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Necrons as they are now HAVE to spam somewhat, as you need another necron of the same type nearby to WBB, and bringing back a wiped unit is only possible if you have a second unit of the same thing.

That and Necrons only have about 10 units anyway

Kurgash wrote:Looks like BoK's site traffic was down this month...

Yeah...traffic so down for all those Internet ads I am trying to get clicks for...

Oh wait, I have no ads. Damn my plans foiled again!

Though I do love all the speculation on motive.

As for the rumor itself image if it is one shot, 6" inches, ap - str 2? Wielded by a model that you could easily kill at range? How OP really is that?

Manchu wrote:Oh I dunno, I think you have to be pretty primed up with anti-GW-juice to misremember all of the rumors before this one that have turned out to be tru-ish and yet not broken anything because, as it turns out, the rules aren't as poorly written as (someone who goes on the internet to insist that they are total gak) might have us believe.

You’ll note that at no point did I say it was ‘broken’. I said it was ‘crazy bull gak’. There’s a difference.

Deep Striking Land Raiders? No one does that because it’s not a very useful thing to do. It’s still crazy bull gak.
Grey Knights leading full units of Daemonhosts? No one does that because Daemonhosts are crap. It’s still crazy bull gak.
Most of the stuff Ward Does? Not broken, but still mostly crazy bull gak (plasma siphon, psychic Rhinos, Sanguinor, etc.)

I mean I actually like the idea of some sort of 'arc lightning cannon' that chains between people. It's a nifty idea from a fluff perspective.

But nice attempt to paint me as someone who just comes here to complain Worglock... sorry, Manchu. How very ‘polite’ of you, Mr. Mod.

tastytaste wrote:As for the rumor itself image if it is one shot, 6" inches, ap - str 2? Wielded by a model that you could easily kill at range?

Ah, so it's for one of the C'Tan elites? Or the new Walker?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I doubt that the C'tan would be totally removed. I agree that it is likely we will see them as an elite choice.

That I would not like to see. They are gods. They deserve better than that. Now if it were something like an aspect of them (you know, like how bloodletters are an aspect of khorne) then maybe.

Though really, they should be kept in the fluff. Fielding a god is a bit...strange.

From what I recall, the C'tan are supposed to be removed. However, one elite choice is able to be infused with power of the C'tan effectively making them avatars of which ever Stargod you decide on.

I remember when the rumors came out about the Grey Knights possessing units of 2++ invulnerable saves and all sorts of other sillyness. This reminds me of those rumors; A hint of truth without a lot of context.

I have resigned myself to just waiting until the book shows up in my LGS before I get any comprehensive and accurate information.

The days of playtesting a leaked codex months in advance seem long behind us now.

My guess is this is a heavy version of whatever new weapon is included. Most likely tank mounted. That kind of firepower on non tank units, or widely available, would be incredibly silly.

Well, that settles it. Saving for that necron army. (Fall of Damnos is helping).

More of what the models seem like they are going to look like. I hope they expand on the Matrix(the robots)/ Terminator theme.

I’m going to say that this rumour is sounds plausible given how accurate the other pre-codex information was posted on Dakka. I’m also going to agree with H.B.M.C. in that this is classic Matt Ward craziness. This also reinforces another opinion of mine that there needs to be some sort of template regarding rules design and what sort of effects is allowed (at the moment Matt Ward does whatever he wants and undercosts it).

The wording seems like it would make or break this. If the necron player gets to choose the target of the attack then it would be pretty OP in my opinion (as it would allow the player to single out unit sergeants and special weapon troopers). I’m guessing that rather than target like units in the whole army, it might only affect units with X” of the attack (or only models within the unit). I don’t see this being an effective anti-spam tool as depending on how cheap it is, necron players will probably spam it (making it the “meltagun of necrons”).

Now the question is whether this shooting ability is someone available to run of the mill necron squads or limited only to elites/HQs/SCs.

It's going to be OP against certain armies anyway. Tau and Tyranids in particular, which have large horde units without varied weapons to take the edge off. Hit a unit of Ork Boyz? Well, the Nob and variant weapons will take a few hits out. Hit a Hormagaunt unit? Boom, 30 hits.

Wait wait wait. You guys are looking at this ALL wrong. All optimistically if you will. You need to think of it like this. If the necron shooter misses, then he misses ALL the troops of the same type. There, doesn't that make it all better!?!?!

Sisters don't have much hope against it either. They don't have many choices of how to arm/equip their troops.

In other news, this ability clearly makes it Deathwing's time to shine!

Go my wound allocation shenaniganed Terminators, go!

since i play against orks, blood angels, imperial guard and tau where i live, this new little toy sounds quite fun for my necron army. now if only the necrons don't get a transport but get teleportation of some sort... heres to hoping and wishlisting.

MightyGodzilla wrote:Wait wait wait. You guys are looking at this ALL wrong. All optimistically if you will. You need to think of it like this. If the necron shooter misses, then he misses ALL the troops of the same type. There, doesn't that make it all better!?!?!

No, because it's still a stupid rule that shouldn't exist. 40k would be a worse game for its existence.

AlexHolker wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:Wait wait wait. You guys are looking at this ALL wrong. All optimistically if you will. You need to think of it like this. If the necron shooter misses, then he misses ALL the troops of the same type. There, doesn't that make it all better!?!?!

No, because it's still a stupid rule that shouldn't exist. 40k would be a worse game for its existence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Several of the different types of rumors floating around indicate that the necron codex is going to try to unleash a slew of new type of attacks and abilities (their statlines should all be unique roughly). As posted above by the originator of this rumor this ability is short ranged and str 2. There are very few competitive armies out there that are really hurt by this. A standard 1850 list probably at most runs 20 of one type of model. (outliers like termagaunts/ boys notwithstanding) That is on average ~6 wounds against them, 2 fails (MEQ). A long fang squad can and will do worse throughout the course of the game.

...wait until the book comes out before you all lose oxygen frothing at the mouth.

If this Rumor is true then Orks and IG player will just be hosed. I have a feeling this rumor can not be true, heck I have a better chance of re growing my legs.

tree667 wrote:If this Rumor is true then Orks and IG player will just be hosed. I have a feeling this rumor can not be true, heck I have a better chance of re growing my legs.

4 squads of melta vets would be 12 melta guns with 4 of them hurt and 3 or so failing saves attached to a model that shouldnt last 3 minutes against the guard.

Sounds overpowered to me, is you are fighting against mass unit armies like orks, imperial guard and 'nids, you could wipe out half an army in just 1 round if you're lucky enough.
This cannot be true.

These rumors seem very disjointed. They might have some basis in fact, as in, the leaker got a quick glimpse and half remembers the rumor, than told it to someone who relayed it to someone else.
I do know that some of the new codex's have gotten some ridiculous stuff lately. I'm getting to the point where when I play certain games with my ork army, I just chalk up the game as a loss first turn. I almost don't want to play certain armies at all. If Necrons get anything close to this rule, if it is usable way to instantly neutralize hoard armies, I will flat out concede the game against a necron player with that in his army.

We really need to see the profile for this weapon because if the weapon has a high rate of fire (like a psilencer or assault cannon) than a squad packing a bunch of these could do some serious, game breaking damage.

FINALLY A REASON TO BUILD MY NECRONS! YAY! Now to just escape from work....

so if we take this rumor and other rumors that have come up, we are left with the following strategy for Necrons:

1. Rush up scarabs at metal boxes and have them hit to reduce the armor
2. Shoot the metal boxes until the units are out on the table or the metal box is gone
3. If there are units, shoot them. On hit, injure all units with like pieces that are still inside their metal boxes
4. Rush scarabs at next metal box and continue to attack both the leftovers from the original metal box, and the new metal box
5. ???
6. Profit

once this has been established, the following will result for people playing against Necrons:

1. Laugh about Matt Ward ruining Necron fluff. If Necron player doesn't give up, continue
2. Shoot and Melee scarabs and don't allow them near metal boxes
3. Laugh as Necrons shoot unreduced armor of metal boxes
4. Laugh as the Necrons are now in melee
5. ???
6. Profit

Basically even with the rumors sounding as broken as people make them out to be, it very much looks like not much will change, in either how they fight, or how you fight against them, just with some extra worry of scarabs and being shot at, but not by much. Good thing for those metal boxes, huh? (for those of you who may not get it, metal boxes are vehicles.)

tastytaste wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Looks like BoK's site traffic was down this month...

Yeah...traffic so down for all those Internet ads I am trying to get clicks for...

Oh wait, I have no ads. Damn my plans foiled again!

Though I do love all the speculation on motive.

As for the rumor itself image if it is one shot, 6" inches, ap - str 2? Wielded by a model that you could easily kill at range? How OP really is that?

So what, you have no ads, so you try to get people to constantly refresh your site to see secret updates.... for attention?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this refers to the 'tesla' weapons we've heard about. Depending on strength, ap, range, point cost and what units can use this weapon it does sound really powerful. Then again it could be a weapon that only the monolith can use which isn't terrible or it could be something that every unit has access to. It depends in what the rest of the codex says. Either way I eagerly save money and anticipate this release.

Brother SRM wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

This is why I'm 100% positive this rumor is bubkis.

Yes right, that's why I don't understand why this is being discussed seriously. There is absolutely no way a rule, if it to actually be represented like that, could be balanced on the tabletop. And for all his slightly underwhelming (or perhaps overwhelming would be a better word) background-writing efforts, at least the majority of Matt Ward's rules have been quite well balanced.

As an aside has anybody test-rolled the rumors for Tesla weapons (all to-hit rolls of '6' add 2 extra hits)? I have many times and on average get just as many hits (usually more) than shots fired, which tells me it's a weapon on par with the punisher cannon or fleshborer hive, splinter carbines, or devourers, aka a high ROF weapon with (probably) low strength and (probably) crappy AP. I have no authority or info on the codex but if it's like i think it will be stuff like this won't be game breaking. Necrons are just going to be a torrent-of-fire army that can withstand assault way better than Tau.

I'd like to see our anti-transport options...It looks like all we'll have are scarabs (which are unreliable vs fast skimmers) and destroyers/heavy destroyers. Hey tastytaste, You got anything for us on anti-transports? I'd even follow a link to BoK if there was info there....

Good god really? It's far more likely that it will be something like the second version, low Strength, no ap and apparently short ranged.
Its one of the Tesla Weapons for anti-horde in the competative environment with all the Parking Lot, Paladin spam etc Tesla Weapons will likely see the least use in tournies and such where it will likely be Ray (a Melta type weapon) spam with Necrons.

Not to mention this would be the BIG Tesla Weapon most likely on a HS choice with similar less effective versions like the existing flux arc where for each to hit you actually scored d6 wounds or the even lesser version where on 6s to hit you score 2 wounds instead of one.

Also and understand that I actually find the manner that BoK posts are written to be quite obnoxious, this aside they have been pretty damn accurate with rescent stuff add to this that all the info badtaste posted about over previous months directly supported what yakface posted which was quite comprehensive and yakface has a solid rep......

This rumor is a bit wrong.

It is a close combat attack for a named character.

It does apparently target identical models, though.