifle!

You mean this picture! http://1d4chan.org/images/f/f3/Guardsmen.jpg
Guardsman is a man, just like you, though he grew up in another culture. He has no millennia-old genetic engineering, no prophetic leader, no miracles of faith. He has his lasgun, his orders, and his fellow soldiers.
Also they have balls of steel.

Haha thats hilarious! I love the end with the inquisition guy saying we know where you live

sry bout the flashlight comments, I heard the flashlight thing the first day I started tabletop gaming. It was the first insullt I heard of any Army in 40k

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So now this is a IG vs SM thread?

This is a grim dark sci fi. And this is WH40k. I don't understand how one can fit in while the other cannot.

The only thing I don't think fits in, IS ALL THESE HATERS!

and bullies....

here ya go.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Well ya, have you ever had a couple million flashlights pointing at you and a couple of friends? Me either but Id imagine its bright and probably painful

Irony: Lasguns are powerful enough to burn through a power armoured helmet, if used on the max setting. Not so much a flashlight as the surgical laser of DOOM.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Well ya, have you ever had a couple million flashlights pointing at you and a couple of friends? Me either but Id imagine its bright and probably painful

Irony: Lasguns are powerful enough to burn through a power armoured helmet, if used on the max setting. Not so much a flashlight as the surgical laser of DOOM.

Hotshot you mean.

You know wat? i think that is a much better term for them! thankyou!

IvanTih wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Well ya, have you ever had a couple million flashlights pointing at you and a couple of friends? Me either but Id imagine its bright and probably painful

Irony: Lasguns are powerful enough to burn through a power armoured helmet, if used on the max setting. Not so much a flashlight as the surgical laser of DOOM.

Hotshot you mean.

Depends, some regular lasguns have multiple settings. You get something like 3 shots that could blow a marine's head off. Hotshots have adapted battery cells to allow the user to have more shots, and so aren't quite the same thing.

Fafnir wrote:There are basically one million guardsmen for every space marine.

Oh, far more than that.

Enough that the IG could easily defeat the SMs by simply lying down and dying on top of them. The SM's power and life support would run out before they could tunnel through the colossal mountain of bodies.

If only it were possible to arrange. Nicely Grimdark, I think.

Much like that story in one of the Hunter Quatermain books about the Zulu king who ordered his troops to put out a huge bonfire by jumping into it. And they did.

Ah, yes. Great days, great days! Will we ever see their like again?

Kilkrazy wrote:

Fafnir wrote:There are basically one million guardsmen for every space marine.

Oh, far more than that.

Enough that the IG could easily defeat the SMs by simply lying down and dying on top of them. The SM's power and life support would run out before they could tunnel through the colossal mountain of bodies.

If only it were possible to arrange. Nicely Grimdark, I think.

Much like that story in one of the Hunter Quatermain books about the Zulu king who ordered his troops to put out a huge bonfire by jumping into it. And they did.

Ah, yes. Great days, great days! Will we ever see their like again?

I would pay money to watch that... ahh just imagining it makes me want to make it happen somehow.


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Also the Ciaphas Cain novels are my favorite imagining of IG apart from the The First and Only novels.

Brother Heinrich wrote:exactly, the Space Marines are as elite as the Inquisition in a sense, they are the fine scalpel with which the Imperium can swiftly end a conflict before it ever starts (ideally). The Imperial Guard, aka "the Hammer of the Emperor" are the permanent plan B of the Imperium. If at first you don't succeed, throw a million guardsmen at it.

I'd argue the Guard were in fact the plan A, with the marines being the plan "Are they near enough to take part?"

Exactly like the spartan program from halo IMO

I would pay money to watch that... ahh just imagining it makes me want to make it happen somehow.

And you would definitely pay for not lying in the middle of the pile