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BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Brightsword invaded Nimbosa, killed every single living human on the planet,After attacking a company of Space Marines and slaughtering two regiments he was recalled for attracting the IoM'S attention and the IoM sent the templars to eradicate all Tau from nimbosa.

Great idea. Killing civilians and getting your ass handed.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
BTs launching a campaign into Tau space unsupported would be eradicated down to the last in a couple of months. Tau have more Battlesuits than BTs have ground troops. The millions of FWs, Kroot, Vespid, Drones, etc would overwhelm a single Space Marine chapter. Even as legions they didn't launch campaigns that foolishly outnumbered.

Nice. Now we just need some reference for your claims.
The estimated size of the BT is in the BT codex. Your imagined Tau force is just in your dreams?

As Legions, planets were conquered by companies, accompanied by a Primarch. There is a HH series where you may look that up.

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
Wanting, and being able to, are two different things.

Wanting, being able to, and having the motivation to do so are three different things.

Right now, the Tau Empire are in the pathway of several Ork Waaghs and a Tyranid Hive Fleet.

Getting stuck in serves no purpose when you can have a meatshield.

No, it doesn't. The IoM could crush the Tau, no questions asked. But it can't pull ships and men out of it's infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

Kanluwen wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Space Marines CAN'T use exterminatus. Only Inquisitors, High-Lords, Primarchs, and the Emperor have the authority to do that. And Battle-Barges CAN'T cut through entire fleets of Tau ships. A single Tau Battleship of the Gal'Leath variety is equal to or greater than a Battle Barge.

The hell they can't. Space Marines commit Exterminatus quite often.

In terms of weaponry, maybe the Gal'Leath is equal to or greater than a Battle Barge. In terms of armor?

Hah.

Also, the DGC did NOT end on even terms. The Tau brought a MASSIVE fleet that completely outmanned/outgunned the Tau fleet. They agreed on peace because the Tau didn't want any more death, and the IoM wanted to squash some bugs.

The IoM didn't "want" to squash some bugs. The largest Hive Fleet to hit the Imperium was oncoming. Somehow some smurf hippies hanging around in the backyard just don't seem as critical compared to a race that has devoured entire star systems.

Yes, but they are half the cost. BFG is fun when you have firepower AND numbers. And because of the immense firepower, they can still punch BB into oblivion.

Also, their Demiurg allies have ships with equal armour and stronger shields to BBs.

Also, Kroot warsheres have nearly identical armour at 1/4 the cost.

Also, railguns.

Also, Manta's [are very effective against everything and everyone]. [Mod Edit]

1hadhq wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Brightsword invaded Nimbosa, killed every single living human on the planet,After attacking a company of Space Marines and slaughtering two regiments he was recalled for attracting the IoM'S attention and the IoM sent the templars to eradicate all Tau from nimbosa.

Great idea. Killing civilians and getting your ass handed.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
BTs launching a campaign into Tau space unsupported would be eradicated down to the last in a couple of months. Tau have more Battlesuits than BTs have ground troops. The millions of FWs, Kroot, Vespid, Drones, etc would overwhelm a single Space Marine chapter. Even as legions they didn't launch campaigns that foolishly outnumbered.

Nice. Now we just need some reference for your claims.
The estimated size of the BT is in the BT codex. Your imagined Tau force is just in your dreams?

As Legions, planets were conquered by companies, accompanied by a Primarch. There is a HH series where you may look that up.

Nothing worse than a Tau fan...

1hadhq wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Brightsword invaded Nimbosa, killed every single living human on the planet,After attacking a company of Space Marines and slaughtering two regiments he was recalled for attracting the IoM'S attention and the IoM sent the templars to eradicate all Tau from nimbosa.

Great idea. Killing civilians and getting your ass handed.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
BTs launching a campaign into Tau space unsupported would be eradicated down to the last in a couple of months. Tau have more Battlesuits than BTs have ground troops. The millions of FWs, Kroot, Vespid, Drones, etc would overwhelm a single Space Marine chapter. Even as legions they didn't launch campaigns that foolishly outnumbered.

Nice. Now we just need some reference for your claims.
The estimated size of the BT is in the BT codex. Your imagined Tau force is just in your dreams?

As Legions, planets were conquered by companies, accompanied by a Primarch. There is a HH series where you may look that up.

Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

Actually, no. The Tau called in significant reinforcements, but the fighting was just the Tau stationed on Dal'yth Prime. The PDF.

Kanluwen wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Once again, with the exception of virusbombing the planets ( assuming the templars have enough of the Lifeeater and their fleet actually manages to deploy it's exterminatus class weapons )

Every Space Marine ship can feasibly deploy Exterminatus class weapons. And the Life Eater isn't the only virus the Imperium has. It's just the most effective.

And considering Battle Barges have cut their way through entire Tau fleets before, I'd say odds are pretty high that the Black Templars can manage it what with having the largest fleet of almost any single Space Marine Chapter.

what enables a few thousand Spacemarines to conquer an entire world? They lack numbers, they lack heavy support ( oh look, a few dozen landraiders and perhaps a few hundred Predators..against a world which can, if their production capabilities are similar to 2end WW earth, produce many thousands of tanks each year ), they lack aircraft and most important of all, they cannot replenish their numbers.

Who says the Marines lack aircraft? Thunderhawks are aircraft.

Oh, you mean fighter jets. Well the Tau don't have those either. Their craft are without exception all superheavies.
But I will point you to the Land Speeder Tempest. One man craft, equipped with Typhoon launchers and Assault Cannon.

Marines can cripple a world, they can, if deployed properly, devastate the military infrastructure of a world but, thanks to their low numbers, they can never actually conquer it. That job falls to the massive numbers
of the Imperial Guard.

It's not hard to conquer a world of corpses.

The number of Exterminatus-Virus strains avaiable to the Imperium is not the issue but merely if the Black Templars have the necessary quantity of exterminatus weaponry to actually destroy 100+ planets and
if they get close enough to do so. The Black templars have a large fleet, but the majority of it consists of light cruisers and escorts, with perhaps a dozen battlebarges ( this is speculation, but would make sense unless the chapter has a much higher battlebarge to marine ratio than other chapters, which seems unlikely.). I would find it hard to believe that the entire Tau navy couldn't match that.

Battlebarges are, at least if we go by BFG stats, more or less comparable to the largest Tau Spacecraft ( at least as long as the Custodian has it's full complement of Wardens ). They won't "cut their way trough entire Tau fleets".
Spacemarines lack any means to actually get air superiority, they have nothing which equals the Baracuda or even the Remora Drones. Thunderhawks are heavily armed transports and gunships, not fightercraft.
The Land Speeder Typhoon is, if we go by it's Imperial armour description, not a fighter and more comparable to a modern attack helicopter ( which it matches in speed and firepower ).

So no, unless the Marines win the war in space ( unlikely with perhaps a dozen well armed battlebarges and only strikecruisers/escorts for the rest ) and then manage to bomb everything on the ground into oblivion there will be no "world of corpses" to conquer.

Nerivant wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
Wanting, and being able to, are two different things.

Wanting, being able to, and having the motivation to do so are three different things.

Right now, the Tau Empire are in the pathway of several Ork Waaghs and a Tyranid Hive Fleet.

Getting stuck in serves no purpose when you can have a meatshield.

No, it doesn't. The IoM could crush the Tau, no questions asked. But it can't pull ships and men out of it's infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

The Imperium of Man don't need to pull ships and men out of its infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

I'd suggest you invest in the Deathwatch RPG book. It describes how Exterminatus is carried out on inhabited systems pretty well. The IoM has servitor piloted 'Killships'. They're completely undetectable and sneak up on a world to fire off a planet-killing weapon before exiting the system.

im2randomghgh wrote:Yes, but they are half the cost. BFG is fun when you have firepower AND numbers. And because of the immense firepower, they can still punch BB into oblivion.

Also, their Demiurg allies have ships with equal armour and stronger shields to BBs.

Also, Kroot warspheres have nearly identical armour at 1/4 the cost.

Also, railguns.

So what you're saying is that because of the fact that you can field a ton of them in BFG, the Tau has limitless supplies of this particular class of battleship?

Huh. Unique.

Also, Mantas rape everything in the ass.

I don't think this phrasing was really necessary, but I'll also point out that Mantas in void combat are equivalent to Thunderhawks.

And in atmosphere, they're wallowing targets that required the Tau to pull entire wings of air superiority interceptors and air to ground fighters from other theaters of combat to ensure that they didn't get shot down by ground fired weaponry.

So yeah...there's definitely that.


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im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

Actually, no. The Tau called in significant reinforcements, but the fighting was just the Tau stationed on Dal'yth Prime. The PDF.

So why did the Tau call in "significant reinforcements"?

im2randomghgh wrote:

You forgot to mention the fact that all these Imperial losses were in a fight for a single city.

No. I forgot to mention the tau were in full retreat off that planet.

They hoped to take it back with their fleet. They ignored the warnings of the rogue traders.
The IoM did chose to keep them alive, and didn't unleash the already prepared virus bomb.

So its the other way round.
The IoM refrained from killing Tau just to kill them. They put some value into them as possible roadblock against nids.
But as seen, Tau need IoM, necrons, DE to beat the nids.

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
Wanting, and being able to, are two different things.

Wanting, being able to, and having the motivation to do so are three different things.

Right now, the Tau Empire are in the pathway of several Ork Waaghs and a Tyranid Hive Fleet.

Getting stuck in serves no purpose when you can have a meatshield.

No, it doesn't. The IoM could crush the Tau, no questions asked. But it can't pull ships and men out of it's infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

The Imperium of Man don't need to pull ships and men out of its infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

I'd suggest you invest in the Deathwatch RPG book. It describes how Exterminatus is carried out on inhabited systems pretty well. The IoM has servitor piloted 'Killships'. They're completely undetectable and sneak up on a world to fire off a planet-killing weapon before exiting the system.

Is it wrong to expect a race that has a pretty firm grasp on cloaking technology to have a way of penetrating cloaking and detecting a kill-ship?

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

That was all the military forces of ONE sept. vs 5 marine chapters, 4 Imperial Guard Regiments and a titan legion...

Kanluwen wrote:
So why did the Tau call in "significant reinforcements"?

The reinforcements arrived late.

@1hadHQ, They were evacuating citizens, because unlike the IoM, they CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN LOSSES.

If they HAD unleashed the V-bomb, they superior Tau fleet would have broken them over their knee.

im2randomghgh wrote:


Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Funnily the EC were the smallest legion and I want you to list the lord commanders involved in that campaign.
SO?

KingDeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Once again, with the exception of virusbombing the planets ( assuming the templars have enough of the Lifeeater and their fleet actually manages to deploy it's exterminatus class weapons )

Every Space Marine ship can feasibly deploy Exterminatus class weapons. And the Life Eater isn't the only virus the Imperium has. It's just the most effective.

And considering Battle Barges have cut their way through entire Tau fleets before, I'd say odds are pretty high that the Black Templars can manage it what with having the largest fleet of almost any single Space Marine Chapter.

what enables a few thousand Spacemarines to conquer an entire world? They lack numbers, they lack heavy support ( oh look, a few dozen landraiders and perhaps a few hundred Predators..against a world which can, if their production capabilities are similar to 2end WW earth, produce many thousands of tanks each year ), they lack aircraft and most important of all, they cannot replenish their numbers.

Who says the Marines lack aircraft? Thunderhawks are aircraft.

Oh, you mean fighter jets. Well the Tau don't have those either. Their craft are without exception all superheavies.
But I will point you to the Land Speeder Tempest. One man craft, equipped with Typhoon launchers and Assault Cannon.

Marines can cripple a world, they can, if deployed properly, devastate the military infrastructure of a world but, thanks to their low numbers, they can never actually conquer it. That job falls to the massive numbers
of the Imperial Guard.

It's not hard to conquer a world of corpses.

The number of Exterminatus-Virus strains avaiable to the Imperium is not the issue but merely if the Black Templars have the necessary quantity of exterminatus weaponry to actually destroy 100+ planets and
if they get close enough to do so. The Black templars have a large fleet, but the majority of it consists of light cruisers and escorts, with perhaps a dozen battlebarges ( this is speculation, but would make sense unless the chapter has a much higher battlebarge to marine ratio than other chapters, which seems unlikely.). I would find it hard to believe that the entire Tau navy couldn't match that.

To suggest that the entire Tau navy would be in a single place at a single time is silly.

It takes one weakness in a Tau sector's defenses for the Black Templars to theoretically kick the door down. If the Black Templars were to throw their entire fleet against each sector one at a time, it would be entirely feasible. It's not like the Tau have instantaneous communication capabilities. They have to send ships between systems to pass communiques.

Battlebarges are, at least if we go by BFG stats, more or less comparable to the largest Tau Spacecraft ( at least as long as the Custodian has it's full complement of Wardens ). They won't "cut their way trough entire Tau fleets".

A standard sized Tau fleet? The hell they won't cut their way through the entirety of it.

Spacemarines lack any means to actually get air superiority, they have nothing which equals the Baracuda or even the Remora Drones.

Actually they really don't. It's called bombarding the airfields from orbit.

Nothing says air superiority like your opponent never getting airborne

This is where one of the biggest problems with these scenarios comes up. The goal of Exterminatus isn't to get boots on the ground or engage in air superiority. It's the complete and utter destruction of life in an area.

Thunderhawks are heavily armed transports and gunships, not fightercraft.

Wrong. They were originally introduced as a fighter for space combat to replace the aging Stormbird design. That they're used as gunships and 'heavily armed transports' now is really irrelevant.

But I will remind you that Thunderhawks are able to bring down Warhound Titans. The Tau had to employ Mantas to do that.

The Land Speeder Typhoon is, if we go by it's Imperial armour description, not a fighter and more comparable to a modern attack helicopter ( which it matches in speed and firepower ).

The Land Speeder TEMPEST is a fighter.

The Typhoon is more comparable to a modern attack helicopter, yes.
The Tempest is not.


This is the Tempest. It's uparmored and its role is to provide aerial cover(i.e. engaging aerial threats) to Marine formations.

So no, unless the Marines win the war in space ( unlikely with perhaps a dozen well armed battlebarges and only strikecruisers/escorts for the rest ) and then manage to bomb everything on the ground into oblivion there will be no "world of corpses" to conquer.

I think you really need to figure out how Exterminatus works.

You don't "bomb everything on the ground into oblivion". It's three or four bombs, deployed at once, and then you get the feth out of there in many cases.

You're also overestimating how much of the Tau fleet is able to convene in a location at once. Which is actually a boon for the Black Templars if the entire Tau Air Caste were to defend one single world.

Dal'yth Sept is not a major military sept either. The discription for them is 'a cosmopolitan and trader-friendly Sept'.

VoxDei wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

That was all the military forces of ONE sept. vs 5 marine chapters, 4 Imperial Guard Regiments and a titan legion...

Elements of 5 Marine Chapters does not equal 5 Marine Chapters.

There was some 90 Marines involved in the biggest battle of the Damocles Gulf Crusade.

90 Marines.

Brother Coa wrote:
Why USA don't crush Cuba? They must be too weak and badly organised to do that.

Because we're not at war with Cuba? Who'd buy our junk car parts from the 1950s if Cuba wasn't around?




Sorry, go back to your regularly scheduled Tau hate.

I like the Tau, I like the BT... but to say that the Tau could hold off the full weight of the BT for any amount of time is ludicrous. Yes, they would suffer losses, but it is well known that a group of less than 100 can conquer systems (As is implied in the Hellsreach book). The BT are known for doing exactly this, wiping out entire sectors. If it was possible for them to muster their full weight with mecanicum support, the Tau would fall. It's simple, as others in this thread have said, there are larger threats out there. The Nid are coming, and the Templar are far too spread out.

It's not even really 'Tau hate'. It's just correcting misconceived notions of the strength of the Tau Empire.

VoxDei wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Actually, it took all of the Emperor's Children to defeat the Laer. Just sayin'

Actually, it took all of Tau military forces to stop Damocles forces - a manor crusade.

That was all the military forces of ONE sept. vs 5 marine chapters, 4 Imperial Guard Regiments and a titan legion...

it was 5 marine companies, not even a full chapter.

4 IG regiments is NOT alot of guys.

and there were less then 10 titans. that isn't a Legion by any means, where they often deploy upwards of 50-100 Titans at once.

agnosto wrote:
Sorry, go back to your regularly scheduled Tau hate.

It's not Tau hate, it's just people saying that Tau Empire can conquer Imperium of Man.

We are just trying to implement how impossible that is. And to implement how fragile Tau Empire is against not only Imperium - but evenyone else....

im2randomghgh wrote: They were evacuating citizens, because unlike the IoM, they CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN LOSSES.

If they HAD unleashed the V-bomb, they superior Tau fleet would have broken them over their knee.

See the Imperium also cares to make civilian losses as high as possible, like the Tau who feed their opponents to their "birds"...

Secondly, the virus bomb was already moving towards the surface and the tau fleet never able to intercept.
Only autodestruct saved them.

Would a example of life eater virus application teach the Tau a few things about the dedication in this galaxy to get one killed for sure?

Kanluwen wrote:It's not even really 'Tau hate'. It's just correcting misconceived notions of the strength of the Tau Empire.

I wish I could put half as much emotion and work into my actual job as you do into a fictional universe.


Let's not forget plot armor. Seriously, GW set themselves up for this with the way the introduced the Tau empire but I'll never understand how people actually get butt-hurt about this stuff. It's a game or a book or whatever, go mow your yard, have a beer and take a breath (not aimed at you in particular).


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Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:
Sorry, go back to your regularly scheduled Tau hate.

It's not Tau hate, it's just people saying that Tau Empire can conquer Imperium of Man.

We are just trying to implement how impossible that is. And to implement how fragile Tau Empire is against not only Imperium - but evenyone else....

I just read through the whole thread and never saw anyone even mention that the Tau Empire could conquer the IoM. It seems the main bone of contention here is exactly what amount of force it would take for the IoM to squash the Tau and their allies.

Nerivant wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
Wanting, and being able to, are two different things.

Wanting, being able to, and having the motivation to do so are three different things.

Right now, the Tau Empire are in the pathway of several Ork Waaghs and a Tyranid Hive Fleet.

Getting stuck in serves no purpose when you can have a meatshield.

No, it doesn't. The IoM could crush the Tau, no questions asked. But it can't pull ships and men out of it's infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

The Imperium of Man don't need to pull ships and men out of its infinite other engagements in a scale large enough to destroy the Tau.

I'd suggest you invest in the Deathwatch RPG book. It describes how Exterminatus is carried out on inhabited systems pretty well. The IoM has servitor piloted 'Killships'. They're completely undetectable and sneak up on a world to fire off a planet-killing weapon before exiting the system.

Is it wrong to expect a race that has a pretty firm grasp on cloaking technology to have a way of penetrating cloaking and detecting a kill-ship?

Land cloaking and space cloaking use different forms of cloaking. The stealth suits do something like bending light or having a form that reflects radio waves. In space, you are stealthy by containing your heat and other emissions. The tau might not know anything about cloaking in space. (Space might also work different in 40k. I am just guessing here.)

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
So why did the Tau call in "significant reinforcements"?

The reinforcements arrived late.

@1hadHQ, They were evacuating citizens, because unlike the IoM, they CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN LOSSES.

If they HAD unleashed the V-bomb, they superior Tau fleet would have broken them over their knee.

The tau didn't have a strong fleet back then. It's not till latter that they start making the big ships.


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I have come to a conclusion. This makes no sense. I mean honestly. One place says the IoM won every battle with out braking a sweat. One place says that the tau can one shot tanks and titans. I don't think GW has canon of proper fluidity to actually answer this question. That doesn't mean we can't have fun talking about who can beat up who. Just that we should focus on the fun rather then trying to prove one side.

agnosto wrote:
I wish I could put half as much emotion and work into my actual job as you do into a fictional universe.

Let's not forget plot armor. Seriously, GW set themselves up for this with the way the introduced the Tau empire but I'll never understand how people actually get butt-hurt about this stuff. It's a game or a book or whatever, go mow your yard, have a beer and take a breath (not aimed at you in particular).

It's that just 40k is awesome and our reality suck balls...

I have 21 year, I survived 2 major wars, 2'nd biggest inflation on a planet and living in state that is more concerned about gay parade than negative birthrate of our people ( 30.000 more dies than get born every year ) and who is more concern of what Europe think about us than doing something to help the people. And now you tell me not to read to much 40k books...

Semi-unrelated, Tau Manta=the largest model GW has ever produced. It is basically a flying fortresses that swats everything it sees out of the way. It can fire upwards of 50 shots per turn.

It is almost a meter across.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tau/TAU-AIRCRAFT/TAU-MANTA.html

And for all you who say this isn't Tau hate, go back and re-read everything Kanluwen has written.

agnosto wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not even really 'Tau hate'. It's just correcting misconceived notions of the strength of the Tau Empire.

I wish I could put half as much emotion and work into my actual job as you do into a fictional universe.

I just wish I could find an actual full-time job that doesn't involve a paper hat right now. Trade you?

Let's not forget plot armor. Seriously, GW set themselves up for this with the way the introduced the Tau empire but I'll never understand how people actually get butt-hurt about this stuff. It's a game or a book or whatever, go mow your yard, have a beer and take a breath (not aimed at you in particular).

The way the Tau Empire was introduced isn't really an issue. It was pretty clear that they had a kind of 'divine protection', what with Warp Storms magically appearing to prevent them from being 'purged' for Imperial settlers.

The issue is this misconception that the Damocles Gulf Crusade was really the Imperium 'trying' to purge the Tau. It was going off of intel from the first time the Tau were encountered and cataloged.

To give a comparison: it's like if we were to go and clearcut the rain forests in Brazil and those tribes we've spotted with aerial surveillance that have had no contact with modern civilization?
It would be like if they came out fighting us with giant robots and lasers.

Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:
Sorry, go back to your regularly scheduled Tau hate.

It's not Tau hate, it's just people saying that Tau Empire can conquer Imperium of Man.

We are just trying to implement how impossible that is. And to implement how fragile Tau Empire is against not only Imperium - but evenyone else....

I just read through the whole thread and never saw anyone even mention that the Tau Empire could conquer the IoM. It seems the main bone of contention here is exactly what amount of force it would take for the IoM to squash the Tau and their allies.

Well that and that the Imperium hasn't really tried.


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im2randomghgh wrote:Semi-unrelated, Tau Manta=the largest model GW has ever produced. It is basically a flying fortresses that swats everything it sees out of the way. It can fire upwards of 50 shots per turn.

It is almost a meter across.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tau/TAU-AIRCRAFT/TAU-MANTA.html

And for all you who say this isn't Tau hate, go back and re-read everything Kanluwen has written.

Hey now. Not nice.

I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army.

Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:
I wish I could put half as much emotion and work into my actual job as you do into a fictional universe.

Let's not forget plot armor. Seriously, GW set themselves up for this with the way the introduced the Tau empire but I'll never understand how people actually get butt-hurt about this stuff. It's a game or a book or whatever, go mow your yard, have a beer and take a breath (not aimed at you in particular).

It's that just 40k is awesome and our reality suck balls...

I have 21 year, I survived 2 major wars, 2'nd biggest inflation on a planet and living in state that is more concerned about gay parade than negative birthrate of our people ( 30.000 more dies than get born every year ) and who is more concern of what Europe think about us than doing something to help the people. And now you tell me not to read to much 40k books...

Well what with the world's overpopulation and you guys already having 11x our population, a decrease in population isn't such a bad thing...not saying I am going to go around killing stuff, just saying there are two sides to it.

Anyways, I think we should put this conversation on pause until we see a 5ed Tau book.

Never! Do not suffer the Alien to live! For the Emperor! *Chainsaws rev in background*